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Justin_302 14-03-2006 08:31

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon Compton
So basically, by violating the spirit and intent of the FIRST competition and damaging something that a group of students and mentors spent 6, very long, very involved weeks designing and manufacturing, you can cripple a robot giving you the upper hand? One should note that "intent" is quoted as a factor for penalties/DQs in the rulebook this year, and your intent CERTAINLY is against the rules; I would hope that after your repeated ramming, your robot would be DQed or penalized well before the treads broke. But whatever, I guess everyone cant play real defense, like actually pushing the other robot instead of ramming it with the intent to destroy.

But hey, what do I know? I'm only interpreting Gracious Professionalism the same way that 99% of FIRST participants do, and relying on the demonstrated intent and mission of FIRST; to inspire and drive students, not to take 6 weeks of their life and break it just because they made a design so good that their opponents needed to disable them to win.

well first off, you dont need to ram their robot for the tracks to come off. A small "love tap" will knock the treads off. Second off, if a team is not going to build their robot to go on the field and play a match that is brutal and defensive, then they cant complain when their robot gets broken. I was thinking this game would be more offensive than defensive, but i was wrong. If you are a good shooter, you have 2 robots on you at all times. The fact of the matter is whether its pushing or ramming, build you robot to survive it.

Chris Hibner 14-03-2006 08:36

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin_302
well first off, you dont need to ram their robot for the tracks to come off. A small "love tap" will knock the treads off.

Do you really think that they aren't busting their butts in the fix-it window to solve this problem? I'm sure that you won't see many busted treads in the future from them.

DjAlamose 14-03-2006 08:41

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Please can we get this thread back on topic? (move the topic of "defeating the triplets" to a new thread)

After looking at some video im going to have to say that I can't limit my list to 10 teams. There are just too many of them! But as for a great alliance, 1126, 1114, and 68. The reason I added 68 is because not only can they shoot, but they can also play so REALLY good defense.

xzvrw2 14-03-2006 08:58

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjAlamose
Please can we get this thread back on topic? (move the topic of "defeating the triplets" to a new thread)

After looking at some video im going to have to say that I can't limit my list to 10 teams. There are just too many of them! But as for a great alliance, 1126, 1114, and 68. The reason I added 68 is because not only can they shoot, but they can also play so REALLY good defense.

i agree
haha
but i am surprised, this may sounds bias but, that no one has mentioned 65
we had our problems but we are shooting well over 90%. our auto mode is crazy good..wen we remember to fully reset the robot...and in auto mode...if we get hit...we can still make goals up top, proved by one match at GLR when i think it was 67 hit us and we still sank our shots.

any who, some other of my pics this year would be:
229
25
1114
1503
469
254
1126(i haven't seen them but with all this talk, they must be good)
33
451
71
237
343

i know thats more then 10 but hey who's counting haha

not in any particular order

kevinw 14-03-2006 10:37

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
I've only seen a single regional, but if I were picking two robots to be on my alliance, 469 and 1114 would be at the top of the list. They both performed in championship form, and were extremely impressive. There are only two problems with picking them:
1) outperforming both of them so you can pick them.
2) convincing the rest of the field not to take your second pick.

And, as has been mentioned multiple times, they'll only improve between now and Atlanta. Scary.

Holtzman 14-03-2006 10:45

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin_302
A small "love tap" will knock the treads off.

Well, if you call getting consistently double teamed a "love tap", then I guess your right.

As for the rest of the "how to beat the triplets" comments, I'd like to thank all of you for pointing out some of our areas which need improvement. We will be working on them over the next few fix-it windows, and hope to have all these areas eliminated. See you at Waterloo, GTR, and Championship. :)

Lil' Lavery 14-03-2006 15:48

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
From what I have watched, and heard about, here are my top picks so far:
(none of these in exact orders)
Shooters:
"The Triplets"
254
25
435
1731 (The most impressive rookie machine I have ever seen)
71
330
1126
343
233
86

Herders:
1902
510
537
414
225

Overall:
"The Triplets"
537
25
1731
71
1902
225
229
1126
343
233
510

A balanced alliance is a good thing to have, don't discount the herders in their roles during the competition, even at Championship.

Corey Balint 14-03-2006 15:57

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
I am only going to judge from what I have seen through the webcasts or in person. (In no particular order)
Shooters:
103
987
1114
1503
1680
469
33
20
126

Herders/Dumpers:
195
716
225
1923

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
A balanced alliance is a good thing to have, don't discount the herders in their roles during the competition, even at Championship.

That, I am not so sure about. It seems to me three strong shooters will always win over any other combination. I see it this way, you have two bots playing defense on two shooters, one bot has free reign on the goal.

xzvrw2 14-03-2006 16:54

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
i say that the best alliance is 2 huge shooters and one defence bot
but that is just from what i seen at GLR

Peter Matteson 14-03-2006 17:04

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xzvrw2
i say that the best alliance is 2 huge shooters and one defence bot
but that is just from what i seen at GLR

I disagree a balanced triple threat is more dangerous and difficult to beat. If any bot can score how do you know who to defend. If they can all defend you then they can also get balls without harassment.

Lil' Lavery 14-03-2006 17:21

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

That, I am not so sure about. It seems to me three strong shooters will always win over any other combination. I see it this way, you have two bots playing defense on two shooters, one bot has free reign on the goal.

Defense doesn't have to be 1-on-1 and it often hasn't been during the previous extent of the competition. Especially considering a majority of the shooters have to be relatively close to the front of the ramp, and typically nearly directly in front of the goal, a "zone" defensive scheme has seemed to be highly effective at shutting down shooters in many alliances. Additionally, it is rare that all 3 shooters will be fully loaded at the same time. Beyond that, I have seen several herders actually manage to outscore some of the more mediocre shooters (which which come into play alot more at regionals than championship, but the point still stands).
I'm not saying that an entirely shooter alliance may not be a good idea, but depending on many other factors, it may be highly advantageous to have a bot that can score many balls in the corner goal quickly (and some shooters do have that ability in addition to the center goal).
While not always true, as a general rule of thumb, herders can also store more balls than shooters, and as the game evolves "ball control" may still emerge as an important factor (I'm not saying you have to control all 80 balls, but being in control of a majority of them seems to be a good way to control the flow of the game).

Corey Balint 14-03-2006 17:43

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
I'm not gonna get into a whole big thing on strategy this early in the game, and yes defence does not have to be 1 on 1...but do you really think one strong defensive bot will be able to take on 2 defensive bots? As Pete said, look at the balance of the bots...if you watched UTC, you know what i mean.
And the herding bots, how many have you seen a bot with in one match before..if they have a big load they are going to drop off in the closing seconds, you sacrifice your 15 points and get off the ramp to block them, or you let them go if they have less. The herding bots to me can have some advantages yes, but personally, I would take 177(your decent shooter and defender) and any of my shooters over a dumper bot any day.

sillyone 15-03-2006 00:29

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
my team pics this year would be

SHOOTERS
"the Triplets"
47 (chief Delphi)
67 ( Hot Team)
68 (Truck Town)
66 (The Flyers)

HERDERS
of course 322 (FIRE Team)
1 (juggernauts)
and many more i cant think of right know


Overall

"The Triplets"
322
66
67
68

Tom Bottiglieri 15-03-2006 00:34

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey Balint
The herding bots to me can have some advantages yes, but personally, I would take 177(your decent shooter and defender) and any of my shooters over a dumper bot any day.

And thats why 25 wont win in Atlanta... :)

Rick TYler 15-03-2006 00:53

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 
Delphi is so Midwest-centric... respect the authority of the Cheesy Poofs. 753 isn't so bad, either...


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