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sw293 19-03-2006 18:54

Re: Scoring For Your Opponents
 
At Annapolis, team 293 got on the opponents' platform in our last elimination match in order to boost our ranking points. A robot on the other alliance helped push us up the ramp.

shamuwong 19-03-2006 19:34

Re: Scoring For Your Opponents
 
We didn't score for our opponents at GLR, and although we went undefeated, we were still the #2 seed as 1114 or 1503 (they look the same, ok?) went undefeated and scored for their opponents, raising their QP.

When we went to Detroit, we made sure that that never happened again. Having 1st pick of all the robots gives you a huge advantage.

I think this goes back to what Dean Kamen was saying last year in his speech at Nationals. While the world is getting more competitive, we can't just sit back and say "that's not fair" or say it shouldn't be that way. Things are as they are. People will always find new ways to give themselves an advantage. Sitting around and complaining about it won't get you anywhere. Competing with your opponents and doing better than them will.

GaryVoshol 21-03-2006 08:22

Re: Scoring For Your Opponents
 
I was looking through the rules, and found this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rules
8.3.7 Qualification Ranking
All teams in attendance will be ranked during the Qualification Rounds. If the number of teams in attendance is 'n', they will be ranked '1' through 'n', with '1' being the highest ranked team and 'n' being the lowest ranked
team.
The Scoring System will use the following Ranking Method:
• Teams will be broken into Tiers based on their Qualifying Score. A Tier is made up of all teams with the same Qualifying Score.
• Within each Tier, teams will be sorted by their Ranking Score. Note: Because your Ranking Score is derived directly from the Match Scores of the losing alliances in the matches you play, it is in your best interest to support your opponents and win by helping each alliance score as many points as possible.
• If any teams within a Tier have the same Ranking Score, they will then be sorted by their Highest Match Score.
• If any teams within a Tier have the same Ranking Score and the same Highest Match Score, then the Scoring System will sort those teams based on a random electronic coin toss.

The Note: that I bolded is italicized in the document.

It is apparent that FIRST and the GDC want teams to increase scores. The only question is what they mean by "helping each alliance score as many points as possible." Does that mean actively score for the opposing alliance, or back off to let them score? Does it matter?


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