2006 SBPLI Long Island Regional
 

2 weeks to go and I'm as excited as ever, but with so much planning to still do. I'm glad Hofstra took FIRST again, Sufolk Community College was a long drive with little seating.

Who else is looking foward to the LI Regional? I'm seeing a few of the Long Island robots on the other webcasts and I'm getting excited in facing them again.

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we will be there also but I happen to prefer Suffolk not for how much closer for us it is because I realize it is not closer for everyone. My reason for preferring Suffolk is the food there was a better value and I also felt the pits were more spacious there.

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Team 545 is going to SBPLI. I prefer Hofstra because of the location, but I was not happy with the food or pit size last year. I heard that Hofstra will have shuttle buses this year to take people to the main cafeteria during lunch.

Hopefully, the pits will be larger.

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Allright, tomorrow makes the day. Who's ready and raring to go, and who's still struggling to get supplies together?

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Well I feel its time to say good luck to all teams competing and see you there and to anyone else competing elsewhere good luck to you as well.

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OK, so what teams look good at the SBPLI regional? anyone? anyone?????

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I'm pretty impressed with 417s ball collector, it's like a vacuum cleaner!

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I thought 329 and some others that I don't remember the number of (sorry about that) were great

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Is there any update on this regional? The FIRST data is not online and I haven't seen anyone comment on it...

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Another poorly updated regional.
You'd think FIRST would be able to make sure the information is available.

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QF1
358, 271, and 870 vs. 1019, 564, and a third robot my dad couldn't see in the quarterfinal. 358 was first seed and their alliance just advanced to the semifinal. The score in the second match was 68 - 6.

QF1
417, 545, 500 vs. 533, 28, 566 in the opposite quarter final match. 417, 545, 500 advances.

QF3
1606, 102, 570 vs. 527, 287, 1635. 527, 287, 1635 wins QF3-1.

QF4
569, 270, 1803 vs. 1468, 353, 329.

SF1-1
358, 271, 870 vs. 417, 545, 500. 358, 271, 870 wins first match 71 - 50. 417, 545, 500 alliance wins second match, wherein 358 was tipped and 271 did not move. 358, 271, 870 advance to finals.

Finals:
358, 271, 870 vs. 1468, 353, 329

F1-1 goes to 358, 271, 870 with a score of 96 to 52.
F1-2 goes to 1468, 353, 329.
F1-3, 358's shooter is broken, 271 steps up and shoots ~10.

Holy crap. It's a tie. 58-58. They're getting ready to run the fourth match of the finals now.

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Match 5. This is absurd.

Teams 358 and 271 switched their robot's starting position at the last moment and the referees are calling for a rematch of the fourth match in the finals.

Aside from being all powerful, what justification do the referees have in making that sort of call? Specifically, what rules are there governing the placement of the robots before a match begins? I admit to being rusty in this area.

Edit: My dad's unclear on explicitly why the rematch was called, for what it's worth, but everything seems to point to the switch.

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Apparently that is an actual rule as Greg Needel had pointed out to me and he's going to be head ref in Isreal so he must know what he's talking about.

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The rule is that you have to put your robot in the position that you told the queueing manager before the match. This is to prevent the sort of last-minute switching that you describe.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=104

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T09 for anyone else who's curious.

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It was a Q&A... I'm not sure if it was in the original rules. I've edited my original post with the supporting information.

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Congratulations to teams 358, 271, and 870 for winning the 2006 SBPLI Long Island Regional after five matches.

Congratulations also to their opponents, teams 1468, 353, and 329.

Wow.

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Is there any chance anyone who is there can be contacted so the official information can be released?

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Are you referencing the website as official information? It may be that the facility doesn't have internet access, so the scores aren't being updated. I'm not sure who's running scoring there this year, so I can't be sure.

In any case, FIRST will upload the data as soon as they're able to. I was on the telephone with my family in the stands, so I know at least that the information is accurate, if not official.

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Well I hope so.
Because last yer if it wasn't updated when the event was occuring it wasn't updated at all (remember So Cal last year? Not one ounce of information was officially released). I hope that isn't the case this year.

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Who was the alliance captain of the winning alliance? What seed did they pick as?

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358 was first seed and the alliance captain.

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THANK YOU teams 358, and 870! You guys were amazing!

Yes, if we hadn't have won after 5 matches, there probably would have been a riot, it was almost statistically impossible for the final match to be delayed that long. Seriously, there were people ready to leave if it had gone longer.

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For those of you who want to know, this is the list of the award winning teams. Congratulations to all of the following teams for winning today! I think these are all the teams that won awards today, but I'm not sure, so please correct me if I'm wrong or feel free to add on if I forgot a team.

#358, #271, #870 for winning the SBPLI Regional Championship
#1468, #353, #329 for winning the SBPLI Regional Finalists
#514 for winning the Chairman's Award
#564 for winning the Autodesk Visualization Award
#287 for winning the Daimler Chrysler Team Spirit Award
#1601 for winning the Engineering Inspiration Award
#102 for winning the General Motors Industrial Design Award
#1803 for winning the Highest Rookie Seed Award and the Rookie All Star Award
#870 for winning the Imagery Award
#1546 for winning the Johnson and Johnson Sportsmanship Award
#1635 for winning the Website Award
#514 for winning the Woodie Flowers Finalist Award

I don't remember who won the Judges Awards. Ahh, again, I'm sorry for the teams that I forgot! This is just off the top of my head too, so I'm cool for remembering at least this much, right? Congratulations to everyone and for those teams who are going, I wish you the best of luck at nationals!

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Sorry for correcting you, but 271 did not win the spirit award, I think that we would be the LAST ones to win that :o

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haha oops it was 287. How did I mess that one up? William Floyd and Aviation High were SO full of spirit :)

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Hey everyone. 1468 here to clear up what happened in the finals.

By Match 3 it was tied up 1-1 each. That round ended in a tie wich led to Match 4.

When Match 4 began the Blue Alliance dumped 10 balls in the goal and the Red Alliance shot 2 balls in the upper goal. However, even though Blue won autonomous, the computer gave the Auto. win to Red. Because of that, it went to Match 5, which Blue lost.

On a side note, during Match 4 Hauppauge's robot went through the lower goal. Unfortunatley, we didn't realize about calling it until after we called the autonomous error and started Match 5. If we called the lower goal immediatley, we could've DQ'ed the entire Red Alliance and won.

And on another side note, if anyone noticed, during the semi-finals, we switched our human player. I was the original human player, but right before Match 2 of the semi-finals, I sprained my back loading 329's robot with balls, and had to subtittute with one of our mechanics. Not that I'm complaining, but he threw with the light off, which may be one reason why we tied in Match 3 of the finals.

To all teams going to Georgia, good luck, god speed, and have fun representing Long Island.

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How were you in any position to disqualify the opposing alliance?

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We saw that Hauppauge's robot had passed through the bottom goal during Match 4 by more than 3 inches.

And I appologize if I'm incorrect about any of this as I was on the sidelines injured, but I beleive that during the finals an incursion such as this is disqualification for either the alliance or just the one robot. Again, I'm sorry if I'm trying to be nasty about this. We give all our support to Hauppauge and the other Red Alliance teams, but this is just one little quirk that could've been said, but didn't. Regardless, congrats to the entire Red alliance for their victory.

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Irrespective of what you saw, your team is no position to disqualify another alliance. I guess I just misunderstood your intent to point out the potential rule infraction to the referees who would then, y'know, do their job.

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S'alright. I'm probably missing some piece of this puzzle since I was injured, but yeah, we did try to bring this to the refferees' attention to have something done, but at that point the Autonomous problem was all that they were focusing on, which led to Match 5.

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I believe that Greg was actually trying to allude to the goal incursion issue. I know (from personal experience with him) that he realizes that a team cannot call a DQ on their opponents. Any and all penalties given are done by the referees and the ref's at the SBPLI regional did quite a good job. There were a minimum of issues with the officiating. I feel that they did a good job despite being put in some tenous positions as a result of circumstances.

The main problems revolved around the field, scoring and seeding programs throughout the weekend. There were endless issues with qualifying match scheduling, lack of (read NO) seeding information until, literally 5 min before alliance selection and more "re-do's" than I have ever seen at any regional. Not to mention the fact that the top 8 seeds had to be "adjusted" after alliance selections had begun because a qualifying match had not been included in the original scoring tally and a team that should have been in the top 8 had been left out. Thankfully it did not affect the teams that had already selected but it did cause quite a bit of confusion at the event as virtually everyone including the selecting alliances were unaware of what was happening.

That being said......

Greg's team had a tremendous day establishing a new high water mark for the 1468 J-Birds and I know he's a trifle bit dissapointed at not winning a regional. However being a regional finalist is something to be content with for now as well as an incentive to bring your team's involvement and dedication up to the next level for the future.

The alliance of team 358, 271 & 870 did very, very well and they definitely knew that their opposing alliance of 1468, 353, 329 was there making them earn it all the way.

While I am not personally familiar with the folks on 870 I do know that they are unique in this locale for the community support they have been able to cultivate. I can tell you that Scott and Marc on 358 are excellent mentors and 358 should be proud that they have these folks in their corner. Team 271 and the "Bad Boyz" from Bay Shore also have excellent support from their mentors and community along with good teachers like Mr. Cavanaugh.

Oh and Greg **cough, cough** Hauppauge (team 358) could not have possibly had an incursion into the goal as they don't dump into the corner goals, gotta love our scouting team and their depth of information for that one! :)

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For the record, it is physically impossible for our robot to enter the goal at all (assuming we are in one piece!!!). We are a 28" x 38" x 60" tall box, with no appendages.

On a more important topic....
I want to send a big congrats to 514 for Chairmans, and to Pat for Woody Flowers. You guys are a class act!!!!!!!!!!

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Clarification on the positioning thing, my Dad is bad with details so Madison was misinformed.

He was confusing the time we made a last minute change to our alignment, which we verified was ok with the head ref before doing so, with the fact that for match 5 we broke our position trend and let 271 take slot 1 and we took 2, no rule breaking here, just a confused Dad :)

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Can you clear up when my team went into a corner goal? I drive the robot and there was only 1 time I was anywhere remotely near a corner and that was to collect some balls with my conveyor, not push balls in or dump balls out.

Congrats to all who put up with going through a 5 match best of 3 finals competition. I had a great time and I hope to see you all and Championships.

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Well like I said, I don't have all of the specifics since I was in a world of hurt and cheering at the same time.

Brain, could you clear up what actually happened with that. Being half-there and listening on several conversations at once, I obviously missed something with that. I'm sorry Hauppauge if its looks like I'm trying to knock you, I'm just trying to relay everything I knew in the hopes it gets corrected.

This is why I really wish they would check their own video feeds for things like this...

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OK Greg, to help clarify:

With all the excitement of the replays, replays & uh....oh yeah replays of the final match there was some misinformation flowing around.

1. There was no actual goal incursion by any team on any alliance. Matt (not Krass our teams Matt C.) verified that afterwards with the refs due to the confusion. The ONLY issues during the replays were field/computer related, (oh yeah and that tie score in the 3rd match) :yikes:

2. As I mentioned earlier 358 did not have ANY mechanism on their robot that would allow them to enter the lower goal in any way, shape or form. We saw that in Hartford and also knew from our scouting info that dumping was not part of their strategy. Quite frankly they didn't need to dump 'cause their shooter is excellent and only getting better as they "massage" their technology.

On a side note I want to echo Scott's congrats to 514 for their chairman's award. They have been around for many years and through all their up's and down's have always been a class act when it comes to Gracious Professionalism.

Greg, remember that the competition is only a means to and end and the robot is the method of getting to that end. The real payoff is having people like yourself, Matt Krass and anyone else on any FIRST team anywhere having the opportunity to do this.

Like I kept telling all of your 1468 team mates during the build period:

"If you're not careful you're actually going to learn something from this and then you'll be addicted like the rest of us."

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Hey, Good playing guys, we played really good as a team. Im a pit crew guy from 870, but we did really well together. Congrats too all :D

Wow, our team went from dead last for most of friday into saturday :ahh: , to winning the finals. you guys made a good pick.


GO 870!!! :D

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Congrats to 358 on a successful defense of their regional championship! I understand that makes four straight regional finals appearances for you, and, if only in my book, three regional championships in two years. Good luck in Atlanta; I won't be there but my team might. If we are, feel free to drop by our pit and say hello.

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Thanks sw293

Spike is one of our all time favorite teams.
We appreciate you taking us to the finals in Philly last yr.

By the way your robot looked great in NJ this year. I liked the antenna springs that opened your basket/hopper.

Ken

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Go to http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...290#post477290
For the Vids!

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I would like to extend my congratulations to all who participated in the SBPLI regionals.

I would like to extend my congratulations even more to all the teams in the finals and to 870, 271, and 358 for winning it.

However, I would like to especially recognize team 1468 for being the deciding factor on the 329, 353, 1468 alliance. I said it to one member of your team and I would like to make it publicly known that your actions in the last seconds of the the tied match 3 was absolutely heroic and the reason for the tie. If there was a highlight reel for that regional, you would definitely be the #1 video.

I assume 1468 is a second year team? Gotta love to see you guys competing with some of the best established teams in the northeast.

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Congratulations to 514 for winning Chairman's Award, and thanks to 329, 353 and 1468 for an intense Finals. Thanks to 271 and 870 for being with us at the end. :) Also congratulations to all the MVPs chosen by their teams.

and to echo others - third match was a tie, fourth match was replayed because we lost autonomous mode, the computer said we won. So a field mishap created the fifth match.

Specifically I was. ;) 358, first seed (11-1-0), picked 271 as our first pick then 870 as our second pick.

870, Southold was with us last year too. :)

Also our shooter never actaully broke - it was just jammed and had positioning problems from a slipping potentiometer. :D

Its a good thing it ended when it did - we were starting to run low on batteries! :ahh:

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Actually we're a 3rd year team. Either way we had a great year considering all the hardships we went through. McArthur was the only other Rookie team when we joined. A bit sad that they started the grants/scholarships for the Rookie award teams right AFTER we got all 3 Rookie awards.

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Can anyone please post the Volunteer of the Year and Woodie Flowers Award recipients names please? The FIRST website information is incomplete.

Thanks.

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Pat Hughes of Team 514 won the Woodie Flowers award this year. The most deserving mentor there in my opinion. He works hard for the kids in both the FRC and FLL programs as well as related areas.

Frank and Joan Saracino were joint winners of the Volunteer of the Year award.

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Hey I'm Scotty aka elmo from team 564. This year's robot has been all about KISS (keep it simple stupid). We were going to use the suction cup on our forklift, but pneumatics board was to heavy so we had to scrap it and now we just have a hook that I hope works, but we got our forklift work. This year we also have a ramp. Does anybody else?