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Re: Percentage of Work Done by Students.

100% Student Built Goodness!

With chocolate!

:yikes:

Re: Percentage of Work Done by Students.

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Originally Posted by Matt Reiland

I don't know about the rest of you but our robot was 100% built by team 226. Our team consists of students, parents, teachers, engineers, and alumni.

In most teams, usually you win or lose as a team not as a subset of the group. The one thing I hate more than anything is working on a team and having others in the team taking all the credit. As I say every year, so you built your robot with just students, yippee, woo hooo, you built it totally with engineers or mentors, fantastic, a mix of both..... super duper. I really, really, really don't care. At least in my business one of the key things that the executive director at GM always tells us is that the customer doesn't care about which brand of PLC or robot we use to build cars or whose specification we used to program the PLC's. The customer does however care about the end product not necessarily how we got there. Just a little food for thought.

Are there any other teams out there that built there robot as a TEAM???

Bravo Matt, you've got it right.

FIRST is not advanced shop class.
FIRST is not about the robot.
It doesn't matter who designed and built the robot.

Science and Technology can solve difficult problems, but not without people. FIRST is about training people to work as a TEAM to accomplish some (fiendishly difficult) task.

Students do most of the work at Team 1676, but that's just because we are lucky to have kids who understand how to make stuff, and a school with fairly decent facilities. Teams who send their robot design out for fabrication aren't any less of a team for doing that.

However I would prevail upon all adults involved in the program to step back and ask if a student could do the task. If so, let them. It's their mistake to make and their lesson to learn.

Don

Re: Percentage of Work Done by Students.

We are 100% Student built, we had no help from any one.
except the closest thing to an engineer we had was the auto shop teacher and we used his help in the machine shop. He was the supervisor that we used in order for us to use the power tools.

Re: Percentage of Work Done by Students.

all the work on the robot is about 90-95% done by students...some parts done more or less by the engineers. most of the engineers and mentors simply guide the students, and students have a say in everything. everything else..like animation, CAD, marketing, logistical work, even most programming..is done 100% by students, or at least close enough.

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while I also believe, like most of you, that students should be as independent as possible, and try to design and build, design, and program most of the robot ourselves, but there gets to a point in some seasons where the mentors have to step in and say "alright, it's a week to the ship date, and we need to do this, this , and this". They are there to make sure we don't screw up, and to make sure we have a feasible bot at the competition. It is all about the level of "guiding". Our bot is mostly built and assemblied by the students, but unfortunately, we are not experienced enough to independently write our own code and machine certain parts (can be partially attributed to the lack of facilities), but the mentors are there so that we will be able to do that somewhere down the road. I mean certain stumbling blocks are always gonna be there every season, and the mentors should let us, the students, attempt to solve it by ourselves; but if its a week from the ship date, and the robot is still 4 different half-working parts, there just isn't time for this sort of "learning process". I guess what i'm trying to say is-- at the end of each season, sometimes, just trying our very best to create the robot by ourselves (the students) is all that we can do.