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sanddrag

14-03-2006 00:00

Attention tipped over robots! Please use the e-stop button.

As I understand it, if a robot is disabled by means of the e-stop button, the alliance is no longer required to have a backbot. (please correct me if this is untrue) So, for the courtesy to your alliance, if you tip over, please hit the e-stop button. Thank you.

Tom Bottiglieri

14-03-2006 00:12

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The backbot rule states a team can have a maximum of 2 operable robots on the close side of the field while on defense. If a robot flips, it is inoperable. It does need to be e-stopped.

Gillz

14-03-2006 00:15

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Wait, so if a robot tips, the a backbot is no longer required?

I wish I knew that!

Jack Jones

14-03-2006 00:16

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Right on about the flipped over bot. The E-stop advice applies to when the drive train and such goes away.

Ethulin

14-03-2006 00:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gillz

Wait, so if a robot tips, the a backbot is no longer required?

I wish I knew that!

Yes, but you must hit your E-stop button.

Gillz

14-03-2006 01:06

Re: Attention tipped over robots! Please use the e-stop button.

Hmmm, I'll tell my drivers that, they might have not known that.

Thanks!

Rombus

14-03-2006 02:19

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the ref explained this at buckeye before our first match, but there were still teams that sat onsides disabled and raked up 40 points off offsides bonus.

Waynep

14-03-2006 03:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethulin

Yes, but you must hit your E-stop button.

Ethulin,
Please reread Tom's post from above. What he said was consistent with the refs ruling at Pittsburgh. If your robots tipped it was inoperable and considered disabled. You only have to hit the E-stop if you have a disabled upright robot for it not to count offsides.
Best,
Wayne

EricRobodox

14-03-2006 03:53

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I think you have to hit the e-stop button. A team in Arizona got offside penalty when flipped over because the did not hit their e-stop button until a few seconds after they fliped. I think you have to hit the e-stop button once fliped so you dont get the backbot penalty.

Steve W

14-03-2006 07:23

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Could some one show me in the rules were this is so. I have seen robots tipped over and there still had to be a back bot. The only exception that I have seen to have no back bot is when there is only 2 teams in the alliance.

Lisa Perez

14-03-2006 07:29

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Here's what I found:

Quote:

<G26> ROBOT Off Sides - During the SECOND and THIRD PERIODS the ALLIANCE on defense can have at most two (2) operable* ROBOTS on the defensive end of the field (the near end of the field, from the ALLIANCE point of view). If the ALLIANCE has a third operable ROBOT, that ROBOT (the BACKBOT) must be positioned on the end of the field farthest from the ALLIANCE STATION.

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* Note: a ROBOT will be considered operable unless the robot has fallen over and cannot be righted, or the ROBOT has been disabled by the field control system, or the team has pushed the "E-Stop" button to disable the ROBOT. Loss of control due to operator error, user software errors, or faulty mechanical systems are not sufficient to cause a ROBOT to be classified as "inoperable."

DjAlamose

14-03-2006 07:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Update 15

* Note: a ROBOT will be considered operable unless the robot has fallen over and cannot
be righted, or the ROBOT has been disabled by the field control system, or the team has
pushed the "E-Stop" button to disable the ROBOT. Loss of control due to operator error,
user software errors, or faulty mechanical systems are not sufficient to cause a ROBOT to
be classified as "inoperable."

This was taken directly from update 15

KenWittlief

14-03-2006 08:48

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I would never hit the Estop button unless your robot is out of control.

I have seen too many matches where a robot is tipped over, and some how or other it ends up back on its wheels

the rule quoted above says ...OR....OR....OR......

NOT ....AND....AND.....AND.....

Kevin Sevcik

14-03-2006 10:02

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I'll agree with Ken. There are occasions to hit the e-stop, though. In our first round, we got hit with the 8.2V bug, so I had the drivers hit the E-Stop since the robot was just moving back and forth and not responding to controls anyways.

Madison

14-03-2006 10:39

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In years past, I recall that it was possible to reenable your robot using that same button. Is that still possible?

...I'm imagining a situation where a robot is 'disabled' in front of a corner goal for the duration of a period and reenabled so as to continue playing.

I'm not saying I'd do it, but I'm curious if it's possible.

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