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Michael Corsetto 13-03-2006 16:38

2006 Silicon Valley Regional
 
Hey guys, just thought I'd start the Silicon Valley regional thread since its only three days away. (I'm so excited)

I know that the team list is on the FIRST website and everything, but I just wanted to know whos pumped for Silicon Valley this year! I think its gonna be a blast!

Another thing I wanted to ask was who's planning on going to the team social Friday night? Jason Morrella posted an update about a month ago here announcing the return of the team social, but the FIRST official regional schedule doesn't have the social on it. Is the social still a go? An update would be very nice.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to the tough NorCal competition and hope to everyone there.

Mike Corsetto

Nuttyman54 13-03-2006 18:24

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We're pumped all right! Can't wait to play with you guys and all the other great teams at SVR! I've seen some of the robots, and it looks like tough competition.

NoodleKnight 13-03-2006 22:03

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Team 100 will be there.

And teams, if you bring a laptop with wireless capabilities, FIRST Scouting Network will be at SVR. Use it!

blue_crew 13-03-2006 23:33

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Thats great the FIRST Scouting Network will be in use. I am interested in hearing how it is working.

Nuttyman54 13-03-2006 23:38

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well, we HOPE it will be in use...everything's in place, except we haven't received the software. In the case that it never gets running, we'll have a primitive backup (essentially web pages with the team's scouting info listed). We really, sincerely hope to get FSN working however.

Ethulin 14-03-2006 00:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54
well, we HOPE it will be in use...everything's in place, except we haven't received the software. In the case that it never gets running, we'll have a primitive backup (essentially web pages with the team's scouting info listed). We really, sincerely hope to get FSN working however.

Well, I don't mean to be a tout :cool: but if you do not get it up you may consider STAMP as an alternative. It has been run for week 1 and week 2 and will have a v1.3 release out for week 3.

Dr.Bot 14-03-2006 11:59

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Since not all team got their LEDs, It is important for everyone to bring any extra LEDs (including last year's) To their regionals. FIRST has relaxed the requirement, but it makes everyone's job easier, including inspectors, refs, and anyone trying to debug hardware/software problems. Having LEDs makes the competition run faster for everyone. IF you have an extra set, please bring them to your regional, so that everyone can participate and enjoy the event with the best possible results.

I am Chief Robot Inspector at SVR and Sacramento - good luck all.

Nuttyman54 14-03-2006 21:54

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FSN has been recieved, and should be up and running!

billbo911 16-03-2006 18:30

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Just exactly where on the SJSU campus is the competition being held? A couple of the team members of 1147 and I are coming down to spy, err ahh, scout, ahh, I mean watch the competitions Saturday. We would love to lend a hand to anyone who might need it as well.

BTW, Nuttyman, I want to see your configuration of FSN. I got ours set for Davis/Sacramento and would love to see it in action before we actually put ours on the air.

SizzelChest330 16-03-2006 19:55

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Anyone else watching the webcast?

Doug G 16-03-2006 20:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SizzelChest330
Anyone else watching the webcast?

What webcast? Please fill us in - I must have overlooked it somewhere!!

Greg Ross 16-03-2006 20:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug G
What webcast? Please fill us in - I must have overlooked it somewhere!!

http://robotics.nasa.gov/events/webc...onals_2006.php

Quote:

Originally Posted by SizzelChest330
Anyone else watching the webcast?

Yep. I have it playing in the background. And I'm finding the music incredibly monotonous. :(

alphaone 17-03-2006 02:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911
Just exactly where on the SJSU campus is the competition being held? A couple of the team members of 1147 and I are coming down to spy, err ahh, scout, ahh, I mean watch the competitions Saturday. We would love to lend a hand to anyone who might need it as well.

They are being held at the event center. Here is a little map that I found that might help a little.

Hope that helps you out.

billbo911 17-03-2006 10:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaone
They are being held at the event center. Here is a little map that I found that might help a little.
Hope that helps you out.

Wow, that is all I can say!
This is way more that I needed, is what I hoped for, and exactly what you should expect from a member of 254. Way over the top helpful!!
Thx. See y'all there Saturday

evulish 17-03-2006 15:21

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There was a big article and a bunch of photos from SV on C|NET:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=45538

Greg Ross 17-03-2006 19:53

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End of the day, Friday... Why am I not surprised that the Poofs are undefeated and in 1st place? ;)

Rick TYler 17-03-2006 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
End of the day, Friday... Why am I not surprised that the Poofs are undefeated and in 1st place? ;)

You must respect the Cheesy Poofs' authoritae.

JackN 17-03-2006 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick TYler
You must respect the Cheesy Poofs' authoritae.

And the fact that they have won it every year since it's inception.

billbo911 17-03-2006 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GW (Greg) Ross
End of the day, Friday... Why am I not surprised that the Poofs are undefeated and in 1st place? ;)

Why am I not surprised?

1) They have a solid design, not over engineered, not prone to instability.
2) They have a well thought out STRATEGY for the game and they stick to it.
3) They have experience as a team.

Those three aspects make them a winning team! Always have, always will!

Are they undefeatable? Not at all. Find a $@#$@#$@#$@#$@# in their armour and you can beat them. It won't be easy, it will take commitment and sacrifice.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not attacking nor defending them. I am just expressing my admiration of their performance so far and my observations.

Personally, I believe they are a team to emulate. I also would have no end of pride in my team for defeating them.

Everyone loves to dethrone the top dog, but you might get bit in the process.

alphaone 17-03-2006 23:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911
Wow, that is all I can say!
This is way more that I needed, is what I hoped for, and exactly what you should expect from a member of 254. Way over the top helpful!!
Thx. See y'all there Saturday

No problem! Glad I could help.

Veselin Kolev 17-03-2006 23:56

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254 is amazing as usual, but oh man....

114 is rocking. Their robot is insane, it can move and shoot with their 2 axis turret. I would say that by far they have the most impressive robot out here. I talked to their guys and they did so much work on their shooter. Algorithms, testing, calibration, and now they very deservingly have the most impressive camara controlled system yet.

Good luck to them tomorrow, along with everyone else.

Michael Corsetto 18-03-2006 00:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Veselin Kolev
114 is rocking. Their robot is insane, it can move and shoot with their 2 axis turret. I would say that by far they have the most impressive robot out here. I talked to their guys and they did so much work on their shooter. Algorithms, testing, calibration, and now they very deservingly have the most impressive camara controlled system yet.

Good luck to them tomorrow, along with everyone else.

Thank you very much for the compliment Veselin. We are all very happy that the hard work we put into our robot is finally paying off. I don't believe our team has ever been undefeated after the first day of qualifying matches, so this all sort of seem sureal right now. :p

The competition at SVR has been great so far. We have had a couple very close matches and look forward to some very exciting elimination matches. Good luck everyone!!

Mike C.

BTW: 1072, your hopper is CRAZY. When I heard you guys could score 50 balls and keep them in a single file line, I was blown away. Your guy's bot is awsome.

blue_crew 18-03-2006 01:12

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congrats to 254 and 114 so far and good luck to all the other teams tomorrow. I wish i could get up there to san jose and see you guys.
How's FSN working for everyone?

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 17:42

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Whoa!
A robot caught on fire!

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 17:54

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I just tuned in, would that be why there where no robots on the field?

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 17:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
I just tuned in, would that be why there where no robots on the field?

Yeah when the bot caught on fire they told no one to go on the field and they didn't use an extinguisher so the robot could be repaired.

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:00

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Was it in the middle of a match, or after the match had finished?

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
Was it in the middle of a match, or after the match had finished?

At the end of the match the robot started to smoke badly. The announcers make it sound really bad for 766. They'll probably have to be replaced.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
At the end of the match the robot started to smoke badly. The announcers make it sound really bad for 766. They'll probably have to be replaced.

I stand corrected.

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:09

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wow those poofs have a great strategy, just like someone else i know. conquer the ramp and let the balls roll! I see them with a win again.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
wow those poofs have a great strategy, just like someone else i know. conquer the ramp and let the balls roll! I see them with a win again.

So long as no one follows you up there and throws you up like 271 did.

Joel J 18-03-2006 18:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
So long as no one follows you up there and throws you up like 271 did.

Yea, these guys at SVR are playing horrible defense.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joel J.
Yea, these guys at SVR are playing horrible defense.

The east is more known for defense than the west is.

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joel J.
Yea, these guys at SVR are playing horrible defense.

oh, yeah. they need a defensive clinic form the WMR.

Rick TYler 18-03-2006 18:15

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The Cheesy Poofs are the terrorists of FIRST. The defense has to be perfect for 120 seconds. The Poofs only need to get loose for 5.

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:15

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While this is the common saying, I'm not seeing any defense. You see 254 getting up the ramp with no resistance. We need some 195's and 177's out there :cool:

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
While this is the common saying, I'm not seeing any defense at all. You see 254 getting up the ramp with no resistance. We need some 195's and 177's out there :P

Is it time to get thoose Poofs over here to the east coast for a regional? ;)

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
While this is the common saying, I'm not seeing any defense at all. You see 254 getting up the ramp with no resistance. We need some 195's and 177's out there :P

I'm sure things will be different in Atlanta. The Poofs know that.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
Is it time to get thoose Poofs over here to the east coast for a regional? ;)

Last itme they came east was 2002 Buckeye.

The Lucas 18-03-2006 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
I'm sure things will be different in Atlanta. The Poofs know that.

In Atlanta, bots will try to pin them in the corner while they are human player loading.

Tom Bottiglieri 18-03-2006 18:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
Is it time to get thoose Poofs over here to the east coast for a regional? ;)

Look at the average points for teams at SVR. The only one that broke 20 was the Poofs, and only had an average of 24. 177 couldnt make a dent in the amount of balls 254 shoots in, and their average was 28 at UTC.

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:21

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I have a new favorite mascot, the hat thing from team 100!

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:25

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The song they are playing right now, anyone know the name!??! THIS IS THE SONG OF FIRST!

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
The song they are playing right now, anyone know the name!??! THIS IS THE SONG OF FIRST!

the chicago bulls intro?

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
I have a new favorite mascot, the hat thing from team 100!

That is the best mascot by a mile.

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:26

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I don't know, they usually play it before the final rounds. Its definitely one of those "tense you up" songs.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:29

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You gotta move that bot from it's sweet spot or they will kill you!

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:30

Re: 2006 Silicon Valley Regional
 
They were doing it for a while, and then they just drove away...and left it wide open.

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:31

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They even scored a bunch off the ramp!

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
They were doing it for a while, and then they just drove away...and left it wide open.

WHen we battled the Sparx and DIvision by Zero in the last match we knew if either of them got free they would score and all they needed was a second and three ball to seal the deal. You can't let up on bots like that for 1 second or they can do serious damage.

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:33

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One point off from having to do a replay...the field crew got lucky on that one!

codeoftherobot 18-03-2006 18:34

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If I recall correctly when I was down at SVR on thursday and friday, they were experimenting on the practice field in order to be able to shoot from the ground and not the ramp which is what they just did. I suspected a trump card in their hand.

While their strategy is successful, they are the only high scorer on their team which can lead to some problems if 254's robot was ever damaged.

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
WHen we battled the Sparx and DIvision by Zero in the last match we knew if either of them got free they would score and all they needed was a second and three ball to seal the deal. You can't let up on bots like that for 1 second or they can do serious damage.

That is correct, if you watched the WMR feed, you would see how 111 and the whole alliance just stormed 71, yes they got away but did not do damage because they had to go to the other side of the field to score. so by the time the made it they were once again bombed by the alliance and that accounted for their first loss in a finals.

The Lucas 18-03-2006 18:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
They even scored a bunch off the ramp!

They have been doing that, but I've never seen them take a shot longer than 7 ft.

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lucas
They have been doing that, but I've never seen them take a shot longer than 7 ft.

i was saying while they were on the carpet. but i am totally impressed with their robot too.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:49

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Now that's the way ya do it!

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:51

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OMG....could the winning streak actually be over?

Alex Cormier 18-03-2006 18:52

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ouch 2 points!!!!!!!! ony 1 ball in the center goal by poofs and they would have won!

The Lucas 18-03-2006 18:54

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Wow, Poofs lose 51-53 in a thriller. Blue manged to keep them far enough away that all their shots hit the light.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 18:55

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Every time I see team 100's mascot I think of Mastershake.

BoyWithCape195 18-03-2006 18:58

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The alliance with the ruined wheel, what alliance where they on?

Joel J 18-03-2006 18:58

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not with poofs.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 19:00

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Is anyone surprised the Poofs allowed the blue team their timeout? They aint a HOF team for nothing.

Mike Hendricks 18-03-2006 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
Is anyone surprised the Poofs allowed the blue team their timeout? They aint a HOF team for nothing.

Not at all. 254 is an awesome team. :) Although, letting them do that might be playing with fire; considering the fact that it is tied 1-1, and 254 has never lost at SVR.

Vivelation 18-03-2006 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
Is anyone surprised the Poofs allowed the blue team their timeout? They aint a HOF team for nothing.

not surprised at all, definitely something they'd do, esp since they're always willing to lend a hand... HOF team indeed :]

rock lobster!

Rick TYler 18-03-2006 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
Is anyone surprised the Poofs allowed the blue team their timeout? They aint a HOF team for nothing.

I would be surprised at any FIRST team that didn't call this timeout. Should I be less naive?

The Lucas 18-03-2006 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatMike
Not at all. 254 is an awesome team. :) Although, letting them do that might be playing with fire; considering the fact that it is tied 1-1, and 254 has never lost at SVR.

And 1280's auto shooting and D is what won blue the last match. If they get fixed this could be a close rubber match.

Rick TYler 18-03-2006 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatMike
Not at all. 254 is an awesome team. :) Although, letting them do that might be playing with fire; considering the fact that it is tied 1-1, and 254 has never lost at SVR.

It's still going to be a war. 1280 and their alliance belong where they are.

Mike Hendricks 18-03-2006 19:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lucas
And 1280's auto shooting and D is what won blue the last match. If they get fixed this could be a close rubber match.

Looks like we'll find out. 1280 is fixed and on the field. The 254 coach just went over and shaked the hands of the people on 1280 when they were putting the bot on the field; GP indeed.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 19:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick TYler
I would be surprised at any FIRST team that didn't call this timeout. Should I be less naive?

You are exactly right. In fact I have seen this quite alot this year. If FIRST released a proper FIRST etiquette book this would be listed as expected behavior.

Mike Hendricks 18-03-2006 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick TYler
It's still going to be a war. 1280 and their alliance belong where they are.

Well .. that was intense. 254 did it again. I was worried for awhile :rolleyes:

Vivelation 18-03-2006 19:13

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and the winning streak continues... congrats to the cheesypoofs!

wow this totally beat studying for finals and getting lunch

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 19:30

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SOmebody fire the DJ before he plays agian!
Does he realize that he's playing at a family event instead of a club?
Yeesh!

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 19:49

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114 makes awesome animations.

Koko Ed 18-03-2006 20:18

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192 winning the Chairman's has to be the feel good story for FIRST this year.
Good job!

Bill Moore 18-03-2006 20:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
192 winning the Chairman's has to be the feel good story for FIRST this year.
Good job!

Amen, Koko Ed!
To pull through the difficulties they have dealt with over the past year, and successfully emerge as a Chairman's Winner is remarkable!

CONGRATULATIONS GUNN ROBOTICS!

MOE will be at Championships dancing as usual, so come on over and join us again.

slickguy2007 18-03-2006 23:38

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Great regional overall. Congrats to 192 for chairmans. Congrats on yet another victory for team 254. Is it just me, or do the drivers from 254 blow your mind? They were unbelievably accurate despite the VERY heavy defense. Simply amazing....


GO 1403!!!

Tureyhall 19-03-2006 00:20

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oh well, we were soooo close.............. NEXT YEAR!!!!!!

Nuttyman54 19-03-2006 02:19

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Am I the only one who noticed that the Poofs kept one trick up their sleeve? In all the previous matches, their autonomous mode was in low gear. For the FINAL match, they put it in high gear, and prevented 1280 from scoring in auto. VERY GOOD ADAPTATION! Congratulations to all teams, especially the award winners. We're really proud of our mentee, 1970, who were dead last and still kept the spirit up to win the Judges Award for day 2!

TyffaneeSue 19-03-2006 12:14

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Looks as though we're not allowed to post unless we can spout happy talk? Might be worthwhile to step back and ask yourself why you need to resort to censorship to prevent discussion of issues that need to be addressed.

I thought it was a major insult to give the top award to a team that certainly did not embody the spirit of FIRST--unless FIRST strives to be the robotic counterpart to Enron. (Perhaps that IS the message here?)

I would have been fine with Gunn getting the Comeback Team of the Year award. But the Chair award, as with many of the other awards, seemed to be based on politics.

MrForbes 19-03-2006 12:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tureyhall
I got to high-five Steve Wozniak!

was he wearing his Nixe watch?

whakojacko 19-03-2006 12:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel
was he wearing his Nixe watch?

I didnt high five him, but I got some potentially embarassing video of him and other judges attempting to dance

razor95kds 19-03-2006 14:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
At the end of the match the robot started to smoke badly. The announcers make it sound really bad for 766. They'll probably have to be replaced.

The battery terminal was loose causing it to heat up and the plastic casing caught one fire. It was no problem to fix because all we had to do was to replace the battery.

Bill Gold 19-03-2006 15:11

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At the risk of derailing this thread completely…

Quote:

Originally Posted by TyffaneeSue
Looks as though we're not allowed to post unless we can spout happy talk? Might be worthwhile to step back and ask yourself why you need to resort to censorship to prevent discussion of issues that need to be addressed.

I thought it was a major insult to give the top award to a team that certainly did not embody the spirit of FIRST--unless FIRST strives to be the robotic counterpart to Enron. (Perhaps that IS the message here?)

I would have been fine with Gunn getting the Comeback Team of the Year award. But the Chair award, as with many of the other awards, seemed to be based on politics.

This website is private and may censor posts as moderators in agreement choose. The bottom line on whether a post is accepted resides with the team who hosts this private forum, so if you feel that you were improperly censored by a moderator who doesn't belong to that team you should take it up with one who does, or Brandon.

Saying a team doesn't embody the spirit of FIRST and that they're something related to a company whose executives (in the eyes of many) made a ton of money and left its employees with next to nothing sounds like a bunch of libel coming from someone who will not identify themselves. This whole topic (GRT last season) has been stricken from ChiefDelphi before and I wouldn't be surprised if your posts were deleted. I’m not as quick as some are to delete posts, so this post of mine may disappear in an attempt to purge your comments from the website. I’ve got no problem with that if other moderators feel it’s necessary, but you can rest assured that I won't be using my status as a moderator to keep you quiet on this topic. That's a decision for others to make who don't have a dog in this fight.

There is no such thing as a Comeback Team of the Year Award. That's something you should take up with FIRST. It kind of sounds like an "Overcoming Obstacles" Award, though, and I don't really think that you'd want to think of yourself as an obstacle for a robotics team now would you? Especially since leading to the prevention of students being able to participate in this program also doesn't seem to be in the spirit of FIRST, which you so nobly claim to be a champion of. I feel that being able to take responsibility for your actions and statements is something that one should learn in this program, and I’m very disappointed that there are forum trolls here who would sit back behind completely indistinguishable forum names and blast a team without fear of scrutiny. Out of curiosity which disgruntled student or parent are you?

I’ll start up or post in a “2006 Thanks / Congrats SVR” thread later on today after I’ve had a chance to organize my thoughts on that topic.

obitusis 19-03-2006 15:12

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Hey does anyone know when/where the video of SVR will be up?

Sila741 19-03-2006 15:19

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Girls totally rule! 1868(Space Cookies) seeded 5th, and won the rookie all-stars award! We never expected to even be in the top 8. See everybody in Atlanta!

TyffaneeSue 19-03-2006 16:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Gold
At the risk of derailing this thread completely…


This website is private and may censor posts as moderators in agreement choose.

I understand. That's not the question. The question is whether the forum values debate and discussion of issues that may sometimes be unpleasant. And I guess I am finding out the answer to that.
Quote:

This whole topic (GRT last season) has been stricken from ChiefDelphi before and I wouldn't be surprised if your posts were deleted.
Wow. Read 1984 lately? Revisionism lives!
Quote:

There is no such thing as a Comeback Team of the Year Award. That's something you should take up with FIRST. It kind of sounds like an "Overcoming Obstacles" Award, though, and I don't really think that you'd want to think of yourself as an obstacle for a robotics team now would you?
I happen to think it's quite noble to overcome obstacles. That may be a concept foreign (and unpalatable) to many of the overprivileged in this valley.
Quote:

Especially since leading to the prevention of students being able to participate in this program also doesn't seem to be in the spirit of FIRST
??? When did I say that? The main factor preventing student participation is the heavy $$$ required (see aforementioned comment on overprivilege).
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I’m very disappointed that there are forum trolls here who would sit back behind completely indistinguishable forum names and blast a team without fear of scrutiny. Out of curiosity which disgruntled student or parent are you?
Does the term ad hominem mean anything to you? I'd much rather discuss the issue than try to fend off a personal attack! Also, am not sure I'd characterize myself as "disgruntled." "Offended" might be a better adjective. (Plus I find it interesting that Gunn already had reservations in Atlanta as of yesterday.) Suffice to say that I'm fortunate to have grown up in an era when freedom of speech was highly valued. I find political correctness to be a dreary and regressive concept, plus it's hard to continue to grow and improve if the only feedback you ever receive is an inane "good job!"

Madison 19-03-2006 16:29

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Originally Posted by TyffaneeSue
Wow. Read 1984 lately? Revisionism lives!

My understanding has been that, because what happened on team 192 involved legal action, the nice folks who give us ChiefDelphi.com have decided that it is in the best interest of this community and their team to abstain from and prohibit any explicit discussion of those events. I can't speak on their behalf, but that seems a wise choice to me.

As such, we've been asked to cast a critical eye on discussion about Gunn and to, at our discretion, somehow alter or remove content which may place ChiefDelphi in an unsolicited and unwarranted position of involvement with these matters.

Joobacca 19-03-2006 17:16

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I would prefer to abstain from entering the conversation, but I would like to add that no matter how much freedom one should have to speak their mind, it's never nice to talk down to a team who persevered and came back to FIRST with a stronger and more spiritual attitude than ever before. We didn't win because of last year; we won because we've worked so hard to accomplish what was once started years ago.

Thanks to all the teams who went to the Silicon Valley Regional 2006, it was an awesome 3 days for me and hopefully we will see you at the Championship in Atlanta.

-Co Driver, Team 192, Gunn Robotics Team

Mike Hendricks 19-03-2006 17:29

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Originally Posted by Joobacca
I would prefer to abstain from entering the conversation, but I would like to add that no matter how much freedom one should have to speak their mind, it's never nice to talk down to a team who persevered and came back to FIRST with a stronger and more spiritual attitude than ever before. We didn't win because of last year; we won because we've worked so hard to accomplish what was once started years ago.

Thank you for saying that; While I don't know all the "legal" issues that the team had, I think its extremely safe to say that the Chairmans Award is taken VERY seriously. Not only by the teams, but by FIRST and the Judges as well. With that said, I have a hard time believing that FIRST would give a team the Chairmans that didn't deserve it.

And personally, It's not really in the spirit of FIRST to go off and say that a team received an award that they didn't deserve. I'm sure it has happened before, and it'll happen again, but my feeling of the matter is - If you felt they deserved it, congratulate them. If they didn't deserve it, but won it anyways, try to figure out ways to improve on your own team, so you'll have a better chance at it next year.

With that being said, any Chairmans award winner is worthy of a congratulations from me. Congratulations 192, Chairmans is something to be proud of. With any luck, we'll see you in Atlanta next month. :)

Jason Morrella 19-03-2006 17:43

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Originally Posted by TyffaneeSue

I thought it was a major insult to give the top award to a team that certainly did not embody the spirit of FIRST--unless FIRST strives to be the robotic counterpart to Enron. (Perhaps that IS the message here?)

I would have been fine with Gunn getting the Comeback Team of the Year award. But the Chair award, as with many of the other awards, seemed to be based on politics.

# 1 - "was based on politics"? You clearly didn't listen to the judges description of the award they gave. They detailed the reasons why they felt GRT 192 was a worthy Chairman's Award Team - community outreach, helping other teams over the years, always having great team spirit, supporting FLL, the obvious impact of their program on their students as demonstrated by the universities and companies many of their graduates/alumni have moved on to, and yes, some obstacles they overcame in the past year. GRT received the Chairman's Award in the past (BEFORE the issues of last year), and now this year. They received the award for many reasons - however "politics" was certainly not one of them - please give our judges a little more credit than that. To GRT - be very proud of your award, you are a great team.

# 2 - I wish CD had a rule that all registered users had to identify themselves to post - it would certainly eliminate most (not all) of the petty and slanderous posts made on this forum. But as Bill and others have pointed out - it is a private forum, they can run it however they want, they do (and should) make rules for their forum, and if you/I/we don't like it, then don't come on the forum. If they want to moderate/delete posts they don't feel are constructive or gracious, all the power to them.

# 3 - As a general rule, I know that most people I speak to in FIRST who frequent Chief Delphi do not put much stock in statements/comments/slander made by people anonymously. When I see someone make an anonymous post which flames/insults/slanders another team or person - I (and I think many) associate one, some or all of the following with the post and the person making it:

pettiness, frustration, anger, resentment, jealousy, poor sportsmanship, ignorance, cowardice, doesn't handle losing well, in most cases doesn't really know anything of substance about the person or team they are talking about, and their post is just assumptions and speculations they "think" are true but actually aren't (or flat out attacks and/or lies they know aren't true but are making because they can do so anonymously).

This is obviously not only about this post regarding GRT, it's about many posts over the years on CD where people let their personal issues (see above list) cloud their objectivity, and the result is that they put down an entire team which NEVER deserves it. If you have a problem with a person or a few people on a team, fine. Don't discredit all the students and mentors on that team who put so much time, effort and passion into their program.

My opinion - if you feel you have something of value to say, something important, something factual, and something informative to share with the community - then do so with some conviction and be honest about who you are and what your bias/agenda/opinion might be. Everyone on this forum has opinions and everyone at some point disagrees greatly with what others think/say - that's great in a constructive and respectful atmosphere - we can certainly agree to disagree and still share our views. But stand up for your views and make them YOURS if you are going to post them, not some anonymous view you don't have to take credit for.

sorry for the soap box - just hate to see posts try to discredit the accomplishments and hard work of any teams, and especially the students on those teams.

Nuttyman54 19-03-2006 18:02

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I would like to say that Gunn deserved that award. They are an amazing team. They won because they had enough motivation, spirit and dedication to work through the toughest situation that any team can encouter, and came back stronger than before. And I don't think it takes a FIRST Judge to notice and recognize that.

On another note: here's my interpretation of why most of the discussion on GRT was removed.

1) It involved many people who have different opinions and would cause a large number of arguments on CD

2) Very few people know the full story of what happened. I know I don't.

3) It doesn't help anyone to continue the discussion. As Dave Lavery said in another thread, this was an isolated incident. It's HIGHLY unlikely that this will ever happen on another team. There is no reason to analyze what went wrong. They're back and that's what matters.

Cory 19-03-2006 18:09

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Originally Posted by Nuttyman54
On another note: here's my interpretation of why most of the discussion on GRT was removed.

I'm fairly sure it's because the good folks who operate the Chiefdelphi website wanted no part of an issue that was an ongoing legal process, and as such shut down all speculation on the topic that could lead to problems down the line.

At any rate, that's all in the past, so there's really no point in wasting space here rehashing what's done.

meaubry 19-03-2006 18:39

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We, Team47 Chief Delphi, invest alot of money and time into this website. We rely heavily upon Brandon (webmaster) and our moderators in assuring the website is being managed carefully.
The rules governing the use are posted and although they may not include every little aspect of when to close, delete or ask some to modify a post - the moderators have been given authority to assist us in trying to keep this site a helpful, sharing, place for the community of FIRST to gather and communicate their ideas.
Sometimes, over the past 10 years, we have reacted to certain situations (threads and posts) that are not helpful or border on hurtful - particularly when they do not add any value to improving the entire FIRST community.
We welcome opinions, ideas, suggestion, in a wide variety of forums.
We work hard to try and find the right balance, as in the heat of the moment, "words" can be written that can cause enormous damage to both the person (not the team) posting and the team/person that is the focus of the post.
Saying that -
We (and the moderators we have entrusted) have and do retain the right to delete any and all posts that we see fit - for whatever reason that we deem appropriate.
We do not take this lightly and often have much discussion among ourselves as to the appropriate actions that are taken.
We thank any and all users that comply and revise posts, when suggested via pm or email.
We are proud of the website and hope everyone can respect our decisions in managing it.

Thanks for listening,
Mike Aubry

Dr.Bot 20-03-2006 17:27

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It made my heart soar like a eagle to see GRT back at SVR. When the
Chairman's award was announced, they got the loudest standing ovation I ever heard for any FIRST team, and they deserved it.

The 2006 SVR was the best FIRST event I've ever been to, and that includes
the 2000 National Championship. I admit I was a bit conflicted, having mentored 668 this year and 254 last year. I hope everyone's realized that 668 competed in the finals with a busted ball gun (stripped gears), and 1280 had only three wheels for the final match. In one of the greatest gestures of GP I ever saw, the 254 alliance granted an extra time out so that 1280 could tack on a caster, so they could run on three wheels.

A long time ago, after 254 won an event, I told Mark Leon, "You must be so proud of your team." (254 is the NASA Ames house team). I'll never forget what he said to me. "All of them are my teams!"

I am so proud of all of the teams that competed at SVR(and anywhere else). You guys give me hope for the future of our world.

Daniela B 21-03-2006 02:41

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Hi,
I don't post on these forums very much however I felt now would be the appropriate time to start. I'm the student leader from 192 and I would like to say thank you to everybody who was so amazingly supportive and helpful to our team this year. It was wonderful to have so many people come up to the team and myself and say that they were happy to see us back. This was without doubt the best regional I've attended, and we're all thrilled to have won the chairman's award. Thanks again to everybody for all your support and help and I look forward to seeing you all at nationals.
Regards,
Daniela

steven114 21-03-2006 10:34

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Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195
The song they are playing right now, anyone know the name!??! THIS IS THE SONG OF FIRST!

Sirius, by The Alan Parsons Project is what you're referring to.

Koko Ed 23-03-2006 19:42

Have your friends check the SVR Semi finals archive.
Slide the timer up to 7:37 and you can see the mascot dancing with a girl.

Nuttyman54 23-03-2006 20:22

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That's the Gatorbotics' (Team 1700) mascot. You can probably also see the Apes of Wrath's (668) banana and Wildcats' (100) hat.


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