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neilsonster 12-03-2007 09:11

Re: Top five, FLR edition
 
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Originally Posted by GRaduns340 (Post 595579)
I disagree with the second seed statement. I think 316, 1126, and 73 was a great alliance that should have gone much farther than they did. I think that alliance was very well selected, just got unlucky in the eliminations. I thoroughly expected that alliance to make it to the finals.

The 2nd allliance was indeed very well-rounded. I don't think they just got unlucky though. All they had to do to beat us was get on 316's platforms earlier (or at least be ready to be lifted in the last 15 seconds). By spending more time on the field they also drew penalties. I believe only two of the three robots on our alliance could reliably climb ramps, and one of the two (772) was the only robot on the alliance who could deploy two ramps, so we couldn't ever get more than 30 points.

I suppose this is all easier said than done, but you can't just lay it all on luck. You could say the same about any alliance who suffers an upset, but there's always a reason it happens.

The Lucas 12-03-2007 11:14

Re: Top five, FLR edition
 
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Originally Posted by neilsonster (Post 595613)
The 2nd allliance was indeed very well-rounded. I don't think they just got unlucky though. All they had to do to beat us was get on 316's platforms earlier (or at least be ready to be lifted in the last 15 seconds). By spending more time on the field they also drew penalties. I believe only two of the three robots on our alliance could reliably climb ramps, and one of the two (772) was the only robot on the alliance who could deploy two ramps, so we couldn't ever get more than 30 points.

I suppose this is all easier said than done, but you can't just lay it all on luck. You could say the same about any alliance who suffers an upset, but there's always a reason it happens.

The QF 3-3 (between the 2nd & 7th alliances) was decided by a 10 pt penalty when 316's lifts broke the plane of the home zone when they were realigning after being pushed around. That was a close and hard fought match, and congrats to alliance 7 for figuring out a winning strategy with 3 ramp bots.

This game is all about strategy. At FLR, it was the undefended ramp that won in elims. The 2 most consistent double ramps/lifters (316 in qf, 1518 in f) saw defense and lost to a single ramp. Moral of the story, always have one partner playing defense on your opponents ramp in the elims (unless you have a insurmountable tube lead with a minute left). I think ramp defense is often neglected since penalties are enforced in the last 15 sec in the home zone. However, those penalties don't apply if you can keep those bots out of the home zone and very few alliances can consisently ramp in under 15 sec.

kevin.li.rit 12-03-2007 17:53

Re: Top five, FLR edition
 
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Originally Posted by GRaduns340 (Post 595579)
I disagree with the second seed statement. I think 316, 1126, and 73 was a great alliance that should have gone much farther than they did. I think that alliance was very well selected, just got unlucky in the eliminations. I thoroughly expected that alliance to make it to the finals.

I think that 1405 772 and 1728 Just played better.

kevin.li.rit 12-03-2007 17:55

Re: Top five, FLR edition
 
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Originally Posted by neilsonster (Post 595613)
The 2nd allliance was indeed very well-rounded. I don't think they just got unlucky though. All they had to do to beat us was get on 316's platforms earlier (or at least be ready to be lifted in the last 15 seconds). By spending more time on the field they also drew penalties. I believe only two of the three robots on our alliance could reliably climb ramps, and one of the two (772) was the only robot on the alliance who could deploy two ramps, so we couldn't ever get more than 30 points.

I suppose this is all easier said than done, but you can't just lay it all on luck. You could say the same about any alliance who suffers an upset, but there's always a reason it happens.

Yeah too bad only one of our bots could climb.

CrosbyAR 12-03-2007 19:01

Re: Top five, FLR edition
 
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Originally Posted by macsrbetter36 (Post 595563)

The moral of this story: pick teams based on their abilities, not on their ranking.

And i would add make plan that best suits them.

KDawg 12-03-2007 19:43

Re: Top five, FLR edition
 
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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 587625)
596 isn't at FLR.

i was gonna say..didn't see them there..? ha

kevin.li.rit 12-03-2007 19:44

Re: Top five, FLR edition
 
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Originally Posted by KDawg (Post 596131)
i was gonna say..didn't see them there..? ha

Didn't you see the guy with the I'm with Nerd T-Shirt Walking around?


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