Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Who are your top 10 teams for this year?
As far as on the floor competition goes.

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10?

Nay. I've only been to one regional.

But 1276, 296, and 25? One reaction:

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The Poofs Rool. 254 belongs on the list for sure (as long as they keep a supply of spare FPs handy...)

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So far from what i've seen, and this is only talking about 4 regionals so this list will be updated.

254
25
343
384
1276
40

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I know I started this really early.
I wanted to see how everyone's opinions would change throughout the competition season.

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To add to those lists:

103
486

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I've only been to the GLR, but here are my pics (Not including my team, obviously)

Team 33
The GM Triplets
The Feds
Team 66
Team 47

I'll try to think of more later.

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one word...Sparx

1126

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My top 10 are
Raider Robotix 25
The Triplets (1114, 1503, 1680)
Beatty (71)
Kil-a-Bytes (1024)
Cheesy Poofs (254)
Sparx
Divison by Zero (1126 and 229)
Metal-in-Motion (343)
Martians (494 or 70) :p :D
And Finally The Robodogs (435)

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I have to agree with Jason, 1126 will beat out any robot I have seen... they score fast, have a great automode, and are pretty hard to push around.

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As for me:
1114 (triplet 1)
1503 (triplet 2)
71 (the BEAST) Obviously
111 Wildstang
1126 Sparx
229 Division by Zero
66 B-24 Flyers
25 Raider Robotix
68 Truck Town Thunder (good for defense, I would know...)
279 Tech Fusion (gotta have faith!)

At GLR 1680 (triplet 3) wasn't doing so hot. It may be the same robot but it wasnt dooing as good as the others.

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I see mostly the same above.

1126 - Amazing fellas!
Triplets!- See ya at GTR!
25 - Look for us in your division in ATL!


so far.

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i think that canada is gonna smoke the teams for a while, until teams can get an auto mode where they will stop them in automode, ( we did beat their automode, thanks to our alliance playing D while we scored 24 points ) but that was a lucky 2 shots we won by, id have to say canada is a major threat to everyone, ill post video when i can

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from the two regionals i have seen (UCF and VCU)

Metal in motion 343
Sparky 384
MARS 1523
Pink 233
Krunch 79

I really liked these robots!

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I'd put team #20 in there too. They were versatile and could lock on the goal and score.

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I want to add another question here:

If you had to make an alliance what 3 robots would you put together and why?

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beatty (71) and 25. amazing. there are so many like great robots this year i just cannot decided my top 10.

-Court-

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I'd add 469 to that list. We'll see 217 Thunderchickens this week at Detroit.

27, 302, 397, 815 and 451 also have good prospects.

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I don't know how you could watch the UCF regional and not add team 86 that list. They have an amazing bot.

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I'd have to second that, 86's machine was simply stunning to say the least. It shot balls into that center goal faster than I could count.

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without a doubt, 1126 is at the top of my list.

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86 was incredible, after allying with them i have to say you give them 10 seconds to shoot and you can win the match just from that. truy the best ball intake to shooter i have seen so far.

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Canada is no threat. Every robot has a weakness and after another regional, teams will find it and exploit it. 451 had to park on the ramp to shoot so what did other teams do, they would get on the ramp and block them from shooting. At Its a simple strategy that works. As for teams,
1.469
2.1503
3.33
4.451
5.201(FEDS)
6.47
7.66
8.1114
9.322
10.302:D

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Speaking to the Canadian triplets, there are definate weaknesses, especially since there are three of them to test strategies against. We know how to beat them and will test them at nationals if we see them. Best of luck to them though, they have a very solid design.

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I think the top team that i have seen has to bee team 20 the rocketeers they made 10 balls in autonomous it was amazing to watch at the hartford regional and i got it all on tape then they made 6 one after another while getting pushed around by other robots they would shoot at the same time and make them


MY PICK FOR THE NATIONALS TEAM 20

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Then you obviously haven't seen the Northern Knights, 296. It's only weakness is... errr.... :confused: The thing was shooting from dead against the side rail of the field within 10 feet of their opponents driver's station wall. The only reason they didn't make it past the semis at BAE was a faulty victor and a DQ of a robot on their alliance.

As for an alliance capable of winning Atlanta, I'd say 296, 25, 195 (or a similarly defensivly godly robot that has a decent shooter).

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The best way to defend against the triplets is to keep pounding them from the sides and front and eventually their "unbreakable" treads will break immobilizing them the rest of the match. I noticed this a few times at GLR, twice in particular during the finals matches. Also they rely on sweet spots during auto, block the sweet spot they cant score with out readjusting. But other than that very good robots, with great scoring capabilities

But just FYI.

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I have never seen #469 start a season this strong, yet they're always right up there at the end. Look for them to go racing past the field - once they get their strategies in order.

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So basically, by violating the spirit and intent of the FIRST competition and damaging something that a group of students and mentors spent 6, very long, very involved weeks designing and manufacturing, you can cripple a robot giving you the upper hand? One should note that "intent" is quoted as a factor for penalties/DQs in the rulebook this year, and your intent CERTAINLY is against the rules; I would hope that after your repeated ramming, your robot would be DQed or penalized well before the treads broke. But whatever, I guess everyone cant play real defense, like actually pushing the other robot instead of ramming it with the intent to destroy.

But hey, what do I know? I'm only interpreting Gracious Professionalism the same way that 99% of FIRST participants do, and relying on the demonstrated intent and mission of FIRST; to inspire and drive students, not to take 6 weeks of their life and break it just because they made a design so good that their opponents needed to disable them to win.

/rant. Thread, return to on topic!

Sorry about the violation of forum etiquette, but I am incensed.



On Topic part of my post:

Team 25 is definitely in the top this year, as is MOE 365, whose robot seemed fairly impressive from what I've seen/heard of it. I also think that my team will pose a bit of a threat, since we should be able to push just about any team sideways down the field and onto a ramp and pin them there.

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^tisk tisk

The way to beat the triplets is three fold.

First - divide and conquer - don't let one of them seed higher than third. (How? read on...)

Second - match them one-on-one in auto mode - there will be many who get their stuff together enough to do that. Others will cut them off before they shoot.

Third - starve them - once they've shot their load their opponents foolishly let them back to face the HP. Keep a bot in front of them. They can't load from the top. They can't shoot what they don't have.

A fourth will have to wait for next year. And that's to ban the practice. It can only lead to escalation where GM, FORD, and others form multi-teams. The little guys will be shut out. The US auto companies should not mind the ban; TOYOTA has joined the fray.

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well first off, you dont need to ram their robot for the tracks to come off. A small "love tap" will knock the treads off. Second off, if a team is not going to build their robot to go on the field and play a match that is brutal and defensive, then they cant complain when their robot gets broken. I was thinking this game would be more offensive than defensive, but i was wrong. If you are a good shooter, you have 2 robots on you at all times. The fact of the matter is whether its pushing or ramming, build you robot to survive it.

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Do you really think that they aren't busting their butts in the fix-it window to solve this problem? I'm sure that you won't see many busted treads in the future from them.

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Please can we get this thread back on topic? (move the topic of "defeating the triplets" to a new thread)

After looking at some video im going to have to say that I can't limit my list to 10 teams. There are just too many of them! But as for a great alliance, 1126, 1114, and 68. The reason I added 68 is because not only can they shoot, but they can also play so REALLY good defense.

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i agree
haha
but i am surprised, this may sounds bias but, that no one has mentioned 65
we had our problems but we are shooting well over 90%. our auto mode is crazy good..wen we remember to fully reset the robot...and in auto mode...if we get hit...we can still make goals up top, proved by one match at GLR when i think it was 67 hit us and we still sank our shots.

any who, some other of my pics this year would be:
229
25
1114
1503
469
254
1126(i haven't seen them but with all this talk, they must be good)
33
451
71
237
343

i know thats more then 10 but hey who's counting haha

not in any particular order

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I've only seen a single regional, but if I were picking two robots to be on my alliance, 469 and 1114 would be at the top of the list. They both performed in championship form, and were extremely impressive. There are only two problems with picking them:
1) outperforming both of them so you can pick them.
2) convincing the rest of the field not to take your second pick.

And, as has been mentioned multiple times, they'll only improve between now and Atlanta. Scary.

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Well, if you call getting consistently double teamed a "love tap", then I guess your right.

As for the rest of the "how to beat the triplets" comments, I'd like to thank all of you for pointing out some of our areas which need improvement. We will be working on them over the next few fix-it windows, and hope to have all these areas eliminated. See you at Waterloo, GTR, and Championship. :)

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From what I have watched, and heard about, here are my top picks so far:
(none of these in exact orders)
Shooters:
"The Triplets"
254
25
435
1731 (The most impressive rookie machine I have ever seen)
71
330
1126
343
233
86

Herders:
1902
510
537
414
225

Overall:
"The Triplets"
537
25
1731
71
1902
225
229
1126
343
233
510

A balanced alliance is a good thing to have, don't discount the herders in their roles during the competition, even at Championship.

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I am only going to judge from what I have seen through the webcasts or in person. (In no particular order)
Shooters:
103
987
1114
1503
1680
469
33
20
126

Herders/Dumpers:
195
716
225
1923

That, I am not so sure about. It seems to me three strong shooters will always win over any other combination. I see it this way, you have two bots playing defense on two shooters, one bot has free reign on the goal.

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i say that the best alliance is 2 huge shooters and one defence bot
but that is just from what i seen at GLR

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I disagree a balanced triple threat is more dangerous and difficult to beat. If any bot can score how do you know who to defend. If they can all defend you then they can also get balls without harassment.

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Defense doesn't have to be 1-on-1 and it often hasn't been during the previous extent of the competition. Especially considering a majority of the shooters have to be relatively close to the front of the ramp, and typically nearly directly in front of the goal, a "zone" defensive scheme has seemed to be highly effective at shutting down shooters in many alliances. Additionally, it is rare that all 3 shooters will be fully loaded at the same time. Beyond that, I have seen several herders actually manage to outscore some of the more mediocre shooters (which which come into play alot more at regionals than championship, but the point still stands).
I'm not saying that an entirely shooter alliance may not be a good idea, but depending on many other factors, it may be highly advantageous to have a bot that can score many balls in the corner goal quickly (and some shooters do have that ability in addition to the center goal).
While not always true, as a general rule of thumb, herders can also store more balls than shooters, and as the game evolves "ball control" may still emerge as an important factor (I'm not saying you have to control all 80 balls, but being in control of a majority of them seems to be a good way to control the flow of the game).

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I'm not gonna get into a whole big thing on strategy this early in the game, and yes defence does not have to be 1 on 1...but do you really think one strong defensive bot will be able to take on 2 defensive bots? As Pete said, look at the balance of the bots...if you watched UTC, you know what i mean.
And the herding bots, how many have you seen a bot with in one match before..if they have a big load they are going to drop off in the closing seconds, you sacrifice your 15 points and get off the ramp to block them, or you let them go if they have less. The herding bots to me can have some advantages yes, but personally, I would take 177(your decent shooter and defender) and any of my shooters over a dumper bot any day.

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my team pics this year would be

SHOOTERS
"the Triplets"
47 (chief Delphi)
67 ( Hot Team)
68 (Truck Town)
66 (The Flyers)

HERDERS
of course 322 (FIRE Team)
1 (juggernauts)
and many more i cant think of right know


Overall

"The Triplets"
322
66
67
68

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And thats why 25 wont win in Atlanta... :)

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Delphi is so Midwest-centric... respect the authority of the Cheesy Poofs. 753 isn't so bad, either...

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Thank you! ^_^ Team 180, 233, 710, and 79 are excellent robots out there. We all will be representing the state of Florida against other areas! w00t

-WJS

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Hummm, it appears the gauntlet has been thrown.

A few years back, when it was one-on-one-one, the teams formed alliances all on their own to turn it into two-on-one against a powerhouse. That's the year that spawned alliances - FIRST figured it out - the teams wanted alliances.

Now that the triplets have brought a whole new dimension to the practice, we can be sure the rest will continually look to defeat them.

I know of a way that'd be hard to stop. Here's a clue: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...8&page=1&pp=15

EDIT // Hey look at that - This the 47th. post. => How Ironic!

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#Shooters
"the triplets of terror" (not the most robust designs, but very effective shooters no doubt)
#469 (we were pushing them across the field and the camera just kept re-adjusting and making shots, awesome.)

Herders
#322 (dumping 30 + in the corner goals on many occasions)
#1 (Paddle design worked great)

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I'd have to disagree, a consistant dumper bot/good defender is an extremely solid force to have in any alliance. This is the case in with our alliance, except we had 2 good dumper bots with a good shooter. We were able to defeat a very strong 233 190 744 alliance, all very solid shooters. We were able to utilize a solid zone defense, there is only so much room in the middle of the field, with people occupying that space and pushing people on there corners it makes an extremely difficult time for the shooters. All this time a dumper bot collects and effectively can score in the different areas. There is only 1 center goal there are 2 side goals. Getting to those side goals is not that difficult, especially when you can only have 2 defenders. When a team has 2 solid shooters and a dumper that score many points rapidly ( our bot can dump 18 balls in a little over 3 seconds ) it makes it extremely difficult to defend. There aren't many teams that can score 6 center goal balls in under 3 seconds, to match that 18 points. A few times we'd score 3 dumps and end up on the ramp in the end.

Infact through out the competition we consistantly scored higher than many mediocre shooters, and we weren't the only ones, other examples just at Florida alone would be 59, 357, 1029, 1649. A team with solid defensive drivetrain and is good at dumping the balls quickly is still hard to deal with. There are a ton of examples at the Florida regional to watch, watch the semi-finals 2-1 and 2-2 on the soap archives that show this.

Either way My top lists would include

254
71
111
1213
233
86
25
343

If 180 gets there turret working a bit better ( even tho they won ucf ) they will quickly be vaulted towards the top of my list as well

I'm sure there are many more to follow on this list I havn't added I still havn't seen teams like 45, 67,60,68,47, 16, and soo many others can't wait till nationals to finish my list.

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From what I've seen thus far, the better teams are (IMO):

469
25
217
86
126
1503
1114
254
1126
1276
111
33
233
343
1731
(1241?)

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from what i have seen at the two regionals that i have been to and from what people have told me here is my updated list of top teams:

1114
1503
269
217
703
451
25
229
1126
397
111
71
254
1
141
65

and there was some other teams that i think that if you get aligned with them they will do good:
818
1188
33
79
123
1213
66

some teams that you would have thought will be good this year because of rep aren't
I'm not going to name any off
but if you have seen them
you know what teams i am talking about.

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I would add 1280, 114 and 488. They haven't won regionals, but they are good enough to be on winning alliances. Another robot to watch very carefully in their next regional is 492 (2-time winner at PNW and '06 PNW Chairman's winner). Titan Robotics had uncharacteristic problems getting started at PNW on Friday, but by Saturday was regularly scoring 9-10 in autonomous and playing their usual smart game. I can see either 488 or 492 playing the corner-scoring role in an alliance with two good shooters (like 1280 and 114 -- the other two additions I'm proposing).

About 114 -- it looked to me like they had a ball jam their shooter in their last match in the SVR final rounds. Can anyone from 114 confirm this, or explain why they stopped shooting? Also, does 114 have to move their shooter to the side to load the next ball? Just wondering... we're done for the year.

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Exactly. Our alliance 180-79-1649 would have had no chance of winning the Florida regional without strong defence or our dumper bot (1649). In fact I think dumper bots (1649 and 1902 especially) are extremely underrated. 1649 did not have the scoring potential of either us or 79 but they were very dependable and their scoring seemed to slip under the radar of the opposing alliances. Of course a good shooter will beat a good dumper but a good dumper that can climb up the ramp and play good defense is better than most shooters.
I can't fault those picks.


Be afraid, be very afraid.

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Camera went kaput right at the start of the elinmination rounds. Wouldn't track the target - we were aiming manually.

Worked fine during qualifying though - we came out undefeated.

As for the shooter - no - but if balls don't fall in, we need to agitate it. The shooter is linked to a rotating ring inside the hopper - by turning the turret - the balls are agitated.

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I only went to the Jersey regional, but judging from what I saw there while match scouting, my picks would be

25 25 25!.
375
486

I'm a bit biased when it comes to team 25, so please ignore the excessive excitement. But as I'm sure you can tell by the 245432534 people that listed them above me, it's probably not too excessive :rolleyes: . Team 56 is also a good shooter as long as they're not being pushed. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing also, and a few numbers I can't remember either. But 25, 375, and 486 were my three favorites.

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I have seen little of alot of regionals and alot of a couple
for example:

UCF, VCU, BoilerMaker, Midwest (thanks to 111), and Sillocon Valley, here is my top 10

1: Team 254, Already WON two regionals, and can shoot on the ramp
2: Team 343, Strong and creative robot
3: Team 25, From what i hear form NJ, this team deserves to be on my list
4: Team 180, If that torrent gets working
5: Team 111, Strong Robot, as usual
6: Team 71, Same as #5
7: Team 86, If they solve their topheavy problem
8: Team 222, Can get on the ramp, just like the Poofs
9: Team 357, With the sweat wheels, and the skills, why not.
10: Team 1610, had a impressive atonomus mode.

Teams that almost made it,
1, 233, 79, 1523, 1024, 384, 1511 (heard good things about them too.)

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Jack, I'm surprised at your stance here, considering where you're from. I know you've heard of Ford FIRST. They have partially collaborated every year for a long time, and they don't have half the success that Niagara FIRST does after two years. Multiteams don't necessarily a winner make.

On topic: 217, 469, 229, 233, 111, 1114, any other bot that can Smart-Shoot, in no particular order.

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from the 2 regionals that we've been to, the boilermaker and pittsburgh, i can say:

shooters
135
1018
1319
365
85

dumpers
395
1018
868
291

pushers
395
1529
365
1741
1743

some close ones were 102, 393 (if they can fix their bot and keep it working then they would be great dumpers), 1501, 292, 1555 (keep working on your shooter), 1760, 1249, and 461

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Okay so my top picks.

1.) 71 - come on who would count Beatty out? They are still number one in my book, because they know how to play the game.
2.) 111 - Pretty impressed once again this year.
3.) 1114 - Mean looking robot and pretty lethal when with one of the other triplets.
4.) 1126 - You have to give some credit here. This robot is pretty solid a few tweaks and they could be a contender again.
5.) 1756 - Need I say why?
6.) 254 - Great robot again and their drivers are looking great.
7.) 469 - Nice robot, and drivers are good again
8.) 233 - Well designed and thought out robot. Watch out for Pink.
9.) 1503 - Identical to 1114. Come on, let this team team up with a couple other good shooters and it could be a great match to see.
10.) 217 - Can you say thunderchickens. These guys have a great robot.

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FYP.

It took them all Thursday and most of Friday to get there - thus their placement in Detroit. That's not to detract from the team. Their finished product is one of the small tier of good robots - let's say top 6 or so - in Detroit. But it wasn't there in the opening rounds, and they knew it.

I expect them only to get better. BEWARE!

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It does not matter how long it took them to get were they are. they were a great pick by 469, and they have a great bot.

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If self-promotion is allowed, then I would put 1111 (Powerhawks) on that list (though you won't see us at Nationals this year because of money problems.) (We won, even with alliance partners that we helped get their robot up.)

Of the regionals that I've seen (Chesapeake included):

56 (Robbe Xtreme) (no questions asked, just a flat-out amazing dumper)
103 (Cybersonics)(we had the luxury of playing with them twice)
175 (Buzz)
181 (Birds of Prey) (don't know if they will go to Nationals)
190
254 (Cheesy Poofs, no questions asked! Aweseome shooter, did not flip.) (You guys better come to Chesapeakes some time soon.)
293 (Spike, some interesting autonomous modes)
888 (Roboiators)
1184 (Wow! That bot was an incredible defender.)
1629 (Garrett Coalition)
1934 (good dumping capabilities, we hope to see some more from this team soon)

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888 Robotiators by the way. Thank you for allowing us in this group!

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What about good defensive bots? A good defense beats a good offense! The Robocats have been to two regionals (Buckeye,Detroit) ... DEFENSE IS HUGE. So from what everyone saw, who are the top 10 defensive bots?

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Often times the best defensive bots are very good offensive bots as well. Ask anybody who attended Trenton or Annapolis.

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And the UTC regional

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DID FLIP!!!! lol. ahaha. but not as much as other did, but it did flip.
But a good pick overall, and a good shooter, i just dont like how it has to go up the ramp backwards and then turn around.

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We have to go up the ramp backwards? That's news to me... *shifty eyes*

Yes, our robot has been on its side for part of 3 or so matches this season due to various circumstances. When we were tipped in match #2 of the SVR Quarters the crowd sounded like it was a match on Einstein.

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I've only been to one regional so far but one robot that sticks out in my mind is 296. They had a very good autonomous and scored balls quickly. They'll be at GTR so keep your eyes out for them!!

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There are a ton of reasons why we pick who we pick. The biggest is can we work with that team. If we could hand pick any teams we wanted our team could easily say we only want shooters but that is not how the game works and our team will pick the best robots we can work with and hope that it is a winning allince. I feel that drive trains being equal a robot that shoots 7 of 10 is much better then a robots dumping 18.


shaun

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

25
56
75
375
522


and maybe :rolleyes: 223 if we can work out some small things

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I really like 987, High Rollers

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Hello...

thanks...hope we do ok in Atlanta.

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A few teams off of my head that I really liked this year:
135
1038
1024
Martians

I really enjoyed competing with all of the teams from the Boilermaker Regional as well as the Buckeye Regional. Thanks everyone for making this the best year ever!

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probably team 612

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I'm foreseeing the Triplets, Wildstang, 1625 & 1732 (sorry, I don't know your teams' names) and the Martians all being among top Atlanta teams. Obviously that's a viewpoint tainted by the regionals I've been to, however they're all spectacular.

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thanx! you guys are awesome and your robot is AMAZING! thank you for picking us at BMR. it's a shame we weren't in the finals, but yall have a rocking robot and there isn't enough words to compliment it.

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yay! u want to pick my team!! heh
((*katy*))team 66 :D

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

I must say. That is one FINE prediction. :cool:

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Ditto.

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Team 159 Alpine Robotics ( My Fav )
Team 1158 Eagle Corps
Team 662 Rocky Mountain Robotics
Team 1800 Hot Tamales
Team 935 Railer Robotics
Team 1332 Swift
Team 1619 Up-A-Creek

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

269 is awsome is all i say

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Turns out the dumper is pretty effective doesnt it Corey

However it does seem that Corey was right (by about 4 points.)

I just found those posts funny. For any one who doesnt know 25 and 195 were alliance partners in the finals in Atlanta.

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

For the alliance we set up it was perfect. Besides, I loved 322 and 195. The A-Bomb idea had been discussed before, and we knew those two teams could pull it off, it was just a matter of getting them which we thought would be the problem.
All in all, it comes down to who is available and when. Things could have been much different if we had a different first pick or a different second pick..diff division, so on and so forth.

But for our alliance, the dumper was key.

And it was just a friendly little ribbing between me and tom.

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Kinda on the notes of "who is available" etc.
Supposing 176 doesn't pick you first over-all, and 987 picks you (and you know they would have) 2nd, would you have accepted? On a similar note, if 254 isn't picked by 176, do you pick them or 968 first?



And if I'm building an alliance around 116 (on the topic of the original post):
469
254
968
1114
1503
111
71
494
70
25
233
365
1731
1523
1680

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Another discussion tom and I had today. Similar at least, we went through random things as such. One of which is what if we seeded first. And to answer your question, i would have many answers for many different variables. However, my team and I did not see eye to eye on how we wanted the top 5 teams ranked. I could tell you both sides, however that may take a while.

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Since I have a 5 hour break in between classes three days a week...here it is.
Note: All below is pure opinion of what would have happened, with some insider info thrown in.

If we seeded first:
Team Consensus
25-111-122
176-1503-195
987-968-1718
254-71-753
229-11-85
66-93-868
133-322-397
1519-40-1646

This has little variation to what actually happened in the second round of selections.
I am not sure who 987 would pick, but I think that they were going for that defensive third shooter bot. However, I know that 968 had 195 high on their list.
I know 1503 would not let 195 get past them. If we had in the actual competition, I know 987-1503 would definitely have selected them.
The third pick here, we would go with what happened on Newton, 122 was a good shooter, but could be pushed, but we decide to go with the shooting focus because we think wed be able to outscore all.

1>8
2>7
3>6
4>5

1>4
2<3

1>3

If 176/987 swapped picks:
25-111-573
176-968-294
987-1503-195
254-71-753
229-11-85
66-93-868
133-322-397
1519-40-1646

176 and 968 go for a fast shooter who, if left alone, can put up a ton of points.
We decide to go for a more powerful drive train with a good shooter now because of that above, and wed need someone to fend of 195.

1>8
2>7
3>6
4>5

1>4
3>2

3>1


My Idea if we seeded first: I was really torn between 987/1503.
25-987-753
176-111-294
254-1503-195
229-968-85
66-71-868
133-322-397
1519-11-40
122-93-868

1>8
2<7
3>6
4<5

1>5
3>7

This is one heck of a finals if you ask me.
25-987-753>254-1503-195

OR:

25-1503-195
176-111-294
254-987-753
229-968-85
66-71-868
133-322-397
1519-11-40
122-93-868

1>8
2<7
3>6
4<5

1>5
3>7

Again, one heck of a finals.
25-1503-195 > 254-987-753


Now with your ideas put in…Supposing 176 doesn't pick you first over-all, and 987 picks you (and you know they would have) 2nd, would you have accepted? To answer, yes we would have. It would’ve been the exact same pattern as I said above…

176-111-294
987-25-753
254-1503-195
229-968-85
66-71-868
133-322-397
1519-11-40
122-93-868

1>8
2>7
3>6
4<5

1<5
2>3

2>5


On a similar note, if 254 isn't picked by 176, do you pick them or 968 first?

176-111-294
987-1503-753
25-254-195
229-968-85
66-71-868
133-322-397
1519-11-40
122-93-868

1>8
2>7
3>6
4<5

1<5
2<3

3>5


On that note. My dream alliance would have been 25-987-195 or 25-1503-195. Although I do think with the A-Bomb, the 25-1503-195 alliance would have been more successful.

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

corey, you have wayyyy too much free time at college. :p

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First off, you have 868 going twice in at least 4 of your mock competitions. :p

Secondly, why do you think 1503 would have faired better with the A-Bomb? I know some within the Triplets had considered such a "robot make out", and had also been concerned with their intake speed from the ground not being able to match the output of many herders. Also, 987 (at Arizona I think) did pull off an "A-Bomb" like maneuver with another team (I remember them posting video).

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Haha. Copy+Paste=Female Dog. Ill fix that eventually.
With the way 195 was designed, they could sit in front of them loading them and not have to worry about msising a shot. And 1503 was very hard to push. While 987, while still hard to push was a bit easier to do so.

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

Corey it is interesting that you have our alliance being divisional finalist in 2 of those scenarios.

Now here is the real scenario for you to do out. How would the pickings have been if we had a shooting Auto mode (I don't think we would have passed up 195 if we did)

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

To the first. I do?
To the second. Itd mix up alotta things. But still teams out there to pick.

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nope sorry you are right corey. I thought it was odd, but I was looking at it wrong. my bad

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I came up with another idea sitting in my International Affairs Class, partly due to sean.

What would happen if 176 only threw the block on us...not 254, but then 987 took 254 instead of 1503.
Not really sure who 229 would pick though. Im gonna do both 968 and 71. It may not make too much of a difference...because i think 66 would take either one anyways. I know 66 would take 71, but Im not too sure they wouldve done 968.

176-111-294
987-254-1718
25-1503-195
229-71-85
66-968-868
133-322-397
1519-40-1646
122-93-11

1<8
2>7
3>6
4>5

4>8
2<3

3>4




176-111-294
987-254-1718
25-1503-195
229-968-868
66-71-85
133-322-397
1519-40-1646
122-93-11

1<8
2>7
3>6
4<5

5>8
2<3

3>5



176-111-1718
987-254-868
25-1503-195
229-71-85
66-93-968
133-322-397
1519-40-1646
122-93-11

1>8
2>7
3>6
4<5

1<5
2<3

3>5


And again, if you are on one of the said teams above, by all means, please respond.

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yeah. i respond.






:p

Re: Who are your top team picks this year?
 

I think your overlooking 968 to much...I personally believe that 968 was stronger than 254 from my scouting at nationals.

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So do I. However, I know alot of other teams werent as optomistic about 968 and would lean towards 254, because well, they are 254.

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Now that the interesting part. I've heard from a few people now that 968 was ranked higher on their boards, or that team X had 968 higher than 254, etc.
Maybe it was just because I wasn't physically there, or because I didn't quite see all of the Newton matches, but I (and a few others I know of) thought that 254 had clearly seperated themselves from 968. I still had 968 ranked very high, but behind 254. 254 had a better record, and seemed to be doing much better during qualification than 968 was. The poofs driver seemed to be slightly faster to react, and had more skill evading defenders from what I saw.
Care to explain why you had 968 higher?

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Luck?

254 probably got stuck against good teams one match while 968 had an easier time.

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968 was our #1 pick going in on Saturday. (Yes, higher than 111 and 25 and 254..) RAWC had a solid auto mode and seemed to hit shots from all over the field, while 254 had a sweet spot. Also it seemed like 968's hopper was able to pick up balls faster. Lastly, 968 and 254 were on the top of our list because of alliance dynamics. They could pick up from the floor or get human loaded, were very nimble, could shoot from the ramp, and could pick up balls faster than we could feed them into them.