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2006 Championship Divisions
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Inspired by last years thread ;) Archimedes Curie Galileo Newton 1 4 9 11 16 20 22 25 27 33 38 40 45 47 48 49 59 60 65 66 67 69 70 71 74 79 85 86 87 88 93 108 111 118 120 121 122 125 126 128 135 148 151 155 159 166 168 173 174 175 176 179 180 190 191 192 195 201 203 204 207 211 217 223 224 226 228 231 233 234 236 237 247 254 269 279 292 295 302 304 308 312 322 326 330 337 340 341 343 345 346 348 357 358 359 365 371 375 378 386 395 397 401 405 406 418 435 440 444 447 461 462 468 469 476 486 494 499 503 519 525 527 540 546 555 563 573 585 610 614 618 647 650 662 665 686 714 716 752 768 803 809 815 816 830 836 842 846 862 868 869 888 896 900 922 928 945 967 971 973 980 989 999 1002 1023 1024 1033 1038 1057 1089 1102 1103 1114 1126 1138 1187 1188 1250 1251 1262 1272 1280 1289 1302 1323 1324 1350 1366 1367 1368 1379 1394 1402 1403 1422 1425 1446 1448 1450 1452 1481 1482 1492 1502 1503 1506 1507 1508 1511 1523 1538 1541 1549 1560 1563 1567 1592 1595 1604 1616 1617 1626 1646 1654 1675 1680 |
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I really do hope they get creative this year and do some sort of randomization. Bracket teams together by years participating in FIRST, then assign an equal amount to each one of the four divisions. All random assignments though.
I really dont like that we are basically guaranteed to not participate against the likes of RUSH or BUZZ or 22 or 20. |
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I'll raise my hand as the first to agree with Corey. We've only been to Nationals twice, but it seems we had a bunch of the same teams in our division each time. Maybe divisions could be arranged by a point system?
A regional participation gets you 1 point. Being one of the Top 8 teams is 2 points. Regional finalist is 3 points. Regional Winner is 5 points. After all points are distributed, teams could be sorted the same way they are now, starting with the top ranked team and going down the list, assigned each team the next division. (In case of a tie in points, teams can be sorted by team number, or randomly.) This system would assure every division is fun to watch and compete in. |
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FIRST aint changing it for nuthin'. It aint broke so they aint fixin' it. |
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I was hoping for a straight up Random drawling of divisions
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Id agree with you there, but you would get complaints saying that some divisions were walkovers, and some were impossible...basically, not enough parity.
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How about these divisions... 1 20 9 11 4 59 22 49 16 122 38 74 25 125 70 86 27 148 120 87 33 166 151 128 40 174 168 155 45 201 203 159 47 211 207 192 48 224 228 204 60 226 247 223 65 295 302 231 66 337 308 304 67 345 340 326 69 375 346 341 71 397 359 348 79 405 378 365 85 406 401 371 88 440 418 386 93 444 447 405 108 468 462 435 111 486 499 461 118 519 527 476 121 525 546 540 126 555 563 573 135 610 614 585 173 647 662 618 175 650 716 665 176 714 768 686 179 803 809 752 180 830 836 815 190 846 868 816 191 862 926 842 195 945 967 869 217 1002 971 888 233 1033 1023 971 234 1038 1057 999 236 1103 1102 1024 237 1187 1138 1089 254 1289 1188 1126 269 1302 1323 1250 279 1366 1350 1324 292 1394 1367 1368 312 1422 1402 1379 322 1425 1446 1403 330 1452 1450 1448 343 1502 1481 1482 357 1507 1511 1492 358 1508 1538 1506 395 1541 1549 1523 469 1563 1592 1560 494 1567 1617 1595 503 1616 1675 1604 980 1654 1685 1626 1114 1262 1272 1280 1251 973 1646 989 1503 896 900 922 1680 |
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No way, Jose. Needs to be more balanced than that. |
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I think you should rename those divisions to
IRI Curie Galileo Newton |
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Ive made the corrections to the list on the first page
980s back in Archimedes ;) |
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As long as you've left out 492, your list is wrong. :)
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I just looked at the list of registered teams for the event. How do you check which division you're in? or did you just take them in numerical order and sort them?
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Divisions aren't officially released till the week before Atlanta. But this sorting is the way that it has been done for the past couple years.
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Yeah...in the revision archemedes is absolutely stacked...the original divisions were pretty even, but i'd give the toughest nod to newton...i hope they randomize it, but I know they won't
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What if they randomize it within each block of 100 team numbers? Put teams 1-100 in a "box" and "draw" them out. Then do the same for 101-200, 201-300, etc. It could easily be computerized.
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archmeides was stacked, the division championships would be tougher than Einstein.
What if it worked out like A C G N 1 9 16 22 4 11 20 25 27 38 45 48 33 40 47 49 59 65 67 70 60 66 69 71 74 85 87 93 79 86 88 108 ect. ect. Basically 2 teams go to Archimedes, then 2 to Curie, then 2 to Galileo and then 2 to Newton. This way you'd get to see some teams that are side by side without completely stacking the competition like Karthik. (notice how he had all the Niagra FIRST teams in the same division) |
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So here's the divisions before the week 1 regionals begin.
230 teams 1 4 9 11 16 20 22 25 27 33 38 40 45 47 48 49 59 60 65 66 67 69 70 71 74 79 85 86 87 88 93 100 108 111 118 120 121 122 125 126 128 135 138 148 151 155 159 166 168 173 174 175 176 179 180 190 191 192 195 201 203 204 207 211 217 223 224 226 228 231 233 234 236 237 247 254 269 279 292 295 302 304 308 312 322 326 330 337 340 341 343 345 346 348 357 358 359 365 371 375 378 386 395 397 401 405 406 418 435 440 444 447 461 462 468 469 476 486 494 499 503 519 525 527 540 546 555 563 573 585 610 614 618 647 650 662 665 686 714 716 752 768 803 809 815 816 830 836 842 846 862 868 869 888 896 900 922 928 945 967 971 973 980 989 999 1002 1014 1023 1024 1033 1038 1057 1089 1102 1103 1114 1126 1138 1187 1188 1250 1251 1262 1272 1280 1289 1302 1323 1324 1350 1366 1367 1368 1379 1394 1402 1403 1422 1425 1446 1448 1450 1452 1481 1482 1492 1502 1503 1506 1507 1508 1511 1523 1538 1541 1549 1560 1563 1567 1592 1595 1604 1616 1617 1626 1646 1654 1675 1680 1685 |
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That actually looks pretty balanced as of now
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Here are the division before week 2 begins:
245 teams 1 4 9 11 16 20 22 25 27 33 38 40 45 47 48 49 59 60 65 66 67 69 70 71 74 75 79 85 86 87 88 93 100 108 111 118 120 121 122 125 126 128 135 138 148 151 155 159 166 168 173 174 175 176 179 180 190 191 192 195 201 203 204 207 211 217 223 224 226 228 231 233 234 236 237 247 254 269 279 292 295 302 304 308 312 322 326 330 337 340 341 343 345 346 348 357 358 359 365 371 375 378 384 386 395 397 401 405 406 418 435 440 444 447 461 462 468 469 476 486 492 494 499 503 519 525 527 540 546 555 563 573 585 610 614 618 647 650 662 665 686 714 716 752 753 768 803 809 815 816 830 836 842 846 862 868 869 888 896 900 922 928 945 967 971 973 980 989 999 1002 1014 1023 1024 1033 1038 1057 1089 1102 1103 1114 1124 1126 1138 1187 1188 1250 1251 1262 1272 1276 1279 1280 1289 1302 1323 1324 1350 1366 1367 1368 1379 1390 1394 1402 1403 1422 1425 1446 1448 1450 1452 1481 1482 1492 1502 1503 1506 1507 1508 1511 1519 1523 1538 1539 1541 1547 1549 1560 1563 1567 1592 1595 1598 1604 1610 1616 1617 1626 1646 1654 1675 1680 1685 1778 1885 |
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This is how i see them in order of Toughness
1. Newton 2. (Tie) Curie 2. Archimedes 4. Galileo But who knows about that, it's the beginning of week 2 and it's Atlanta, anything can happen. |
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Any updates form this weeks events?
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That fourth division looks pretty stacked...granted they all do, but the fourth one (whichever it's named) is going to be intense.
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Big shocker there ;) Good luck in Vegas |
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How do you come up with the divisons and how each team is rank for it.
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Archimedies Galileo Curie Newton 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 etc. So thats how were coming up with these divisions ;) |
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someone please tell me who its so hard to pull 1-4 out of a hat for each team and set a limit for x amount of teams per division??? how long would it take to write a VB or java program that did that??? an hour or two!?!?
GET UN LAZY FIRST!!! =D * i mean hell ill make the app!!! * |
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honestly its you make a program that says give # 1 2 3 4 --> XXX teams that are competeting in nationals an a b c or d in random order and once this many # of a's hits xx then stop giving out that letter... not hard... not random... and it would work for endless seasons to come since its randomly generated just like thier match lists... =D... easy... so yes it would be meaningful and no it wouldnt over complicate things... i think i answered everything =D |
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All they care about is getting the divisions out not appeasing the whims of some teams to work with other teams ( if it's really that big a deal dig deep in your pockets and go get in whatever regional they're in). FIRST has no reason to change the system so they won't. It's not even worth argueing about. |
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hey at least this way you can kinda scout nationals
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I still want them to bring back the 02 style of the 5 team chunks. It allowed me to find out about other teams plus with this format you do end up with the same teams year after year.
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Archimedes Curie Galileo Newton
A C G N 1 4 9 11 16 20 22 25 27 33 38 40 45 47 48 49 59 60 65 66 67 69 70 71 74 75 79 85 86 87 88 93 100 108 111 118 120 121 122 125 126 128 133 135 138 148 151 155 159 166 168 173 174 175 176 177 179 180 190 191 192 195 201 203 204 207 211 217 223 224 226 228 229 231 233 234 236 237 247 254 269 279 292 295 302 304 308 312 322 326 330 337 340 341 343 346 348 357 358 359 365 371 375 378 384 386 395 397 401 405 406 418 435 440 444 447 461 462 468 469 476 486 492 494 499 503 519 525 527 540 546 547 555 563 573 585 610 614 618 647 650 662 665 686 714 716 752 753 768 803 809 815 816 830 836 842 846 862 868 869 888 896 900 922 928 945 967 971 973 980 999 1002 1014 1023 1024 1033 1038 1057 1089 1102 1103 1114 1124 1126 1138 1187 1188 1250 1251 1262 1272 1276 1279 1280 1289 1302 1323 1324 1350 1366 1367 1368 1379 1390 1394 1402 1403 1422 1425 1446 1448 1450 1452 1481 1482 1492 1502 1503 1506 1507 1508 1511 1519 1523 1538 1539 1541 1547 1549 1560 1563 1567 1592 1595 1598 1604 1610 1616 1617 1626 1646 1649 1654 1675 1680 1685 1718 1723 1743 1778 1807 1885 |
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that idea scares me.....
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This might involve a little work but...
How about ranking every team by the average amount of points they have scored each match they have played. In the case of a tie use something like number of wins or the flip of a coin to break the tie. Then the highest ranked team by this process goes to Archimedes, the second to Curie, the third to Galileo, the fourth to Newton, the fifth to Archimedes again, etc. This ensures that each division is about equal (more equal than the current method), and ensures that a different assortment of teams are in each division, each year. |
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Is it just me or are the teams currently listed in a bit of a random order on the FIRST site?
http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index...list&event=CMP A division sort from that list may fix the issue of teams never getting to see the three teams on either side of them. Though Murphy may see it as the perfect opporutunity - fixing one problem will cause three new ones. ~Allison |
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Here is how the order would look: 47 254 16 175 365 4 70 406 190 842 148 191 118 67 341 151 126 540 330 45 846 610 665 69 204 815 397 207 809 503 519 525 211 226 928 1124 971 166 1390 87 686 1302 348 1262 1452 9 862 1368 418 1448 1057 585 25 121 1038 33 816 494 74 1114 66 79 217 499 716 563 71 27 128 1 312 322 1350 233 555 340 292 469 180 358 1089 967 111 1002 195 155 173 1567 48 868 269 1188 85 302 527 1251 1503 830 1507 1511 337 159 573 1126 203 1549 1403 375 237 980 88 236 1502 546 343 174 1604 108 93 1560 49 234 1024 38 279 486 59 1538 1450 1541 65 435 1482 1272 1675 614 1280 1523 179 461 1446 100 768 378 304 228 395 1626 247 447 922 86 386 714 224 1033 476 192 135 20 1595 60 346 1680 1506 803 11 650 1250 231 176 1402 945 999 647 223 359 357 1508 900 1492 662 1654 618 888 836 22 1379 1023 1323 1138 1685 326 440 444 1592 168 122 973 401 1289 308 40 1481 371 1646 295 869 468 125 120 462 405 1102 1394 1425 201 1366 1324 1563 1617 752 896 1187 1367 1616 1422 138 1539 1014 1922 1279 1598 75 1610 384 753 1885 492 1547 1778 1276 1519 133 1807 1714 1718 547 1743 1723 1727 177 229 989 |
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Now, THAT, is pretty random! Why wouldn't that work?
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Here is the listing before week 4 regionals begin.
272 teams: 1 4 9 11 16 20 22 25 27 38 40 45 47 48 49 59 60 65 66 67 69 70 71 74 75 79 85 86 87 88 93 100 108 111 118 120 121 122 125 126 128 133 135 138 148 151 155 159 166 168 173 174 175 176 177 179 180 184 190 191 192 195 201 203 204 207 211 217 223 224 226 228 229 231 233 234 236 237 247 254 269 279 280 292 295 302 304 308 312 322 326 330 337 340 341 343 346 348 357 358 359 365 371 375 378 384 386 395 401 405 406 418 435 440 444 447 462 468 469 476 486 488 492 494 499 503 519 525 527 540 546 547 555 563 573 581 585 610 612 614 618 647 650 662 665 686 714 716 752 753 766 768 803 809 815 816 830 836 842 846 862 868 869 888 896 900 922 928 945 967 971 973 980 989 999 1002 1014 1023 1024 1033 1038 1057 1089 1102 1103 1114 1124 1126 1138 1187 1188 1241 1250 1251 1262 1272 1276 1279 1280 1289 1302 1323 1324 1350 1366 1367 1368 1379 1390 1394 1402 1403 1414 1422 1425 1448 1450 1452 1481 1492 1502 1503 1506 1507 1508 1511 1519 1523 1538 1539 1541 1547 1549 1560 1563 1567 1592 1595 1598 1604 1610 1616 1617 1626 1629 1646 1649 1654 1675 1680 1685 1700 1714 1718 1719 1723 1727 1743 1746 1756 1778 1807 1810 1868 1885 1887 1922 1941 |
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But aside from that, I really don't mind how FIRST does the selections for divisions. I have never really seen a need for splitting up the divisions further and doing more complicated selections. But as someone said above, they could just do it as when teams sign up. |
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I like the current split because it puts us in Galileo. We like Galileo. See 2001 and 2004 if you don't understand. :D
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What do you think about having 6 divisions (including einstein)?
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Plus if 8 fields, with roughly 300 teams (maybe more), you'd have "relatively" small divisions... which could be nice... but... i think space is more the limitation. |
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yes there is probably room for it but lets think what it would take to make a few more fields.
1) fields - they already have them this year with 8 regionals 2)Field people - more skilled people to run the field 3)field reset, cuing, refs - another whole set of refs for each additional field 4) more radio channels - i think that the IFI system can only support 30 teams running at the same time etc. For every additional person they need down there they need to provide a t-shirt, food, etc. The more fields you have the less time you have in between matches, would you really like to make that 15 min walk from the pits to the field every 30 mins? and the real reason they should never do it is because they will take away our conga line space ![]() |
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I'm a little unsure how 5 or 6 divisions would work for the eliminations. As far as i know, you need powers of 2 to make the current system work. An odd number could be downright painful...
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Well, maybe the 6 aren't necessarily all for FRC. I suppose it's possible 2 of the fields are used for FLL and VEX. But, I'm not a fan of having 80 teams per division. Sigh.
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I feel stupid asking this, but what is Einstien? Is it some kind of division?
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Einstein is the fifth field where the division champs play for the finals. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe prior to 2003 (or maybe 2002) the four divisions rotated through the Einstein field, so they had five fields in use instead of four, and could fit more matches in. ~Allison |
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whoops, my bad...
I'd switched Einstein and Galileo. |
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The park was awesome but FIRST has definately improved when it comes to the actual event and unless Disney sudeenly builds a 60,000 seat domed stadium with a 2,000,000 square foot convention center attatched to it I really see no reason for them to ever go back. |
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Why does he have to die first? There is no law saying you can't dedicate something to a living person.
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If I remember correctly DaVinci was the name of the FVC field last year...but they could always change that around.
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is there an updated list of teams by division including the teams now attending from last weeks regionals
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not fully updated but the alignment had been bothering me
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Division 4...
25, 40, 66, 71, 118, 173, 177, 190, 233, 469.. OUCH! |
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Week 5 295 teams. 1 4 9 11 16 20 22 25 27 33 38 40 45 47 48 49 59 60 65 66 67 69 70 71 74 75 79 85 86 87 88 93 100 108 111 118 120 121 122 125 126 128 133 135 138 148 151 155 159 166 168 173 174 175 176 177 179 180 184 190 191 192 195 201 203 204 207 211 217 223 224 226 228 229 231 233 234 236 237 245 247 254 269 271 279 280 292 295 302 304 308 312 322 326 330 337 340 341 343 346 348 357 358 359 365 375 378 384 386 395 397 401 405 406 418 435 440 444 447 461 462 468 469 476 486 488 492 494 499 503 519 525 527 538 540 546 547 555 563 573 581 585 610 612 614 618 647 650 662 665 686 710 714 716 752 753 766 768 803 809 812 815 816 830 842 846 852 862 868 869 888 896 900 922 928 945 967 968 971 973 980 989 999 1002 1006 1014 1023 1024 1033 1038 1057 1089 1102 1103 1108 1114 1124 1126 1138 1184 1187 1188 1241 1250 1251 1262 1266 1272 1276 1279 1280 1289 1302 1305 1306 1323 1324 1350 1366 1367 1368 1379 1390 1394 1402 1403 1414 1422 1425 1448 1450 1452 1481 1482 1492 1502 1503 1506 1508 1511 1519 1523 1538 1539 1541 1547 1549 1560 1563 1567 1568 1592 1595 1598 1601 1604 1610 1616 1617 1626 1629 1646 1649 1654 1662 1675 1680 1685 1700 1714 1717 1718 1719 1723 1726 1727 1743 1746 1747 1756 1761 1778 1807 1810 1816 1834 1846 1868 1880 1885 1887 1897 1922 1941 |
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Oh god, duck and cover :ahh: lol, our division is pretty scary as of now.
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so the last set of regionals are over, any idea when the Championship Divsion Team list will be coming out?
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Everyone keeps speaking about 4 divisions, but if you go to http://demo-first.blogspot.com/ it shows 6 fields in the first photo. I've never been to championships, so I was wondering what the other 2 fields are for (practice maybe?), or is this a hint that there will be 6 fields?
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Yep, theres six. 4 for FRC divisions (Galileo, Newton, Curie, Archimedes). 1 for FRC finals/FLL competition (Einstein) and one for FVC (Da Vinci).
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Well, here's my list...it's including all the registered teams, pending teams, and all the teams who qualified from week 5 regionals. I know some of them might not get to go, but...what else was I supposed to do, I want to know what our division's going to look like!! :p
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