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2006 Davis Sacramento Regional
I think it'll be great.
Team 245 is coming in from Michigan again. Please Note: Will there be a practice field at this regional? |
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Team 1147 have volunteered our practice field for use at the Regional. I'm not certain where it will be set up yet, but we will have it there. We may have one issue to resolve. While the field was set up at the school, my personal +12vdc power supply to run the Vision Target "grew legs", if you know what I mean. :mad: We may need to find an alternative power source. |
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It can be run off a standard battery that even we could give you.
Great to hear, will it have a carpet? |
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EDIT: Carpet is verified, provided by FIRST. 2nd note. YEHAAAAA!!!!! One of the students, in an attempt to be helpful, had removed the power supply and placed it back in the classroom. The problem is, he just forgot to mention it. :o So, the power supply is not an issue either! :D |
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I know FSN is going to be set up and functional at Davis.
Is anyone planning on using STAMP instead? |
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Team 1671 was also panning to do FSN. We're still deciding on STAMP
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I can provide the WiFi as well. All I really need is scouts and laptops. I will have paper scouting forms as well in case the range of the router doesn't quite reach all areas. Both the Team and Match scouting forms will be available in both printed and electronic forms. I am not familiar with STAMP other than I have heard it exists. I have no problem at all having both at this comp. I think it would be great to compare them side by side. I just hope there are enough volunteers to do both. |
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BRt1671 also has 2 routers for wireless internet access, so maybe we can boost the signal with multiple routers. Anyways, how are you going to power ur laptops at the stands, long, veyr long externsion cords to the pit? we have people with six laptops also hopefully. we just dont' have enough battery. i don't remember a power outlet in the stands last year. any ideas? If you guys do STAMP, they we can have some people to voluneteer maybe. We're having problems with the number of people scouting though.
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1) Six people are assigned to scout for any given match. One for each bot on the floor. 2) Data for that match is collected on paper forms, or can be collected electronically on the same forms and saved with a different file name for each match (you make the call). 3) During a break, end of scouting shift, lunch or when ever works best, all the data from the forms is entered into the database on the server. Six match sheet, one per team, is compiled into a single entry in the "Match Data" on the server. This is the only time that the laptop, PC, PDA need to be booted and on line. This can be done wirelessly or connected, it will depend on the equipment available. The biggest problem at the SVR was there were not too many people wanting to help collect scouting data. So, 971 asked the different teams that ran their own scouting processes if they would share their data, it appeared to help out a lot. Hopefully we can have enough scouts to make this work, if not, we can always ask other teams to share. We really need six people for each match, one to observer each bot, anything less will be very difficult to do. Depending on which router you have, we might be able to set them up as repeaters, but this is usually reserved for Wireless Access Points. Wireless Routers don't usually support that configuration. |
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MadTown Robotics will definetly contribute at least one person to scout each match.
So will there be basically a FSN scouting team that will be comprised of six people (sometimes from different teams) who will take down data which will be given to a "scouting leader" to upload to the server? |
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That sounds good. Maybe on Thursday we can have a signup sheet put in your pit where teams can come sign scouting members up to scout each match and each robot for the following two days. That way we know everything is covered come friday morning.
Do the stats from thursday count too? |
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do you guys have a space to set up in? if you do not have this prearranged with FIRST, you will most likely have to use someone's pit area.
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I have begun sign up and welcome sheets already. I have 150 (X2) match forms printed, that will cover 50 matches at 6 bots each. I will see if I can get more printed tomorrow. I also have 50 Team scouting forms. The team forms need to be completed Thursday and the data loaded. This will give practice for the data loading process as well. |
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Team 34 (from Alabama) is looking forward to attending the Davis Sacramento Regional. Unfortunately, we are not able to carry as much tooling and materials as we would like due to shipping and airline weight restrictions.
We're hoping another gracious team will let us borrow a cordless drill long enough to uncrate our 'bot. :) |
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Thanks to all of you in advance for your help & support. This is the first time our team has ever flown to a regional. See 'ya in a couple days. |
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Team 1726 would be happy to loan our cordless drill. Just come by and see us.
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Ed,
If you guys need anything, team 1072 is always there for you guys. We are bringing a drill press, radial arm saw, band saw, grinder, and a bunch of pneumatic power tools. We have quite an arsenal. And a note... Team 1072's drivetrain will be fully operational at SAC. yay... no more driving in circles. We're re-sprocketing and re-chaining the whole thing. Down with inefficiency! Horay for 17 fps. |
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You guys bring your BIG guns to competition ....... :ahh: We appreciate your looking after us ....... Thanks :D |
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Just as a note, if I recall correctly from the meeting, UC Davis will be allowing the use of their shops for robot repair. Robots will be shuttled back and forth via golf cart/mini trucks to the shop. Can you confirm this Doug? I don't know if any of this has changed or not since the last meeting I attended.
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Team 100 will be there.
I'll also bring my hacked linksys router for FSN (if you guys want to use it), I ran it at SVR but never really tested the broadcasting range (ran it at 50mw over the default 28mw). WiFi coverage with this router is no problem at all (since I can max out the transmit signal power to 251mw). |
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To get to FSN you had to connect to and IP which had port 80 forwarded. Unless you have two machines set up for DNS hosting along with your server, there isn't a way to access a server within the LAN via easy-to-remember domain name, if that's what you're talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong, which I think I probably am. |
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I remember it worked on friday, and then all day saturday it wasn't serving DHCP. Caspar would know more about it, but I think he couldn't open a port.
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Hmm, I never knew it stopped serving DHCP, I did remember it stopped working on Friday (not sure why), but I checked the config and it was all correct and the other FSN computer was able to connect and access the server.
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Caspar was trying to get a hold of you, but apparently your own 'bot took precedence...sheesh
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Sorry for the lack of support, some things just happened that I didn't expect. Oh well, it's part of life. |
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Nah, i don't blame you, we had problems too. I think SAC will have a much better setup, being that it's going to be run by the team scouts, not 2 networking guys and a team leader...
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DNS (Domain Name Service) is a service that translates Domain Name to IP address. This is used extensively on the INTERNET, but seldom if ever on a small private, or SOHO network, which is the case here. (SOHO stands for Small Office Home Office). In the case of serving FSN at the regionals, there is no need to use DNS or port forwarding. All you have to do is point a browser to "http://<serverip>" where "<serverip>" is the IP of the server. The web server should automatically serve FSN if it is set up correctly. Please feel free to come by our pit, I would love to answer any question you might have regarding this. As far as your router is concerned, I'm not surprised. Lynksys WRT54G's have a nasty habit of locking up at the worst possible time. A simple power cycle or reset usually brings them back to life. What effect your modifications had on it I'm not sure. If we can find some time, maybe we can test it. |
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1388 will be there (we're currently sitting down in the hotel eating breakfast as we speak). If you guys need any tools or help, come see us. We've also managed to squeeze the famous vise and drillpress under the bus (people on 1072 should remember that) and hopefully we'll manage to get them inside the ARC again :rolleyes:
Ahh .. only a couple hours to go :D |
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hi....thanks again for the use of your vise! it's a life saver. good luck tomorrow
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We're just glad Jason didn't stop us at the door when we bought it in (we were actually concerned if the letter of the no floor standing tools rule would be enforced, but because the lack of machine shop within walking distance we figured it'd be ok), the same goes for the drill press. Either way, MANY teams used that vise this year, and last year .. and we're just glad to have it. Good luck to everyone tomorrow .. If anyone needs some help, just come over to 1388's pit and ask for Mike :) |
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I put up the first batch of pits pics from Thursday morning, hope you like them!
if I misidentified a team please let me know and I'll fix it. Also I hope to get pics of the rest of the teams by Friday night. http://www.selectric.org/nerds/2006ca/index.html |
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I'm going to try and get all the alliances for the finals when they come up and edit this post when it's all said and done.
EDIT: HERE IT IS! Alliance #1: Team 1351 Team 649 Team 100 Alliance #2: Team 766 Team 568 Team 835 Alliance #3: Team 1726 Team 852 Team 1662 Alliance #4: Team 114 Team 1834 Team 245 Alliance #5: Team 955 Team 701 Team 753 Alliance #6: Team 1678 Team 34 Team 1388 (XD YAY!) Alliance #7: Team 1458 Team 115 Team 368 Alliance #8: Team 1960 Team 1318 Team 956 LOLZ FP ON T3H ALLIANCES FTW!!11oneone |
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Davis/Sac Rocked.
Lots of upsets, lots of matches going to three for the finals. Good to see so many old FIRST friends, and make new ones. I have one beef. The sportsmanship award should definitely gone to Team 34 from Huntsville. Because of a shipping mishap, their robot didn't arrive until 7pm on Thursday. They had it uncrated and passed through inspection by 7:15. Instead of complaining and hanging out, they adopted a rookie team and helped them all Thursday afternoon. Ed Sparks (mentor) was a volunteer inspector and helped make the inspections a breeze for me and everyone else. So Hat's off 34, you guys are a class act. The South shall rise again! (I don't count Florida as part of the South ;) Dr. Bot, Lead Inspector San Jose, Davis. |
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Agreed this was a great regional. Thank you to everyone for being help to us when we needed it, and thank you for all who we were alliances with. And I especially thank team 852 and 1662, our bots complimented one another perfectly, and I don't think we could have picked a better alliance. Also congrats to 245 on the chairmans (and woody flowers) award, and 753 on the inspiration award. We know that you both stood out to us in your helpfulness.
1726 also says hats off to 34. We were right next to you in the pits, and saw all the help you gave to 1974 and anyone else who needed, despite your bot not showing up Friday. So we will be seeing some of you in Atlanta, and we hope to see others over the years! |
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This regional was a little upsetting for 1351. We fought hard and made it to first seed. Then, about 20 mins before our quarter final match, we had a speed controller fry. We didn't have enough time to fix it and went in with the left drive dead.
The really disappointing part was that we have two motors per side and only one died. We might have been alright had the second motor worked. However, it looks like we accidentally unplugged/dislodged/otherwise caused to fail the signal cable from the other speed controller while we were trying to replace the dead one. There were other problems associated with our hasty swap job, but those mentioned were the direct causes of the failure. We lost both of the quarter final matches and were out. Thanks to 649 and 100 for sticking through it with us anyway. FOR THE RECORD: It seems that we had 4 separate teams come to our pit and comment on our robot's remarkable similarity to 254's. We did not work with them, ours was developed completely independently. We didn't see their design until they released pictures from the Portland regional, so we didn't have time to copy it either. I was actually pretty shocked when I noticed that we pretty much have the same robot, functionally anyway. And as for copying their strategy too, we had the idea on kick off day. The robot was designed with the "shoot from the platform" attack in mind. The reason we didn't impliment it at Silicon Valley is that we were having some drivetrain issues that made it hard to get up the ramp. Again, we are not a cheap knockoff of 254. We independently designed a similar, but shoddy version of their robot. |
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So will you be competing at any more events? Keep your spirits up, you have a lot to be proud of! |
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I'm going to make a topic in the thank you section in a little bit that I'd like all the teams at Sac (who read CD) to see .. It'd be much appreciated - Thanks |
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We're pretty sure that the reason it blew was that it was being driven full forward, then being slammed into reverse during autonomous. I figure there should be a massive current spike in this condition. The strange thing is that we'd been doing it for a long time, but it didn't give out until we needed it most. I feel a little responsible because I caught the problem before but forgot bring it up. For one thing, I didn't think it would lead to catastrphic failure. Especially not right before the championship rounds. |
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Great job to all teams, especially the winning alliance, you guys played awesome. It's too bad we couldn't play our best match in that last final match
as our mentor mentioned our shooter bearing got dislodged, so our shooter would not shoot fast enough, it was heart breaking seeing us lined up and the balls just plopping out and going no where(we had settings to shoot from below the ramp!) also 753 could not drive due to overheating (the breakers were so hot from the match before that they hadn't had time to cool down... and tripped at normal driving)... oh well its all part of the game! great job everyone , second place is certainly not upsetting. Thanks to 753 and 955 for helping us get so far! The very nice thing i think was that EVERYONE was defending us (701) leaving 955 totally open and they scored probablby more points than us in the lower goals ! (we usually made 6-7 to goals while they human loaded and dumped 20+) |
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The victor was a huge dissapointment. I tried to sort of jerk and twist our bot into firing range with only half the drivetrain pulling which almost worked until the opposing alliance figured me out and gave us a friendly little shove back to where we started. We didn't have any chance once our bot couldn't get into firing range. As a side note, I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed meeting the other teams which I really tried to put a lot of effort into this regional when I had nothing to fix (mainly the drive teams during strategy meetings but also the others that came by to say hi) and congrats to all the people who got awards. |
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Team 814 had a phenominal time at Davis. Though we produced a robot that was hardly considered competitive, over half of the kids had never been to a competition before and had a lot to learn. Now I'm confident enough to say that my kids definitely know all that FIRST represents.
When we weren't picked for the finals, we weren't disappointed. It just made us realize we could root for our favorites instead. (701!! :]) There was so much energy during the finals. I swear it was louder than a high school football game. I love that team 245 won Chairmans. They're such a great group. I hope this motivates them to return once again in 2007. It wouldn't be Davis without them. Team 814 gives a huge thanks to UC Davis and everyone who made this regional possible. Keep up the good work and we'll see you next year! |
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Well, I must say that the UC Davis Regional was probably the funnest day of my life. I had so much fun cheering with all the teams there. I was the Fembot dancing around near the field in pair of wings, cape, and multiple other team spirit adornments. All the mascots down there were crazy cool. You guys rock.
Congratulations to all the teams that were in the finals and the winning alliance of 1726, 852, and 1662. You guys all did great. 1351 your robot was absolutely amazing. I'm sorry you had technical difficulties. It was so nice to have 368 there from Honolulu and great job on getting that spirit award. Good job to 245 on chairmans and 753 on the engineering inspiration award. Can't wait for next year and hope to see all the teams again. |
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Thanks to Alan, Bill, Steve, and Ken (the inspection crew). It was a pleasure working with you inspecting all of those great west coast 'bots. (I finally met and worked with the infamous Ken Leung :D )
Thanks Stu Bloom for the fine work as lead ref. I really liked the backup scoring system you guys used. I want to give a special thanks to Jason Morrella who gave team 34 every chance to compete by helping us track down our missing robot (It arrived 7:00 p.m. Thursday night :eek:). But most of all I want to thank all the teams and volunteers at the Davis/Sacramento regional. This was truly a great event in our book and I'm so glad we could attend. Our team always strives to help other teams at any event we go to but it was particularly inspiring to me to see so many come to our aid when we needed a hand. It just goes to show you that FIRSTers are FIRSTers no matter what part of this world they live in. :) I hope to see you all again soon ........... |
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Hey Ed...
just wanted to say thanks , you were by far one of the most helpful inspectors i've met! You addressed actual problems and told us how to fix them. |
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Just wanted to say thank to everyone who attended the regional i had the time of my life and i learned a lot from other teams an i wanted to congratulate the winners you definetly deserve the win you have earned it by far i also wanted to thnk 701 and 955 for being our alliance partners. Sorry to anyone whose robot we damaged. and I look forward to seeing the winners at nationals since we qualified by winning the PNW regional. And thanks ed we were running hot on our cannon and we appreciate you taking the concern nicely and being sincere. :D :D :D
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That was the best Regional that I'd ever attended in my life, and the last FIRST Robotics Competition in my high school career. Thank you to Team 701 and Team 753 for this amazing experience!
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My heart goes out to team David Tyco and his rookie team 1974. I do wish they come back again under better circumstances and wish David a speedy recovery. Team 34, 1726, and 100 really helped them out so they could get their robot running around on the field. They did eventually win one match and were able to score 9 points in a match. Thank you again to all those who attended the regional and we sure hope to have you back in the future. For those who missed some of the final matches, I'm starting to post some of them on our website along with Grant's (Mythbusters - Team 841) pep talk. |
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thanks for putting up those videos! If you want to fill in the blanks on which teams were in the matches, look here for the match info.
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Does anyone know where to find videos of this regional? My team and I wanted to watch them to see some of the great robots we may have missed.
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look at Doug G's post above, there's a link to the 701 website which has videos of several matches.
My web page has a photo collection of all the robots...no video yet though. |
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alot of match videos are available here:
http://www.vandenrobotics.org of course they all have us in them but there are other robots too :D |
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Is there a wya to order a video of the comp from the people who shoot the video of the competition. I dont know what company it is, if it is FIRST or not, would produce a video if they do or not i would like to know where to get a copy for my parents. :D any info would be awesome. Again this was by far my Favorite of the 2 regionals i attended it was a lot more competitive and a lot more fun thanks to all you guys and gals ;) it was the time of my life.
Thanks From Dane a member of 753. |
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there is some webcast video from the match archived on the NASA site here
http://robotics.nasa.gov/events/webcasts/sacr_2006.php I'm working on getting a few video clips I shot up on my web page. These videos take a broadband conection to download...if you don't have a fast connection to the internet, maybe someone on your team who does can download them and put them on a CD or DVD for you to enjoy? |
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here's another video of the final match, it is extra lousy quality and contains some irrational exuberance.
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:D :D Awesome i appreciate the help i only have 56K so that poses a problem but i'll email a buddy to see if he can download them and put them on a cd for me like you said. Again way to go on winning you guys kicked some tail so congrats, i hope to see you at nationals. :D :D
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If you can't find someone near you to do it, PM me and I'll mail you a CD.... |
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I have the matches we're in on our website at
www.vandenrobotics.org click on the "film" icon in the top right corner. |
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