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Brandon Martus 07-03-2006 23:29

CD-Media
 
I'm enabling CD-Media .. things may show errors or be generally screwy for the next 30-60 minutes. Bear with me.

CD-Media is up! Finally!

I think it was last June when I made an announcement, letting you know that the days of not being able to search the white papers and picture galleries was over! 9 months later, ta-da.

First, I'll answer some FAQ:

Q: Is it done?
A: It is in a state that more than replaces the current photo/paper system.

Q: Can I use it?
A: Please do -- the old ones are gone.

Q: What if I find a problem?
A: Send me a PM with a detailed description of what you were doing, what browser you are using, what OS, and any information you can provide. Exact error messages are extremely helpful.

Q: How do I edit information?
A: If you uploaded the image/paper, then you can edit it. Click the title, description, or excerpt and the edit form will appear. Click 'Save' or 'Cancel' and you're done.

Q: What's a tag?
A: There is a bunch of info about tags in the FAQ (link up top). A tag is basically a keyword (or very small phrase) that will help group similar images, and make things very easily searchable. You can add a tag by clicking the tag button ().

Q: How do I get a Who-Am-I picture?
A: Upload an image. Give it the "Who Am I?" tag (double-quotes are required). Click the nametag ().

Q: How do I change my Who-Am-I?
A: Click the nametag () on any of your images, tagged with "Who Am I?".

Q: I see an incorrect tag -- what do I do?
A: Click the vote button (). Four unanimous votes pushes the change .. otherwise majority rules after 2 weeks (time/amt subject to change).

Q: What is the naming scheme for tagging a team (or team's bot) that appears in a picture?
A: frc47 .. frc234 .. frc229 .. frc111 .. fll25 .. fvc23 .. etc.


I have a lot of improvements and enhancements planned, but I wanted to get this out and start getting some feedback, bug reports, and make life easier when searching for things.

A few of the features that are new or improved, compared to the old systems:
1) Upload multiple images at a time.
2) Attach multiple files to a white paper, without having to zip them up.
3) Searching.
4) Tagging.

What now?

Tagging.
The White Papers are in desperate need of tagging.

Voting. Keep an eye on new tags .. when voting is available, the icon will show up. I will make a page, eventually, that you can visit to vote on pending tags.

Feedback & Suggestions. Let me know what is confusing, what needs improvements, what you like, what you don't like, what's broken, etc.

Improvements:

1) Already, I see that the tag cloud (the list of tags, where the more common ones are larger) is going to need to change. I wasn't thinking when I did it, and will be redesigning it tomorrow night. It kind of works, but not really.

2) When creating the square (small) thumbnails, it may chop it weird -- I'm working on a 're-thumbnail' option that lets you choose whether to take the sqaure chunk at the top, middle, or bottom of the image.

Barry Bonzack 07-03-2006 23:49

Re: CD-Media
 
Well that would answer a few questions. Thanks for all the work even late at night. Keep it up, can't wait for CD-Media to be in full swing.

Wetzel 07-03-2006 23:58

Re: CD-Media
 
Is that where the Who-Am-I pictures went?

EDIT:"CD-Media and old photo/papers are off while i import.. --brandon"
Guess so.

Wetzel

Brandon Martus 08-03-2006 00:01

Re: CD-Media
 
Yes. It's missing on purpose, but it looks like I accidentally lost the who-am-i data also .. I'm going to try my best to get it back. (your newest who-am-i will be set, you can always change it in CD-Media, so .. no biggie.)

Greg Ross 08-03-2006 02:59

Re: CD-Media
 
I added tags to http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/20681 (frc841 and "Regional Chairman's Award") and they showed up as hyphens!



(Should this be in the "Forum Help / Comments / Suggestions" sub-forum, now that CD-Media is live?)

Joe J. 08-03-2006 06:34

Re: CD-Media
 
Brandon,

CD-Media looks great!!
Thank You for ALL your hard work!!

JohnBoucher 08-03-2006 06:55

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I like it. Way cool, Brandon :cool:

Greg Needel 08-03-2006 07:33

Re: CD-Media
 
so i am really digging the fact that everyone's wai photo reverted to the first one that they updated....i mean look at big mikes (when he was little mike, which is still bigger then big Greg). Just wondering if everyone has to go in and change them or you can do a system wide setting and change them.


Greg

Ken Streeter 08-03-2006 07:37

Re: CD-Media
 
Tags -- these are a cool new feature, but it looks like there are still a few bugs to work out.

I tried to add the tag "frc663" to the photo at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23495 but it instead results in a "-" being added to the tag list. I see that others have had similar problems on other photos.

Joe J. 08-03-2006 07:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachStreeter

I tried to add the tag "frc663" to the photo at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23495 but it instead results in a "-" being added to the tag list. I see that others have had similar problems on other photos.

This has happened to me trying to tag several pics "frc862" & "frc465"

Ken Streeter 08-03-2006 07:41

Re: CD-Media
 
Another tag quirk -- the photo at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23472 was incorrectly tagged with "frc1296" but I don't see any way to delete the incorrect tag.

Swan217 08-03-2006 08:03

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachStreeter
Tags -- these are a cool new feature, but it looks like there are still a few bugs to work out.

I tried to add the tag "frc663" to the photo at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23495 but it instead results in a "-" being added to the tag list. I see that others have had similar problems on other photos.


Something to add about this, it seems to be connected to tags that were already added. For example, FRC111 would appear, because there have already been pictures with it tagged, while FRC217 would appear as a "-" because the tag doesn't exist yet(?)


::Update Edit:: Now FRC217 works as a tag. Maybe it takes a few seconds to get into the system? Still had to retag all of the "-" tags though.

Stu Bloom 08-03-2006 08:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachStreeter
Another tag quirk -- the photo at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23472 was incorrectly tagged with "frc1296" but I don't see any way to delete the incorrect tag.

If you go to the item's page and click on the little voting button in the tag window you can "vote" on the validity of that tag. As Brandon mentioned in his FAQ (above) -
Quote:

Four unanimous votes pushes the change .. otherwise majority rules after 2 weeks (time/amt subject to change).

Stu Bloom 08-03-2006 08:15

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Oh yeah ... and Brandon ...

FANTASTIC JOB!! This is a great enhancement - I love it! :yikes: :)

Brandon Martus 08-03-2006 08:19

Re: CD-Media
 
I just fixed the '-' .. I'll have to hunt down how that got in the system, and why the system started using it.

To remove invalid tags, you have to either vote them down (), or initate a voting sequence by clicking the little trash can next to them ().


Old Who-Am-I pictures .. whoops. Should be fixed now.


Bugs: using this thread works, for now.


More Tag FAQ:

  • Dispite their length, we are going to tag regionals with at least 4 tags. This will help group/browse by a specific regional, a specific year of that regional, and all regionals.

    -- 'Regional Name'
    -- 'Regional Name Year'
    -- 'regional'
    -- 'year'

    For example:

    "Great Lakes Regional" regional 2005 "Great Lakes Regional 2005"
  • Team numbers must be preceeded by 'frc' 'fll' 'fvc' .. ie: frc47 frc111 frc234 frc45

Stephen Kowski 08-03-2006 08:50

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wow this is pretty awesome brandon! i just tagged all my old photos, but this ability to search for pictures is gonna make using CD a lot more enjoyable.

dk5sm5luigi 08-03-2006 10:05

Re: CD-Media
 
So now that CD-Media is getting closer to complete how long until Ventures comes back?

Brandon Martus 08-03-2006 10:06

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Ventures will never be back -- it may be replaced by something, but time will tell.

Greg Marra 08-03-2006 11:40

Re: CD-Media
 
Amazing!

Great work! The tagging and interface is all incredibly easy to use.

Brandon Martus 08-03-2006 12:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Marra
Amazing!

Great work! The tagging and interface is all incredibly easy to use.

Cool, thanks.

Another feature that may not be apparent:
You can use vBCode in your descriptions & excerpts.

Elgin Clock 08-03-2006 12:31

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Cool, thanks.

Another feature that may not be apparent:
You can use vBCode in your descriptions & excerpts.

Speaking of code.. and not with CD-Media per-say, but in general on the site: Why is it that sometimes I see &quoteTEXT HERE &quote in some places rather than, I guess it's suppose to be "TEXT HERE" in actual quotes. Can some pages not read the " symbol?

I have seen it get generally better over time, but some places still exhibit this bad code reading ability.

Also, why is my WAI pic changed? Did the switchover change a lot of people's WAI pic by default for some reason??

Anyways, great job with CD-Media. Keep up the good work!!

Brandon Martus 08-03-2006 12:34

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The " is probably because of some transition between the older gallery -> old gallery -> CD-Media, and all of the changes/bug fixes/etc thoughout then.

I'll try to fix them one of these days.

WAI switched to your newest uploaded pic in the WAI old gallery -- you can always change it back.

Mike AA 08-03-2006 12:49

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
The " is probably because of some transition between the older gallery -> old gallery -> CD-Media, and all of the changes/bug fixes/etc thoughout then.

I'll try to fix them one of these days.

WAI switched to your newest uploaded pic in the WAI old gallery -- you can always change it back.

could this be from a copy/paste situation where it didn't take the " just the code version? possibly an easy find &quot in the code and change to " ? although 1GB of code is lots to search through, nevermind...

the way comments show up below pictures is really cool and nice, no need to click "continue discussion"

-Mike

Brandon Martus 08-03-2006 13:02

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
I'll try to fix them one of these days.

With a quick call to replace() in mysql, I think it's fixed. Let me know if you spot any others.

Papers
Changed: 75

Photos
Changed: 656

Mike AA 08-03-2006 13:25

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Weird anomaly. Using using FIRE FOX 1.5.0.1 winxp-pro

Some text when viewing all pictures, gets mixed up with the uploaded by possibly too much text or too large of text? Sorry, I don't know how to have a small picture/thumbnail instead of this large one :confused:




[img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/MIKE%7E1.MIK/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/img]

[edit] I just realized at the bottom it says "You may not post attachments" is this just me :o or is this disabled? another bug? :ahh:

Brandon Martus 08-03-2006 13:27

Re: CD-Media
 
Yeah, may have to make those boxes taller than they are wide to accomodate larger titles.

Ricky Q. 08-03-2006 16:45

Re: CD-Media
 
A note to uploaders, make sure you title your pictures. Otherwise the title just shows up as the file name.

(Brandon, force a title the image to submit for upload?)

Greg Ross 08-03-2006 18:58

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
With a quick call to replace() in mysql, I think it's fixed. Let me know if you spot any others.

Papers
Changed: 75

Photos
Changed: 656

The same problem exists with "&"s (should be "&"s)

Brandon Martus 09-03-2006 10:28

Re: CD-Media
 
A few more things ..

Discussion threads all go into the "Extra Discussion" forum, for now. If you want them moved, I've given everybody the ability to move threads out of that forum -- once out, you must have privileges in the destination forum to move it again. You can move by clicking 'Thread Tools' in the upper right, and then 'Move Thread' should be there. I've disabled deleting of posts & threads in that forum, since if a discussion thread is deleted .. CD-Media will freak out. CD-Media is aware of the thread and will prevent errors, but the thread is not aware of CD-Media and will leave things in an invalid state (for now).

Please remember to use double quotes when tagging names and other 2-3 word phrases.

Don't tag names of people that worked on the robot, or took the picture of the robot -- only include add their name if they are in the photo or discussed in the White Paper (Chairman's Award Essays, etc).

Please add a good title to your images -- it defaults to the file name, but you are encouraged to change it on the next screen, as well as add a description.

Greg Perkins 09-03-2006 18:41

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Not to be a buzzkill...but I personally, do not really like it. I mean I know my voice isn't going to change it, so I know I'm going to have to deal with it (which I'm not complaining about, cuz heck...free speech in the US, correct?). Just thought that you should know.
Still love CD though,

Greg Perkins

Greg Ross 09-03-2006 18:57

Re: CD-Media
 
Greg,

Would you mind sharing WHAT it is you don't like about it? Perhaps share what would make it better for you?

Brandon Martus 09-03-2006 20:47

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
Greg,

Would you mind sharing WHAT it is you don't like about it? Perhaps share what would make it better for you?

Yes -- please do. Your voice could change it, especially if you can provide some suggestions for usability enhancements, etc. I'm definitely open for suggestions, concerns, problems, etc.

If you just don't like change .. I'm not so sure I can help you out there.

Greg Perkins 09-03-2006 21:59

Re: CD-Media
 
Nah, it's just like getting a new car...Say you've driven an automatic all of your life, and you feel rebelious and proceed to get a 5 speed manual. It takes some time to get used to. Undoubtly in like a month, I'll probably change my mind and actually use it and appreciate it; as for now, being a virgin to it, I'm still a little afraid to get my feet wet. My dislike is the same as if you've driven a standard for years, and on a buisness trip you have to rent a crappy rental car. Say, a Plymouth Horizon...which happens to be an automatic. You'll be cursing at it, trying to find the imaginary clutch, and fiddling around with the knobs. Thats me right now, I usually don't adapt well to change, so throwing this all at once (granted it's not done) is just a little hard to take in.
I have a completely irrelevant suggestion Brandon, the image attachment thing...improve it please? Sometimes I'll upload an attachment...and it will never show. So I upload it again, and behold...Doesn't work!

Sorry, Just want to clear it up.

~Greg

Brandon Martus 09-03-2006 22:39

Re: CD-Media
 
"image attachment thing" refers to what ..

Attachments in threads, CD-Media papers, or CD-Media photo ..

Greg Perkins 09-03-2006 22:43

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
"image attachment thing" refers to what ..

Attachments in threads, CD-Media papers, or CD-Media photo ..

Attachements in threads...sorry about not specifying (thought there was only 1)

Brandon Martus 09-03-2006 22:53

Re: CD-Media
 
Next time it happens, send me a PM with the error message it is giving you (if any) and maybe e-mail me the file and I can try to attach it. I haven't heard of anybody else having trouble, but who knows ..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Perkins
Attachements in threads...sorry about not specifying (thought there was only 1)


Brandon Martus 10-03-2006 10:52

Re: CD-Media
 
A few more changes/enhancements made last night:

1) You can delete your own tag additions if there has been no voting. I've made mistakes adding tags and I hate that I have to wait for someone to vote it down. So now, if you add a tag 'frc47' and you meant 'frc74' you can delete it (before someone votes yes/no).

2) I added Who-Am-I and avatars to the user info under the title. This serves two purposes: recognition based on avatar/whoami, as well as giving more room for longer titles. Let me know if this screwed up any spacing or anything in your browser.

3) You can move your own discussion threads out of the 'Extra Discussion' forum, into a more relevant/prominent place in the forums. If it's a picture of your bot, move it to the Robot Showcase subforum. If it's a paper dealing with motors, move it to the Motors subforum. The picture gallery moderators will be helping keep this organized, too.

That's all for now -- thanks!

Brandon Martus 10-03-2006 13:50

Re: CD-Media
 
One of the great things about CD-Media (from a development standpoint) is how easy it is to make a list.

At lunch today, I came up with six quick lists that will help you tag items with no tags & vote on pending tags. All of these pages, and more, that provide miscellaneous functionality will be listed on a page linked in the upper right, under everything, labeled misc. Once that page starts to get more content, it will probably look a little better than it does now.

So if you're bored, and want to tag some items, or vote on some tags, that's the place to start.

nehalita 12-03-2006 19:02

Re: CD-Media
 
Question:

can you add in under help the standard format for a scrimmage?

Billfred 12-03-2006 21:02

Re: CD-Media
 
Alright, a request for everyone who's tagging.

You know that little box that appears next to the field to add new tags? READ IT. I've had to vote against about 1,293 different tags that, while the information was right, was formatted entirely incorrectly.

Remember: FRC1293 (not 1293), "Great Lakes Regional" (not Great Lakes Regional--the quotes count--or GLR), and add in all the proper fields for a regional (for example, "2006" "Florida Regional" "Florida Regional 2006" and "Regional").

Thanks to everyone who is tagging the right way, though!

<edit>By the way, I tried to tag http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23584 with fvc80, but it instead gave me a comma as the tag. Is this a bug or feature or somewhere in between?</edit>

Clark Gilbert 12-03-2006 22:05

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I'm also getting the "comma" bug. It some of the pictures have a ton of commas on them.

nehalita 12-03-2006 22:08

Re: CD-Media
 
I got that a lot of commas too... it seems that phrases that aren't pre-approved (or something) aren't accepted. For example, when I try to tag photos, the only name accepted is the person in the photo (or something like that).

sanddrag 13-03-2006 00:48

Re: CD-Media
 
I noticed a lot of pictures are getting just the name of the image file as the title. When picture discussion threads come around, they get the same thing making for inefficient browsing. Do we need to force the uploader to enter a custom title?

Greg Ross 13-03-2006 01:28

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag
Do we need to force the uploader to enter a custom title?

I was thinking the same thing. I vote that the uploader be required to enter a title.

Brandon Martus 13-03-2006 08:42

Re: CD-Media
 
'Require a title' will need some re-work of the photo upload, since it's on a separate step. I will probably end up moving it all to one step, but for now .. :shrug:

The 'comma' tag is a bug -- we saw it previously with the '-' bug. I increased some debugging in my log files to catch it -- I'll have to investigate later today.

I'll be adding a 'Tagging Standards / Style Guide' to the FAQ, eventually, which will outline the proper way(s) to tag items. Hopefully I'll have that started in the next day or two.

-Brandon

Billfred 13-03-2006 08:52

Re: CD-Media
 
For what it's worth, the comma bug seems to show up on less-commonly-tagged items. FRC1712 tags fine, as does Robot, but I can't get anything FVC to work (FVC111, FVC96, FVC123, etc.), and those wouldn't have been tagged that way before. (I uploaded the only FVC Orangeburg images that I know of, and none were tagged with anything other than the ones from when they were imported from the old gallery.)

Brandon Martus 13-03-2006 09:05

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred
For what it's worth, the comma bug seems to show up on less-commonly-tagged items. FRC1712 tags fine, as does Robot, but I can't get anything FVC to work (FVC111, FVC96, FVC123, etc.), and those wouldn't have been tagged that way before. (I uploaded the only FVC Orangeburg images that I know of, and none were tagged with anything other than the ones from when they were imported from the old gallery.)

I'm 90% sure I found the comma bug -- let me know if it re-appears.

Billfred 13-03-2006 09:15

Re: CD-Media
 
Looks to be working again. Thanks!

Greg Marra 13-03-2006 11:11

Re: CD-Media
 
I guess one of the problems I am noticing with the new CD Media system is that a LOT more photos are being uploaded. This means that they get knocked off of the front page really quickly and I don't get to see them all.

There's not really much you can do about it, but I wish there was an easier way to browse all the new photos since the last time I logged in.

Brandon Martus 13-03-2006 11:51

Re: CD-Media
 
I could probably figure out and use the same method that vBulletin uses to show new threads .. I'll add it to my list.

Billfred 13-03-2006 19:11

Re: CD-Media
 
I noticed a bit of a bug. I went to http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23665, but 23664 is another picture of me. The latter doesn't show. But when I click the one before (the one of Ashley Weed) and then click next, I get 23664 (the one with me giving the cheesy thumbs-up).

By the way, is there any way to take one of those pictures and make it my WAI?

nehalita 13-03-2006 20:28

Re: CD-Media
 
2 things.

For some reason I was trying to add a tag just now and the system would "add" it and the tag would never show up. It seemed to eat up my suggestion. Don't know if this is temporary or not. (i used quotes)

I just found a few pictures where someone forgot to use quotes and there are about 20 words used. Can you put a limit on the number of tags or have some alert to moderate it? Just voting no to every single word seems like it can be avoided otherwise.

Otherwise I love it. I think i spend too much time on it.

Brandon Martus 13-03-2006 20:31

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nehalita
2 things.

For some reason I was trying to add a tag just now and the system would "add" it and the tag would never show up. It seemed to eat up my suggestion. Don't know if this is temporary or not. (i used quotes)

I just found a few pictures where someone forgot to use quotes and there are about 20 words used. Can you put a limit on the number of tags or have some alert to moderate it? Just voting no to every single word seems like it can be avoided otherwise.

Otherwise I love it. I think i spend too much time on it.

For now, vote against all of them -- the bad ones will go away soon.

I'm going to be adding a little helper that pops under the tag box, suggesting tags for you as you type (similar to Google Suggest, but not as cool). I'm hoping this will help out those who may not know the normal/usual/proper tags to use on some of these photos.

If it doesn't add .. it may think it's already there. Send me PMs with links to the photo/paper you've had issues with and I'll scan the error logs for what happened. Without a link, though, I can't find it (it's huge!).

Thanks!

Brandon Martus 13-03-2006 20:40

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred
I noticed a bit of a bug. I went to http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23665, but 23664 is another picture of me. The latter doesn't show. But when I click the one before (the one of Ashley Weed) and then click next, I get 23664 (the one with me giving the cheesy thumbs-up).

Weird -- it's because the upload date/time is exactly the same on them -- it only happens 40some times out of 11k photos. I'm guessing since we allow multiple uploads this problem will just increase. I'm workin on it ..


Quote:

By the way, is there any way to take one of those pictures and make it my WAI?
FAQ ;) (add "who am i" tag, then the little name tag icon will show up to make it your WAI)

Jessica Boucher 14-03-2006 09:18

Re: CD-Media
 
Please keep the user in mind when tagging. For instance, I was tagging the state maps I made a while back, and realized that not only should they be tagged by full state name, but also by state abbreviation, since both are possible to be searched upon.

(Unless we make a rule about it. As far as I know, there is none.)

Additional note: Maine's state abbreviation, ME, gets entered as "me", which some have already started using as a tag.

Brandon Martus 14-03-2006 09:44

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Yes, 'ME' should be for maine, and "Who Am I?" should be used for 'me'. I"ll update the case of "ME" to reflect that.

I think adding both 'Maine' and 'ME' is a good idea. We already add three or four tags for regionals -- the more we have, the better it is (within reason, of course).

Brandon Martus 14-03-2006 14:04

Re: CD-Media
 
I need some input on some ideas I had, please

Should we allow people to retract and/or change their votes on tags? Sometimes, after thinking about it (or after making a mistake) I've wanted to change my vote. Should this be allowed, if so, when? ..is your vote final, and let others form a majority and pass/fail the tag addition?

Should I add in notification (via email) on any of the following:
-Your image gets a new tag.
-Your tag gets voted on.
-Your tag makes it through the voting cycle.
-Your tag doesn't make it through the voting cycle.
-Your tag gets put back through a voting cycle (essentially a delete).
-A tag you voted on gets voted on.
-A tag you voted 'yes' on gets a majority 'no'.
-A tag you voted 'no' on gets a majority 'yes'.

Greg Needel 14-03-2006 14:07

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
I need some input on some ideas I had, please

Should we allow people to retract and/or change their votes on tags? Sometimes, after thinking about it (or after making a mistake) I've wanted to change my vote. Should this be allowed, if so, when? ..is your vote final, and let others form a majority and pass/fail the tag addition?

Should I add in notification (via email) on any of the following:
-Your image gets a new tag.
-Your tag gets voted on.
-Your tag makes it through the voting cycle.
-Your tag doesn't make it through the voting cycle.
-Your tag gets put back through a voting cycle (essentially a delete).
-A tag you voted on gets voted on.
-A tag you voted 'yes' on gets a majority 'no'.
-A tag you voted 'no' on gets a majority 'yes'.


I think voting should act like a poll or rep, Once you click it it is over.

as for the notification system i am all for it as long as you can turn it off in your user cp

Brandon Martus 14-03-2006 14:10

Re: CD-Media
 
I could also possibly provide these as lists.

KyleGilbert45 14-03-2006 14:10

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel
I think voting should act like a poll or rep, Once you click it it is over.

I agree with this. Once you vote, it should be final.

Maybe you can make those stats about your tags/images available within the User CP. Having them sent via email is ok, as long as I can turn the option off.

Brandon Martus 14-03-2006 16:32

Re: CD-Media
 
Every tag in the tag box (to the right of the image/paper) is a link, which takes you to more photos (or papers) with that tag.

Some of you may know, others may not realize that the star () to the left of the tag takes you to all media with that tag.

Flickr uses a little globe for something similar to this (public vs private tags). I didn't want to rip them off (completely ;)), so I went with a star, but I'm not really liking it.

If you have any ideas for an icon that could show up there, please send me a PM with them -- either a word explanation, or an icon if you're feeling creative (10x10 transparent gif or png).

Thanks. :)

nehalita 14-03-2006 16:44

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Should we allow people to retract and/or change their votes on tags?

I know i've wanted to change my vote but it seems too much of a hassle. The mere option that we can challenge tags even after they are approved should be sufficient
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Should I add in notification (via email) on any of the following:
-Your image gets a new tag
-Your tag gets voted on.
-Your tag makes it through the voting cycle.
-Your tag doesn't make it through the voting cycle.
-Your tag gets put back through a voting cycle (essentially a delete).
-A tag you voted on gets voted on.
-A tag you voted 'yes' on gets a majority 'no'.
-A tag you voted 'no' on gets a majority 'yes'.

Actually, if you can make a little stats page where we can enter if we want to, that would be cool. It could be on our cp (just like reps where we can view them at our leisure). It could also be a separate page in cd-media. So, we can view it. I don't think all categories are necessary though (for ex: -A tag you voted on gets voted on. ... there's just too many)

This way it's not in our way but we can still view it at our leisure. You can even make it so we can decide what we want to show up on our "cd-media tag stats" page.

KyleGilbert45 14-03-2006 20:02

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Some of you may know, others may not realize that the star () to the left of the tag takes you to all media with that tag.

Ha, didn't realize that. I just thought it was for decoration. Maybe it should just be an orange dot.

artdutra04 14-03-2006 20:31

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
FAQ ;) (add "who am i" tag, then the little name tag icon will show up to make it your WAI)

Do we have to upload the picture ourselves, or can we use a picture someone else uploaded as our WAI? I was thinking of changing my WAI to this, but when I tried adding a "Who am I" tag, it does not work. (The WAI icon will not appear.) I really don't want to re-upload the same image if it is unnecessary.

Goldeye 14-03-2006 22:14

Re: CD-Media
 
When trying to view a paper, CD-Media requests that I log in, but it does not accept my login, and I had to back up and use the top-right quick login.

Brandon Martus 14-03-2006 22:35

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldeye
When trying to view a paper, CD-Media requests that I log in, but it does not accept my login, and I had to back up and use the top-right quick login.

Whoops -- guests can download, too. I've removed that restriction.

Brandon Martus 14-03-2006 22:36

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by artdutra04
Do we have to upload the picture ourselves, or can we use a picture someone else uploaded as our WAI? I was thinking of changing my WAI to this, but when I tried adding a "Who am I" tag, it does not work. (The WAI icon will not appear.) I really don't want to re-upload the same image if it is unnecessary.

It has to be a picture you uploaded -- if you want another one set as your WAI, send me a PM with a link to it and I can make it happen.

Brandon Martus 14-03-2006 22:38

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nehalita
Actually, if you can make a little stats page where we can enter if we want to, that would be cool.

I was thinking, after I posted, that a general "my stats" page, or some kind of dashboard page would be better than all those notifications. Good idea ;)

Brandon Martus 15-03-2006 11:26

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred
I noticed a bit of a bug. I went to http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23665, but 23664 is another picture of me. The latter doesn't show. But when I click the one before (the one of Ashley Weed) and then click next, I get 23664 (the one with me giving the cheesy thumbs-up)

This 'next/previous' bug should be fixed now. Please let me know if you see anything weird happening.

-Brandon

Greg Ross 15-03-2006 12:15

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
This 'next/previous' bug should be fixed now. Please let me know if you see anything weird happening.

-Brandon

It's not fixed. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23666 still points to 23664 as its "next". It should be 23665.
Code:

prev        URL                                                next
23669        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23668        23667
23668        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23667        23666
23667        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23666        23664
23666        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23665        23664
23665        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23664        23663
23664        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23663        23662
23663        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23662        23661
23662        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23661        23660


nehalita 15-03-2006 17:21

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Some of you may know, others may not realize that the star () to the left of the tag takes you to all media with that tag.

how about a target symbol? cute, tiny, simple...

another thing, is there any standard format for teams with 1/2 digits?
i noticed a tag or two with something like "frc004" instead of "frc4"
should there be a preference?

Billfred 15-03-2006 17:35

Re: CD-Media
 
I'd say have it as it's listed with FIRST: frc1293, frc343, frc47, frc7. Keeps things simpler.

Brandon Martus 15-03-2006 17:42

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred
I'd say have it as it's listed with FIRST: frc1293, frc343, frc47, frc7. Keeps things simpler.

I agree to using the smaller (frc47, frc1, frc33, etc) -- although technically we could (once the tag editor is up) alias them all so that frc0047 = frc47 and could be used interchangeably.

nehalita 15-03-2006 18:05

Re: CD-Media
 
so for now should we leave the "complex" ones alone or reject it and add the other?

Greg Ross 15-03-2006 20:42

Re: CD-Media
 
When I do a search, or click on a tag, I get a bunch of thumbnails. That's good. I find it a little disconcerting though, that I can't click on one of the thumbnails, and then just "prev" and "next" to navigate the pictures. What are the chances that you could implement such a feature?

Brandon Martus 16-03-2006 09:23

Re: CD-Media
 
By tag .. maybe.
By search .. very possible. I meant to do this, but it fell through before it went live.

I'll add those to my list of enhancements to figure out & implement.

Brandon Martus 16-03-2006 09:24

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nehalita
so for now should we leave the "complex" ones alone or reject it and add the other?


Add them as the simple ones. Don't reject the complex ones, though, I can always change them (either by alias or by renaming them altogether). Just make sure one is there .. preferably the simple (frc7, frc47, etc)

Greg Ross 16-03-2006 18:33

Re: CD-Media
 
I just found another slew of these:
Code:

prev        URL                                                next        Uploader
        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23763        23761        Clark Gilbert
23763        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23762        23761        Clark Gilbert
23762        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23761        23760        Clark Gilbert
23761        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23760        23757        Clark Gilbert
23760        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23759        23757        Clark Gilbert
23759        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23758        23757        Clark Gilbert
23758        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23757        23755        Clark Gilbert
23757        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23756        23755        Clark Gilbert
23756        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23755        23754        Clark Gilbert
23755        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23754        23753        Clark Gilbert
23754        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23753        23752        Wigginsgame
23753        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23752        23749        Bill Bennett
23752        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23751        23749        Bill Bennett
23751        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23750        23749        Bill Bennett
23750        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23749        23747        Bill Bennett
23749        http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23748        23747        Bill Bennett

I'm thinking that this problem may be related to uploading pictures in batches. The ones with the uploader in blue appear to have been uploaded in batches, since their create times are bunched.

[edit]
And a possibly related symptom: When I click on "photos", the thumbnails that get displayed are out of order:
Code:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23763
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23761
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23762
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23760
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23757
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23758
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23759
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23755
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23756
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23754
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23753
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23752
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23749
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23750
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23751
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23747

[/edit]

Joel J 16-03-2006 18:41

Re: CD-Media
 
does adding an additional param to the SQL query solve this?

Like: SORT BY uploaddate DESC id DESC, or something like that?

I don't know what's going on under the hood, but I remember having a problem like this one, and I solved it by adding the id, and mirroring the sort direction from the date.

Cyberguy34000 16-03-2006 18:52

Re: CD-Media
 
Just an idea...

How about a "Tags:*** " counter for users, displayed underneath the counter for how many posts a user has made? There's space.

It could kind of serve as another indicator of how involved people are in the community, it could also be a nice incentive to for people to help out.

What do you think?

Brandon Martus 17-03-2006 07:39

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberguy34000
Just an idea...

How about a "Tags:*** " counter for users, displayed underneath the counter for how many posts a user has made? There's space.

It could kind of serve as another indicator of how involved people are in the community, it could also be a nice incentive to for people to help out.

What do you think?

I am planning on putting some CD-Media things in the profile -- I'll think about adding those.

One thing I will definitely add is a 'Search for CD-Media items uploaded by this user' quick-link.

Brandon Martus 17-03-2006 07:43

Re: CD-Media
 
Joel, you and Greg are dead on -- they all have the same upload date, so they aren't ordered properly. I added the ID yesterday and it didn't work for some reason, but I think I made a typo or something. :)

Should be fixed this time, for real.

Brandon Martus 17-03-2006 15:22

Re: CD-Media
 
I went ahead and made the photo upload page similar to the paper upload page. The big difference is: you have to put a title in with every image you upload. The rest is pretty much the same.

Let me know if there are any issues with it -- I'll check later tonight or early tomorrow morning.

Greg Ross 17-03-2006 16:32

CD-Media "feature report" & some questions
 
(I hope none of this is already covered in the FAQ. :rolleyes: )

This may be a feature or a bug. I'll let you make the call: When you click on "tags" under "everything", the list of "All Tags" is in alphabetical order. But if you click on "tags" under "photos" or "papers", the "All Tags" list is out of order. (Maybe it's in order by popularity or by date added.)

A question about tag popularity: Is it figured according to how many items receive a tag, or by how many clicks the tag receives?

A couple more questions about deleting tags:
  • When I vote to delete a tag, am I voting to delete the tag from the system, or just from the picture/paper.
  • (Is this the difference between a vote to delete via the "Vote on tag changes" button, and a request to delete a tag via the "delete tag" trash can icon?)
  • Why does the trash can icon show up on some tags and not others?

Brandon Martus 17-03-2006 16:40

Re: CD-Media "feature report" & some questions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
This may be a feature or a bug. I'll let you make the call: When you click on "tags" under "everything", the list of "All Tags" is in alphabetical order. But if you click on "tags" under "photos" or "papers", the "All Tags" list is out of order. (Maybe it's in order by popularity or by date added.)

I still have to rewrite the tag clouds .. so I haven't been paying enough attention to them. The most popular ones (tag is used the most) are listed first, but that will probably change to be alphabetical system-wide.

Quote:

A question about tag popularity: Is it figured according to how many items receive a tag, or by how many clicks the tag receives?
How many items are tagged with that particular tag.

Quote:

When I vote to delete a tag, am I voting to delete the tag from the system, or just from the picture/paper.
From just that item.

Quote:

(Is this the difference between a vote to delete via the "Vote on tag changes" button, and a request to delete a tag via the "delete tag" trash can icon?)
When voting via the trash can, you are essentially removing it from the item, and then adding it again with 1 'delete' vote. If it truly should be deleted, two more deletes will get rid of it for good (from that item). When you vote to remove via the 'add/remove/abstain' page, it is already in voting process and you are just voicing yes/no ..

Quote:

Why does the trash can icon show up on some tags and not others?
It won't show up if it is currently being voted on. It won't show up for 'Who Am I' that is not your own, just yet (whoami weirdness prevents it from happening).

nehalita 19-03-2006 19:07

Re: CD-Media "feature report" & some questions
 
is there any option of having an "add all tags" option when voting? or perhaps one that selects "add" for everyone on that page and then we can just select which ones we want to delete out of that pool?

...it's not really THAT big of a deal but if it's a few lines of code it'd be cool. don't sweat it if it's too much =)

Greg Marra 24-03-2006 18:33

Re: CD-Media
 
Escaped characters don't seem to be handled very well.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24031?

Ken Leung 25-03-2006 21:49

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Marra
Escaped characters don't seem to be handled very well.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24031?

Yeah, I just noticed this as well... When I put a 's in the title, it ended up showing \'s for some reason.

Brandon Martus 27-03-2006 09:34

Re: CD-Media
 
Must be a bug in the newly redesigned photo upload process .. I'll take a look at it later on ..

Thanks :)

Greg Ross 28-03-2006 10:53

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Must be a bug in the newly redesigned photo upload process .. I'll take a look at it later on ..

Thanks :)

The same thing happened to me. I put an apostrophe in the title of a picture that I uploaded, and it showed up escaped. I was able to edit out the backslash easily enough, though.

Brandon Martus 28-03-2006 11:21

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
The same thing happened to me. I put an apostrophe in the title of a picture that I uploaded, and it showed up escaped. I was able to edit out the backslash easily enough, though.

Yep .. should be all fixed, now.

Greg Ross 28-03-2006 19:09

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Discussion threads all go into the "Extra Discussion" forum, for now. If you want them moved, I've given everybody the ability to move threads out of that forum... You can move by clicking 'Thread Tools' in the upper right, and then 'Move Thread'...

Brandon,

Is this still how this is supposed to work? I haven't been able to find a "Move Thread" link yet. I have tried both with a discussion I started, and with a discussion started by someone else of a picture I posted.

Brandon Martus 28-03-2006 21:10

Re: CD-Media
 
Yes, it should work like that. You can find the move-thread in this menu:



(note: my view has a few more options than a normal user's would)

Billfred 28-03-2006 21:55

Re: CD-Media
 
I'm just wondering, is there a way to add a small "Jump to Tag" box on the tags pages that would take you directly to all the tags tagged with what you enter? It would seem to make finding things by tag worlds easier.

Greg Ross 29-03-2006 01:26

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
Yes, it should work like that.

When I pull down the Thread Tools menu, I don't see an Admin Tools section:

It's the same whether using IE6 on Win2k, or IE7 beta on WinXP.

KyleGilbert45 29-03-2006 02:18

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
When I pull down the Thread Tools menu, I don't see an Admin Tools section:.

Same thing is happening for me. I don't see any "extra" tools.

I'm running Opera v8.52 and WinXP

Jay H 237 30-03-2006 20:47

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
When I pull down the Thread Tools menu, I don't see an Admin Tools section

After reading GW's post I looked into something. From what I can tell it does exist as long as you're the first poster (or become) in that thread. With this thread I have a Admin tools section. The Admin tools section doesn't show up when I'm out of that thread.


Brandon, my view has the same number options as yours. It appears I can also close it, make it a sticky, ect. My view and drop down options are exactly the same as yours.

Greg Ross 31-03-2006 00:02

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay H 237
...my view has the same number [of] options as yours. It appears I can also close it, make it a sticky, [etc.] My view and drop down options are exactly the same as yours.

Brandon, did you change something? The Admin Tools show up now on this discussion thread started by chimere.

Is seems to me that they should show up for the person who starts the discussion, not for the person who posts the picture.

Brandon Martus 31-03-2006 06:35

Re: CD-Media
 
That's not something I can control (easily), unfortunately.

Right now, you can only moderate threads where you are the first person to post (so, only if it's your media object).

Greg Ross 31-03-2006 10:44

Re: CD-Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus
That's not something I can control (easily), unfortunately.

Right now, you can only moderate threads where you are the first person to post (so, only if it's your media object).

OK. No biggie.

I successfully moved a thread. It worked as expected. This thread doesn't show the Admin tools though. Is that because the picture was uploaded before CD-Media? (Or the discussion thread was started before then.)


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