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ScottWalls 13-03-2006 11:58

2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
I think it'll be great.
Team 245 is coming in from Michigan again.

Please Note:
Will there be a practice field at this regional?

billbo911 13-03-2006 13:21

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottWalls
I think it'll be great.
Team 245 is coming in from Michigan again.

Please Note:
Will there be a practice field at this regional?

Yes

Team 1147 have volunteered our practice field for use at the Regional. I'm not certain where it will be set up yet, but we will have it there.
We may have one issue to resolve. While the field was set up at the school, my personal +12vdc power supply to run the Vision Target "grew legs", if you know what I mean. :mad: We may need to find an alternative power source.

ScottWalls 13-03-2006 13:23

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
It can be run off a standard battery that even we could give you.
Great to hear, will it have a carpet?

billbo911 13-03-2006 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottWalls
It can be run off a standard battery that even we could give you.

Yep, I thought about that, in fact, until I brouht my supply to the school, that is how we ran it. My only concern is that a battery will only run the light for so long. I don't want to keep running new batteries over to the field every couple hours. I want it to run continuously from 8:00-18:00 every day without messin' with it. Thanks for the offer, we may end up taking you up on it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottWalls
Great to hear, will it have a carpet?

I knew someone would ask that question. I "think" the answer is yes.


EDIT:
Carpet is verified, provided by FIRST.

2nd note. YEHAAAAA!!!!! One of the students, in an attempt to be helpful, had removed the power supply and placed it back in the classroom. The problem is, he just forgot to mention it. :o So, the power supply is not an issue either! :D

blue_crew 16-03-2006 01:09

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
I know FSN is going to be set up and functional at Davis.
Is anyone planning on using STAMP instead?

flaming pryro 16-03-2006 01:38

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Team 1671 was also panning to do FSN. We're still deciding on STAMP

billbo911 16-03-2006 01:53

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blue_crew
I know FSN is going to be set up and functional at Davis.
Is anyone planning on using STAMP instead?

I have the server loaded with with FSN and all 40 teams added to it already. I still need to add the matches, but I can't do that until they are set at the competition.
I can provide the WiFi as well. All I really need is scouts and laptops. I will have paper scouting forms as well in case the range of the router doesn't quite reach all areas. Both the Team and Match scouting forms will be available in both printed and electronic forms.

I am not familiar with STAMP other than I have heard it exists. I have no problem at all having both at this comp. I think it would be great to compare them side by side. I just hope there are enough volunteers to do both.

flaming pryro 20-03-2006 10:22

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BRt1671 also has 2 routers for wireless internet access, so maybe we can boost the signal with multiple routers. Anyways, how are you going to power ur laptops at the stands, long, veyr long externsion cords to the pit? we have people with six laptops also hopefully. we just dont' have enough battery. i don't remember a power outlet in the stands last year. any ideas? If you guys do STAMP, they we can have some people to voluneteer maybe. We're having problems with the number of people scouting though.

billbo911 20-03-2006 11:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flaming pryro
BRt1671 also has 2 routers for wireless internet access, so maybe we can boost the signal with multiple routers. Anyways, how are you going to power ur laptops at the stands, long, veyr long externsion cords to the pit? we have people with six laptops also hopefully. we just dont' have enough battery. i don't remember a power outlet in the stands last year. any ideas? If you guys do STAMP, they we can have some people to voluneteer maybe. We're having problems with the number of people scouting though.

In the last week I have learned quite a bit about the operation of FSN. Currently, keeping your laptops running in the stands is not necessary. The way it will/should work is (this is optimal, but can be done other ways):
1) Six people are assigned to scout for any given match. One for each bot on the floor.
2) Data for that match is collected on paper forms, or can be collected electronically on the same forms and saved with a different file name for each match (you make the call).
3) During a break, end of scouting shift, lunch or when ever works best, all the data from the forms is entered into the database on the server. Six match sheet, one per team, is compiled into a single entry in the "Match Data" on the server. This is the only time that the laptop, PC, PDA need to be booted and on line. This can be done wirelessly or connected, it will depend on the equipment available.

The biggest problem at the SVR was there were not too many people wanting to help collect scouting data. So, 971 asked the different teams that ran their own scouting processes if they would share their data, it appeared to help out a lot. Hopefully we can have enough scouts to make this work, if not, we can always ask other teams to share. We really need six people for each match, one to observer each bot, anything less will be very difficult to do.

Depending on which router you have, we might be able to set them up as repeaters, but this is usually reserved for Wireless Access Points. Wireless Routers don't usually support that configuration.

blue_crew 20-03-2006 12:44

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MadTown Robotics will definetly contribute at least one person to scout each match.
So will there be basically a FSN scouting team that will be comprised of six people (sometimes from different teams) who will take down data which will be given to a "scouting leader" to upload to the server?

billbo911 20-03-2006 13:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blue_crew
MadTown Robotics will definetly contribute at least one person to scout each match.
So will there be basically a FSN scouting team that will be comprised of six people (sometimes from different teams) who will take down data which will be given to a "scouting leader" to upload to the server?

That seems to be the way things will run. I don't want to ask people to collect data all day long, hopefully they can do it in shifts. The way you describe is pretty accurate. The "scouting leader" can be anyone, from any team and any location. I will try to make a "kiosk" style access point at our pit as well, but wirelessly from the stands or the pit area will be just as easy.

blue_crew 20-03-2006 19:27

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
That sounds good. Maybe on Thursday we can have a signup sheet put in your pit where teams can come sign scouting members up to scout each match and each robot for the following two days. That way we know everything is covered come friday morning.
Do the stats from thursday count too?

Nuttyman54 20-03-2006 19:38

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
do you guys have a space to set up in? if you do not have this prearranged with FIRST, you will most likely have to use someone's pit area.

billbo911 20-03-2006 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blue_crew
That sounds good. Maybe on Thursday we can have a signup sheet put in your pit where teams can come sign scouting members up to scout each match and each robot for the following two days. That way we know everything is covered come friday morning.
Do the stats from thursday count too?

Stats from Thursday have no bearing and therefore, will not be entered. Now considering Thursday is a "Practice day", we can verify that the scouting process will work by collecting match stats and seeing if it makes sense, but not loading it into the database.

I have begun sign up and welcome sheets already. I have 150 (X2) match forms printed, that will cover 50 matches at 6 bots each. I will see if I can get more printed tomorrow. I also have 50 Team scouting forms. The team forms need to be completed Thursday and the data loaded. This will give practice for the data loading process as well.

billbo911 20-03-2006 19:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54
do you guys have a space to set up in? if you do not have this prearranged with FIRST, you will most likely have to use someone's pit area.

Just like you did at SVR, we will have this in the corner of our pit unless we can make other arrangements.

Ed Sparks 20-03-2006 19:50

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Team 34 (from Alabama) is looking forward to attending the Davis Sacramento Regional. Unfortunately, we are not able to carry as much tooling and materials as we would like due to shipping and airline weight restrictions.

We're hoping another gracious team will let us borrow a cordless drill long enough to uncrate our 'bot. :)

Doug G 20-03-2006 21:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Sparks
Team 34 (from Alabama) is looking forward to attending the Davis Sacramento Regional. Unfortunately, we are not able to carry as much tooling and materials as we would like due to shipping and airline weight restrictions.

We're hoping another gracious team will let us borrow a cordless drill long enough to uncrate our 'bot. :)

We got you covered Ed - it is the least we could do for all the great 3-D models you've helped us out with!!

flaming pryro 20-03-2006 22:05

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911
Just like you did at SVR, we will have this in the corner of our pit unless we can make other arrangements.

Do you guys all have aim, or something? maybe we could work something out. Anyways, we ruled out STAMP, and we're just going to use the FSN. This year, we have 10 people on our scouting team with 6 people rotating every 3 hours or so except our webmasters(me and my friend!) will be there almost the whole time we are the camera men also. During the other free time, we'll have the other 4 scouts go around personally and write down thier thoughts, and breif us at the end of the day. Anyways, c u guys in 3 days?

James114 20-03-2006 22:40

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Sparks
Team 34 (from Alabama) is looking forward to attending the Davis Sacramento Regional. Unfortunately, we are not able to carry as much tooling and materials as we would like due to shipping and airline weight restrictions.

We're hoping another gracious team will let us borrow a cordless drill long enough to uncrate our 'bot. :)

So Ed, are you going to be in Sacramento too, since it would like to thank you in person for all the great part models you have made over the years.

James

Ed Sparks 21-03-2006 09:09

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James114
So Ed, are you going to be in Sacramento too, since it would like to thank you in person for all the great part models you have made over the years.

James

Yep, I'll be there. I'll be one of the inspectors on Thursday & Friday. I'm easy to spot because I always wear a Khaki Jungle Hat and I tend to hang around team 34's pit. :D

Thanks to all of you in advance for your help & support. This is the first time our team has ever flown to a regional. See 'ya in a couple days.

yodameister 21-03-2006 12:16

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Team 1726 would be happy to loan our cordless drill. Just come by and see us.

Veselin Kolev 21-03-2006 14:07

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Ed,

If you guys need anything, team 1072 is always there for you guys. We are bringing a drill press, radial arm saw, band saw, grinder, and a bunch of pneumatic power tools. We have quite an arsenal.

And a note... Team 1072's drivetrain will be fully operational at SAC. yay... no more driving in circles. We're re-sprocketing and re-chaining the whole thing. Down with inefficiency! Horay for 17 fps.

Ed Sparks 21-03-2006 15:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Veselin Kolev
We are bringing a drill press, radial arm saw, band saw, grinder, and a bunch of pneumatic power tools. We have quite an arsenal.

MAN !!!

You guys bring your BIG guns to competition ....... :ahh:

We appreciate your looking after us ....... Thanks :D

codeoftherobot 21-03-2006 18:35

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Just as a note, if I recall correctly from the meeting, UC Davis will be allowing the use of their shops for robot repair. Robots will be shuttled back and forth via golf cart/mini trucks to the shop. Can you confirm this Doug? I don't know if any of this has changed or not since the last meeting I attended.

NoodleKnight 21-03-2006 19:35

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Team 100 will be there.

I'll also bring my hacked linksys router for FSN (if you guys want to use it), I ran it at SVR but never really tested the broadcasting range (ran it at 50mw over the default 28mw). WiFi coverage with this router is no problem at all (since I can max out the transmit signal power to 251mw).

billbo911 21-03-2006 21:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NoodleKnight
Team 100 will be there.

I'll also bring my hacked linksys router for FSN (if you guys want to use it), I ran it at SVR but never really tested the broadcasting range (ran it at 50mw over the default 28mw). WiFi coverage with this router is no problem at all (since I can max out the transmit signal power to 251mw).

My concern with using that router is that it was not serving DHCP at all on Saturday at SVR. That essentially made FSN useless. Please bring it as a backup to the one I already have configured. If mine doesn't cut it, we'll try yours, but be prepared to provide admin. access to the router.

NoodleKnight 21-03-2006 22:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911
My concern with using that router is that it was not serving DHCP at all on Saturday at SVR. That essentially made FSN useless. Please bring it as a backup to the one I already have configured. If mine doesn't cut it, we'll try yours, but be prepared to provide admin. access to the router.

I don't quite understand, it was serving DHCP, there isn't really other common way to run a router, except for ad-hoc (which I'll vouch, wasn't the case).
To get to FSN you had to connect to and IP which had port 80 forwarded. Unless you have two machines set up for DNS hosting along with your server, there isn't a way to access a server within the LAN via easy-to-remember domain name, if that's what you're talking about.
Correct me if I'm wrong, which I think I probably am.

Nuttyman54 22-03-2006 00:12

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
I remember it worked on friday, and then all day saturday it wasn't serving DHCP. Caspar would know more about it, but I think he couldn't open a port.

NoodleKnight 22-03-2006 00:37

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Hmm, I never knew it stopped serving DHCP, I did remember it stopped working on Friday (not sure why), but I checked the config and it was all correct and the other FSN computer was able to connect and access the server.

Nuttyman54 22-03-2006 00:38

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Caspar was trying to get a hold of you, but apparently your own 'bot took precedence...sheesh

NoodleKnight 22-03-2006 00:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54
Caspar was trying to get a hold of you, but apparently your own 'bot took precedence...sheesh

haha, yeah well, I don't think the team would have been happy if I left the robot in an undrivable state :rolleyes:

Sorry for the lack of support, some things just happened that I didn't expect. Oh well, it's part of life.

Nuttyman54 22-03-2006 00:43

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Nah, i don't blame you, we had problems too. I think SAC will have a much better setup, being that it's going to be run by the team scouts, not 2 networking guys and a team leader...

billbo911 22-03-2006 00:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NoodleKnight
I don't quite understand, it was serving DHCP, there isn't really other common way to run a router, except for ad-hoc (which I'll vouch, wasn't the case).
To get to FSN you had to connect to and IP which had port 80 forwarded. Unless you have two machines set up for DNS hosting along with your server, there isn't a way to access a server within the LAN via easy-to-remember domain name, if that's what you're talking about.
Correct me if I'm wrong, which I think I probably am.

DHCP (Dynamic Host Control Protocol) is the process by which IP addresses are served to devices that connect to a network, unless they already have a static IP assigned to them for that subnet.

DNS (Domain Name Service) is a service that translates Domain Name to IP address. This is used extensively on the INTERNET, but seldom if ever on a small private, or SOHO network, which is the case here. (SOHO stands for Small Office Home Office).

In the case of serving FSN at the regionals, there is no need to use DNS or port forwarding. All you have to do is point a browser to "http://<serverip>" where "<serverip>" is the IP of the server. The web server should automatically serve FSN if it is set up correctly.

Please feel free to come by our pit, I would love to answer any question you might have regarding this.

As far as your router is concerned, I'm not surprised. Lynksys WRT54G's have a nasty habit of locking up at the worst possible time. A simple power cycle or reset usually brings them back to life. What effect your modifications had on it I'm not sure. If we can find some time, maybe we can test it.

NoodleKnight 22-03-2006 00:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911
DHCP (Dynamic Host Control Protocol) is the process by which IP addresses are served to devices that connect to a network, unless they already have a static IP assigned to them for that subnet.

DNS (Domain Name Service) is a service that translates Domain Name to IP address. This is used extensively on the INTERNET, but seldom if ever on a small private, or SOHO network, which is the case here. (SOHO stands for Small Office Home Office).

In the case of serving FSN at the regionals, there is no need to use DNS or port forwarding. All you have to do is point a browser to "http://<serverip>" where "<serverip>" is the IP of the server. The web server should automatically serve FSN if it is set up correctly.

Please feel free to come by our pit, I would love to answer any question you might have regarding this.

As far as your router is concerned, I'm not surprised. Lynksys WRT54G's have a nasty habit of locking up at the worst possible time. A simple power cycle or reset usually brings them back to life. What effect your modifications had on it I'm not sure. If we can find some time, maybe we can test it.

Ok, so I wasn't so confused with what you were saying. The router was running DHCP, although I guess it stopped working every time they turned it off (as if it lost it's config settings), but a simple re-logon into the administration panel seemed to fix it. I guess I'll have to look into that later.

Doug G 22-03-2006 05:07

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by codeoftherobot
Just as a note, if I recall correctly from the meeting, UC Davis will be allowing the use of their shops for robot repair. Robots will be shuttled back and forth via golf cart/mini trucks to the shop. Can you confirm this Doug? I don't know if any of this has changed or not since the last meeting I attended.

UC Davis is offering the use of their machine shop and machinists for the three days. There'll be a shuttle (truck) that will transport parts/robots/participants back and forth.

blue_crew 22-03-2006 10:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug G
UC Davis is offering the use of their machine shop and machinists for the three days. There'll be a shuttle (truck) that will transport parts/robots/participants back and forth.

Thats great! I cant wait to see a robot on the back of a golf cart driving through the uc davis campus.

Mike Hendricks 23-03-2006 09:33

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1388 will be there (we're currently sitting down in the hotel eating breakfast as we speak). If you guys need any tools or help, come see us. We've also managed to squeeze the famous vise and drillpress under the bus (people on 1072 should remember that) and hopefully we'll manage to get them inside the ARC again :rolleyes:

Ahh .. only a couple hours to go :D

Team1726Nerds 23-03-2006 23:39

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
hi....thanks again for the use of your vise! it's a life saver. good luck tomorrow

Mike Hendricks 24-03-2006 00:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Team1726Nerds
hi....thanks again for the use of your vise! it's a life saver. good luck tomorrow

No problem, we're glad to let anyone use it who needs to, regardless if they think it's overkill.

We're just glad Jason didn't stop us at the door when we bought it in (we were actually concerned if the letter of the no floor standing tools rule would be enforced, but because the lack of machine shop within walking distance we figured it'd be ok), the same goes for the drill press. Either way, MANY teams used that vise this year, and last year .. and we're just glad to have it.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow .. If anyone needs some help, just come over to 1388's pit and ask for Mike :)

MrForbes 24-03-2006 01:01

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I put up the first batch of pits pics from Thursday morning, hope you like them!

if I misidentified a team please let me know and I'll fix it. Also I hope to get pics of the rest of the teams by Friday night.

http://www.selectric.org/nerds/2006ca/index.html

MrForbes 25-03-2006 01:03

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updated Friday night with new pics of all robots

http://www.selectric.org/nerds/2006ca/index.html

thecheatdx 25-03-2006 13:55

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
I'm going to try and get all the alliances for the finals when they come up and edit this post when it's all said and done.

EDIT: HERE IT IS!

Alliance #1:
Team 1351
Team 649
Team 100

Alliance #2:
Team 766
Team 568
Team 835

Alliance #3:
Team 1726
Team 852
Team 1662

Alliance #4:
Team 114
Team 1834
Team 245

Alliance #5:
Team 955
Team 701
Team 753

Alliance #6:
Team 1678
Team 34
Team 1388 (XD YAY!)

Alliance #7:
Team 1458
Team 115
Team 368

Alliance #8:
Team 1960
Team 1318
Team 956

LOLZ FP ON T3H ALLIANCES FTW!!11oneone

Dr.Bot 25-03-2006 21:43

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Davis/Sac Rocked.

Lots of upsets, lots of matches going to three for the finals. Good to see so many old FIRST friends, and make new ones. I have one beef. The sportsmanship award should definitely gone to Team 34 from Huntsville.
Because of a shipping mishap, their robot didn't arrive until 7pm on Thursday.
They had it uncrated and passed through inspection by 7:15.

Instead of complaining and hanging out, they adopted a rookie team and helped them all Thursday afternoon. Ed Sparks (mentor) was a volunteer inspector and helped make the inspections a breeze for me and everyone else.

So Hat's off 34, you guys are a class act. The South shall rise again!

(I don't count Florida as part of the South ;)

Dr. Bot, Lead Inspector San Jose, Davis.

Team1726Nerds 26-03-2006 01:00

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Agreed this was a great regional. Thank you to everyone for being help to us when we needed it, and thank you for all who we were alliances with. And I especially thank team 852 and 1662, our bots complimented one another perfectly, and I don't think we could have picked a better alliance. Also congrats to 245 on the chairmans (and woody flowers) award, and 753 on the inspiration award. We know that you both stood out to us in your helpfulness.

1726 also says hats off to 34. We were right next to you in the pits, and saw all the help you gave to 1974 and anyone else who needed, despite your bot not showing up Friday.

So we will be seeing some of you in Atlanta, and we hope to see others over the years!

sciguy125 26-03-2006 01:44

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This regional was a little upsetting for 1351. We fought hard and made it to first seed. Then, about 20 mins before our quarter final match, we had a speed controller fry. We didn't have enough time to fix it and went in with the left drive dead.

The really disappointing part was that we have two motors per side and only one died. We might have been alright had the second motor worked. However, it looks like we accidentally unplugged/dislodged/otherwise caused to fail the signal cable from the other speed controller while we were trying to replace the dead one. There were other problems associated with our hasty swap job, but those mentioned were the direct causes of the failure.

We lost both of the quarter final matches and were out. Thanks to 649 and 100 for sticking through it with us anyway.

FOR THE RECORD:
It seems that we had 4 separate teams come to our pit and comment on our robot's remarkable similarity to 254's. We did not work with them, ours was developed completely independently. We didn't see their design until they released pictures from the Portland regional, so we didn't have time to copy it either. I was actually pretty shocked when I noticed that we pretty much have the same robot, functionally anyway. And as for copying their strategy too, we had the idea on kick off day. The robot was designed with the "shoot from the platform" attack in mind. The reason we didn't impliment it at Silicon Valley is that we were having some drivetrain issues that made it hard to get up the ramp. Again, we are not a cheap knockoff of 254. We independently designed a similar, but shoddy version of their robot.

Doug G 26-03-2006 02:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sciguy125
This regional was a little upsetting for 1351. We fought hard and made it to first seed. Then, about 20 mins before our quarter final match, we had a speed controller fry. We didn't have enough time to fix it and went in with the left drive dead.

The really disappointing part was that we have two motors per side and only one died. We might have been alright had the second motor worked. However, it looks like we accidentally unplugged/dislodged/otherwise caused to fail the signal cable from the other speed controller while we were trying to replace the dead one. There were other problems associated with our hasty swap job, but those mentioned were the direct causes of the failure.

We lost both of the quarter final matches and were out. Thanks to 649 and 100 for sticking through it with us anyway.

You're robot was awesome - we thought for sure we'd go against your alliance in the final rounds. We totally understand your frustration, feeling like you could still achieve so much more. We had our shooter roller bearing out of whack and couldn't score from in front of the ramp during finals, a strategy we had calibrated and prepared for earlier on the practice field. But that's the price we paid for a somewhat tippy robot. Our alliance, 753, had basically overheated all its motors and couldn't play their awesome defense by the third finals match.

So will you be competing at any more events? Keep your spirits up, you have a lot to be proud of!

Mike Hendricks 26-03-2006 02:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sciguy125
This regional was a little upsetting for 1351. We fought hard and made it to first seed. Then, about 20 mins before our quarter final match, we had a speed controller fry. We didn't have enough time to fix it and went in with the left drive dead.

We were pitted next to you, and as soon as I saw you electrical board spark and smoke, my head just dropped. We ran over and offered another victor, but I guess you guys had spares. The way your electrical board was laid out, it made it really hard to see where the problem was coming from. I will commend you guys for actually taking it out onto the field and doing the best you could; that was impressive. You guys are a great team and had an awesome bot, sorry it didn't work out for you. I know your programmer worked really hard to get that bot going. Did you ever happen to determine what blew the victor out? One would assume it was a metal shaving, but it was strange how it worked out; drivetrain was running fine and all of a sudden *poof*

I'm going to make a topic in the thank you section in a little bit that I'd like all the teams at Sac (who read CD) to see .. It'd be much appreciated - Thanks

sciguy125 26-03-2006 10:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatMike
I know your programmer worked really hard to get that bot going. Did you ever happen to determine what blew the victor out? One would assume it was a metal shaving, but it was strange how it worked out; drivetrain was running fine and all of a sudden *poof*

We were able to get a replacement in before the match, but we weren't able to connect it. It took us awhile to figure out which one it was. We just went through and tested each one so see which wasn't working.

We're pretty sure that the reason it blew was that it was being driven full forward, then being slammed into reverse during autonomous. I figure there should be a massive current spike in this condition. The strange thing is that we'd been doing it for a long time, but it didn't give out until we needed it most. I feel a little responsible because I caught the problem before but forgot bring it up. For one thing, I didn't think it would lead to catastrphic failure. Especially not right before the championship rounds.

Salik Syed 26-03-2006 11:47

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Great job to all teams, especially the winning alliance, you guys played awesome. It's too bad we couldn't play our best match in that last final match

as our mentor mentioned our shooter bearing got dislodged, so our shooter would not shoot fast enough, it was heart breaking seeing us lined up and the balls just plopping out and going no where(we had settings to shoot from below the ramp!)
also 753 could not drive due to overheating (the breakers were so hot from the match before that they hadn't had time to cool down... and tripped at normal driving)... oh well its all part of the game! great job everyone , second place is certainly not upsetting. Thanks to 753 and 955 for helping us get so far!

The very nice thing i think was that EVERYONE was defending us (701) leaving 955 totally open and they scored probablby more points than us in the lower goals ! (we usually made 6-7 to goals while they human loaded and dumped 20+)

AlphaSt0rm 26-03-2006 14:33

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
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Originally Posted by sciguy125
This regional was a little upsetting for 1351. We fought hard and made it to first seed. Then, about 20 mins before our quarter final match, we had a speed controller fry. We didn't have enough time to fix it and went in with the left drive dead.

The really disappointing part was that we have two motors per side and only one died. We might have been alright had the second motor worked. However, it looks like we accidentally unplugged/dislodged/otherwise caused to fail the signal cable from the other speed controller while we were trying to replace the dead one. There were other problems associated with our hasty swap job, but those mentioned were the direct causes of the failure.

We lost both of the quarter final matches and were out. Thanks to 649 and 100 for sticking through it with us anyway.

FOR THE RECORD:
It seems that we had 4 separate teams come to our pit and comment on our robot's remarkable similarity to 254's. We did not work with them, ours was developed completely independently. We didn't see their design until they released pictures from the Portland regional, so we didn't have time to copy it either. I was actually pretty shocked when I noticed that we pretty much have the same robot, functionally anyway. And as for copying their strategy too, we had the idea on kick off day. The robot was designed with the "shoot from the platform" attack in mind. The reason we didn't impliment it at Silicon Valley is that we were having some drivetrain issues that made it hard to get up the ramp. Again, we are not a cheap knockoff of 254. We independently designed a similar, but shoddy version of their robot.

I was surprised to be picked by 1351 :ahh: The second seed team approached us and we were planning on being selected by them. Even though we placed 16th overall it seemed that alot of the top seeds wanted us on their teams :D Seemed like a blessing, but things didn't work out that way, maybe next year :)

TheOtherTaylor 26-03-2006 14:41

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
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we had 4 separate teams come to our pit and comment on our robot's remarkable similarity to 254's
We probably would have gotten even more if we hadn't simplified our conveyor system that origionally looked -exactly- like 254's did. A little irritating though how often we were compared to them simply because we were doing very well with a similar strategy. I guess I was hoping more people would take note of our turret and how adaptable we could be when we couldn't land exactly where we wanted to shoot from.

The victor was a huge dissapointment. I tried to sort of jerk and twist our bot into firing range with only half the drivetrain pulling which almost worked until the opposing alliance figured me out and gave us a friendly little shove back to where we started. We didn't have any chance once our bot couldn't get into firing range.

As a side note, I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed meeting the other teams which I really tried to put a lot of effort into this regional when I had nothing to fix (mainly the drive teams during strategy meetings but also the others that came by to say hi) and congrats to all the people who got awards.

Alaina 27-03-2006 00:58

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Team 814 had a phenominal time at Davis. Though we produced a robot that was hardly considered competitive, over half of the kids had never been to a competition before and had a lot to learn. Now I'm confident enough to say that my kids definitely know all that FIRST represents.

When we weren't picked for the finals, we weren't disappointed. It just made us realize we could root for our favorites instead. (701!! :]) There was so much energy during the finals. I swear it was louder than a high school football game.

I love that team 245 won Chairmans. They're such a great group. I hope this motivates them to return once again in 2007. It wouldn't be Davis without them.

Team 814 gives a huge thanks to UC Davis and everyone who made this regional possible. Keep up the good work and we'll see you next year!

double_check 27-03-2006 01:53

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Well, I must say that the UC Davis Regional was probably the funnest day of my life. I had so much fun cheering with all the teams there. I was the Fembot dancing around near the field in pair of wings, cape, and multiple other team spirit adornments. All the mascots down there were crazy cool. You guys rock.

Congratulations to all the teams that were in the finals and the winning alliance of 1726, 852, and 1662. You guys all did great. 1351 your robot was absolutely amazing. I'm sorry you had technical difficulties. It was so nice to have 368 there from Honolulu and great job on getting that spirit award. Good job to 245 on chairmans and 753 on the engineering inspiration award. Can't wait for next year and hope to see all the teams again.

Ed Sparks 27-03-2006 17:18

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Thanks to Alan, Bill, Steve, and Ken (the inspection crew). It was a pleasure working with you inspecting all of those great west coast 'bots. (I finally met and worked with the infamous Ken Leung :D )

Thanks Stu Bloom for the fine work as lead ref. I really liked the backup scoring system you guys used.

I want to give a special thanks to Jason Morrella who gave team 34 every chance to compete by helping us track down our missing robot (It arrived 7:00 p.m. Thursday night :eek:).

But most of all I want to thank all the teams and volunteers at the Davis/Sacramento regional. This was truly a great event in our book and I'm so glad we could attend. Our team always strives to help other teams at any event we go to but it was particularly inspiring to me to see so many come to our aid when we needed a hand. It just goes to show you that FIRSTers are FIRSTers no matter what part of this world they live in. :)

I hope to see you all again soon ...........

Salik Syed 27-03-2006 21:00

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Hey Ed...
just wanted to say thanks , you were by far one of the most helpful inspectors i've met! You addressed actual problems and told us how to fix them.

MIsanthropist 27-03-2006 22:41

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Just wanted to say thank to everyone who attended the regional i had the time of my life and i learned a lot from other teams an i wanted to congratulate the winners you definetly deserve the win you have earned it by far i also wanted to thnk 701 and 955 for being our alliance partners. Sorry to anyone whose robot we damaged. and I look forward to seeing the winners at nationals since we qualified by winning the PNW regional. And thanks ed we were running hot on our cannon and we appreciate you taking the concern nicely and being sincere. :D :D :D

Li Jianliang 28-03-2006 00:14

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
That was the best Regional that I'd ever attended in my life, and the last FIRST Robotics Competition in my high school career. Thank you to Team 701 and Team 753 for this amazing experience!
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Originally Posted by squirrel
updated Friday night with new pics of all robots

http://www.selectric.org/nerds/2006ca/index.html

Thanks for the photos of all teams- It really helped out my team's scouting efforts on Saturday morning! ^_^

Doug G 28-03-2006 04:33

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Li Jianliang
That was the best Regional that I'd ever attended in my life, and the last FIRST Robotics Competition in my high school career. Thank you to Team 701 and Team 753 for this amazing experience!

That definitely was the best regional we have experienced yet - not only the fact we were really competitive for a change, but also I enjoyed meeting the variety of teams from all over. It didn't all go smoothly of course, Team 753 slammed us pretty good against the ramp in a qualifying match which shattered one of our omni-wheels. Good thing we had them in our alliance in the tournament! Thanks to Saratoga High, 649, for not just one spare omni, but two of them!! You guys rock!! And your Holonomic drive was fun to watch!! Note to teams.. AM plastic omni wheels + metal ramp = only good for one competition!!

My heart goes out to team David Tyco and his rookie team 1974. I do wish they come back again under better circumstances and wish David a speedy recovery. Team 34, 1726, and 100 really helped them out so they could get their robot running around on the field. They did eventually win one match and were able to score 9 points in a match. Thank you again to all those who attended the regional and we sure hope to have you back in the future. For those who missed some of the final matches, I'm starting to post some of them on our website along with Grant's (Mythbusters - Team 841) pep talk.

MrForbes 28-03-2006 09:04

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
thanks for putting up those videos! If you want to fill in the blanks on which teams were in the matches, look here for the match info.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Li Jianliang
Thanks for the photos of all teams- It really helped out my team's scouting efforts on Saturday morning! ^_^

I'm glad someone got some use out of them! Apparently you folks did...you had a very strong alliance, the final matches were awesome, congratulations

KrazyRoadster 28-03-2006 20:18

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Does anyone know where to find videos of this regional? My team and I wanted to watch them to see some of the great robots we may have missed.

MrForbes 28-03-2006 21:13

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
look at Doug G's post above, there's a link to the 701 website which has videos of several matches.

My web page has a photo collection of all the robots...no video yet though.

Salik Syed 28-03-2006 23:00

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
alot of match videos are available here:

http://www.vandenrobotics.org

of course they all have us in them but there are other robots too :D

MIsanthropist 29-03-2006 01:36

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Is there a wya to order a video of the comp from the people who shoot the video of the competition. I dont know what company it is, if it is FIRST or not, would produce a video if they do or not i would like to know where to get a copy for my parents. :D any info would be awesome. Again this was by far my Favorite of the 2 regionals i attended it was a lot more competitive and a lot more fun thanks to all you guys and gals ;) it was the time of my life.
Thanks From Dane a member of 753.

MrForbes 29-03-2006 19:19

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
there is some webcast video from the match archived on the NASA site here

http://robotics.nasa.gov/events/webcasts/sacr_2006.php

I'm working on getting a few video clips I shot up on my web page.

These videos take a broadband conection to download...if you don't have a fast connection to the internet, maybe someone on your team who does can download them and put them on a CD or DVD for you to enjoy?

MrForbes 29-03-2006 22:15

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
here's another video of the final match, it is extra lousy quality and contains some irrational exuberance.

MIsanthropist 31-03-2006 02:00

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
:D :D Awesome i appreciate the help i only have 56K so that poses a problem but i'll email a buddy to see if he can download them and put them on a cd for me like you said. Again way to go on winning you guys kicked some tail so congrats, i hope to see you at nationals. :D :D

yodameister 31-03-2006 11:58

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
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Originally Posted by MIsanthropist
:D :D Awesome i appreciate the help i only have 56K so that poses a problem but i'll email a buddy to see if he can download them and put them on a cd for me like you said. Again way to go on winning you guys kicked some tail so congrats, i hope to see you at nationals. :D :D

Thank you. You bet that you'll see us at nationals :D Entrance is paid for and we almost have enough $$$ for the rest. See you there.

MrForbes 31-03-2006 15:02

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MIsanthropist
i'll email a buddy to see if he can download them and put them on a cd for me like you said.


If you can't find someone near you to do it, PM me and I'll mail you a CD....

Doug G 31-03-2006 18:52

Re: 2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
 
I have the matches we're in on our website at

www.vandenrobotics.org

click on the "film" icon in the top right corner.


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