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Ken Leung 12-04-2006 04:20

Beware of hacker bothering CD users
 
Had an interesting experience tonight. Someone with screen name "LiLWsTsiDeOuTLaW" IMed me out of no where in the middle of the night, saying How r u I need hlp with outlook u from that robot thing right from that forum right ken?

As I try to figure out what he (I assume he's a he) needed help with, he kept changing the topic, something about an error with command prompt, and then something about a problem on his computer. He kept pretending he doesn't know anything about computers. Then he started trying to send me files over AIM, he claimed they are screen shots of errors on his desktop. I immediately got suspicious and rejected the files. He kept trying to send files to me and gave up after a few times, and I stopped talking to him.

Then I checked his AIM profile and it say the following things:

Downloading Virus...

58%

Date: 4/12/2006
Time: 1:17:22 AM
Name: *edited*
Ip: *edited*
Status: Deleting C Drive...


Buying a computer: $1,500
Getting The Internet: $50
Seeing your face after noticing
I was hacking into your computer: Priceless

Pinging... Success
Hacking In... Success
Deleting C Drive...


All I can say is... Becareful about random people IMing you trying to send you files... I am only bringing this up because he got my AIM screen name on Chief Delphi, and if he can get mine he can get anyone else's. He may or may not be related to the recent attacks on this forum.

Just thought I should bring it up...

Koko Ed 12-04-2006 05:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Leung
Had an interesting experience tonight. Someone with screen name "LiLWsTsiDeOuTLaW" IMed me out of no where in the middle of the night, saying How r u I need hlp with outlook u from that robot thing right from that forum right ken?

As I try to figure out what he (I assume he's a he) needed help with, he kept changing the topic, something about an error with command prompt, and then something about a problem on his computer. He kept pretending he doesn't know anything about computers. Then he started trying to send me files over AIM. I immediately got suspicious got rejected the files. He kept trying to send files to me and gave up after a few times, and I stopped talking to him.

Then I checked his AIM profile and it say the following things:

Downloading Virus...

58%

Date: 4/12/2006
Time: 1:17:22 AM
Name: *edited*
Ip: *edited*
Status: Deleting C Drive...


Buying a computer: $1,500
Getting The Internet: $50
Seeing your face after noticing
I was hacking into your computer: Priceless

Pinging... Success
Hacking In... Success
Deleting C Drive...


All I can say is... Becareful about random people IMing you trying to send you files... I am only bringing this up because he got my AIM screen name on Chief Delphi, and if he can get mine he can get anyone else's. He may or may not be related to the recent attacks on this forum.

Just thought I should bring it up...

I wonder if it was those clowns who invaded last weekend? They talked openly about causing mayhem here and some of them seemed to know their way around a computer.

Jay H 237 12-04-2006 05:22

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed
I wonder if it was those clowns who invaded last weekend? They talked openly about causing mayhem here and some of them seemed to know their way around a computer.

Last weekend was the first time I've seen this place come under an attack like that. Although Ken's incident could be unrelated, with the number of attacks last weekend I wouldn't be surprised if they were to try something else.

Ken, could we make this a sticky for a few weeks so others on here have a good chance of seeing this. I'd hate to hear about one of our members on here getting attacked. :mad:

Jack Jones 12-04-2006 08:26

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We don't need to fret the profile stuff. It's just a twit acting his age, or shoe size, whichever is lowest.

As long as the file transfers are rejected, he's impotent, which is most likely the case rejected or not. I bet he gets rejected a lot - it would explain all that time on his hands. :)

Adam Shapiro 12-04-2006 10:19

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Originally Posted by Jack Jones
We don't need to fret the profile stuff. It's just a twit acting his age, or shoe size, whichever is lowest.

As long as the file transfers are rejected, he's impotent, which is most likely the case rejected or not. I bet he gets rejected a lot - it would explain all that time on his hands. :)

Precisely. While it is possible that someone may be able to gain access to your computer, the chances of it are extremely slim, even if they are speaking directly to you through IM. Most likely you have a firewall (or two) protecting your computer without requiring any input or setup from you. Without you running a "backdoor" program, like the ones he tried to send you, he'd have very little chance of getting in, especially in the short timeframe you noted. It sounds more like some jerk trying to look "cool" and cause a disturbance in our community.

Matt Krass 12-04-2006 12:43

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Just as a precaution everyone might want to run a good antiviral and firewall program, as well as a malware scanner. I recommend the following:

Ad-Aware Personal - Malware Scanner - www.lavasoft.com
Spybot S&D - Malware Scanner - www.safer-networking.org
AVG Anti-Virus -Anti-viral - http://free.grisoft.com
ZoneAlarm Basic - Simple Firewall Package - http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/catalog/products/sku_list_za.jsp?dc=12bms&ctry=US&lang=en&lid=dbtop nav_zass


That's a nice little software package right there that pretty much stops 99.95% of all trouble, and makes handling the rest pretty easy. It's all freely available software (at least it was last I checked :) ) Also keep your operating system patched and updated with all the latest fixes and such. If anyone suspects they're compromised send me a PM with your reasoning (why you think you're compromised) and I'll see what I have on hand to help you.

Also, a tip from Joseph Matt:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Matt
(12:42:53 PM) Joe Matt: you forgot to mention "JUST GET A MAC"
(12:42:58 PM) Joe Matt: but i forgive you for that slight oversight


sanddrag 12-04-2006 12:46

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I'm no computer genious like Matt but I would not recommend Zone Alarm. Causes more trouble than it's worth if you ask me. I've also heard stories of it destroying the Windows XP TCP/IP stack if it is uninstalled improperly.

Matt Krass 12-04-2006 12:49

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Originally Posted by sanddrag
I'm no computer genious like Matt but I would not recommend Zone Alarm. Causes more trouble than it's worth if you ask me. I've also heard stories of it destroying the Windows XP TCP/IP stack if it is uninstalled improperly.

I've never had a problem like that, but I haven't uninstalled it in a while. My friends also use it without trouble. I'll look in to this and update my post if I find a better solution.

Also, I should note that the builtin Windows Firewall has a not so hot track record, I wouldn't recommend using it alone, or at all. Plus if you have a router, your behind a hardware firewall as well, but (at least in the case of Linksys) it's a friendly helpful one and may unblock ports if it thinks you wanted it to :) So I would still have a software firewall.

Jeff Rodriguez 12-04-2006 13:12

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A combination of a router, windows firewall and free zonealarm will work fine. I use them on both my PCs an haven't had any trouble.

The free Zonealarm does not have uninstall issues like the full version. I uninstalled both.

Ken Leung 12-04-2006 14:26

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I use a combination of spyware doctor, spybot search & destroy, and Norton Antivirus, so I wasn't worried... On the other hand, it's just a good idea not to accept any files from a stranger. Who knows what they have on that file? (What are the chances that he is sending something especially "choice", knowing that it will do more damage than more benign virus/spyware.)

Anyway, I just thought I would like to give you guys a heads up. Especially since the attack on CD forum shortly ago. I would hate it if someone actually downloaded something from random people claiming to be from this forum, got their computer damaged, and never come back because of that.

KenWittlief 12-04-2006 16:02

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There is a way hackers can cause you grief without gaining control of your computer.

Dont use the same password on any of your internet accounts. A hacker can monitor the raw traffic from your IP address. As you log into different websites the encryption is all different, BUT if you use use same password for different accounts there are programs that will analize the encrypted 'hash' and figure out your password.

The prevention is easy - use a different password for every website account you have.

Bill Moore 12-04-2006 16:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Krass
Also, a tip from Joseph Matt . . .
Quote:

Originally Posted by JOE Matt
you forgot to mention "JUST GET A MAC"


The Mac public has had to deal with fewer of these malicious attacks than folks running Windows OS's, but with the new Boot Camp from Apple that won't hold true anymore for folks wanting to run Windows on their Mac. Those who have been diligent about computer security prior to Boot Camp will continue to be diligent, but those who have ignored security will learn a lesson quickly if they choose to run WinXP unprotected.

Tomasz Bania 12-04-2006 16:29

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This same person sent me the same message and I figured it out and blocked him immediately. He probably just made a random account to hack. At the time he tryed this with me (last week), his profile (assuming it's a he) only listed "I have computer trouble" so I was leinient at First. Than I got a funny message while trying to send him a picture of our robot (last thing he asked for before I realized) that said "You are currently recieving a -Virus- Would You Like To Continue?" so I just blocked him from any access to me (no IP access, no open port access,etc.) so I than checked and my Laptop(Click Here to view CD post about my laptop) and it's fine. I payed I think 4 or 5 grand at the time.

Just be alert and everyone should be fine.

Tomasz Bania

Adam Shapiro 12-04-2006 16:42

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Originally Posted by Tomasz Bania
I payed I think 4 or 5 grand at the time.

I'm glad he wasn't able to do anything. What do you mean you paid? Did the encounter cost you money in some way (repairs, losses, etc)?

EDIT: Heh, just figured it out..you paid for the computer... Nevermind. Glad to hear he wasn't able to do any damage. It's most likely just a prank.

Tytus Gerrish 12-04-2006 16:51

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i haven't had any damage to any of my computers but i have encountered strange random people that say they got my screen name from CD asking me to connect with them so they could either get or send a file.

Adam Shapiro 12-04-2006 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tytus Gerrish
i haven't had any damage to any of my computers but i have encountered strange random people that say they got my screen name from CD asking me to connect with them so they could either get or send a file.

That's a very scary thought. Everyone needs to take extreme caution when even talking to, let alone sharing files with, anyone unknown to them, whether or not they say something familiar like "CD". These are harsh times we're living in that people would terrorize such a great community like ours.

Joe Matt 12-04-2006 17:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Moore
The Mac public has had to deal with fewer of these malicious attacks than folks running Windows OS's, but with the new Boot Camp from Apple that won't hold true anymore for folks wanting to run Windows on their Mac. Those who have been diligent about computer security prior to Boot Camp will continue to be diligent, but those who have ignored security will learn a lesson quickly if they choose to run WinXP unprotected.

Psst, Bill, it was a joke. I do that to Matt all the time. :p

Yes, I understand that, but on a PPC PowerBook I feel pretty safe, not inpenitrable, but still very safe. I accadentaly had my Bluetooth on in the airport (where I'm posting now), and I got an ping from a Nokia phone to connect to me and give me a file. I kinda chuckled, and declined. I now have bluetooth turned off, I had it on just incase i needed to use it.

Rickertsen2 12-04-2006 17:33

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anybody with that sort of thing in their profile poses no threat. Anybody attempting the simple social engineering tricks mentioned earlier poses no threat. I don't think there is a single person on these forums who would fall for that.

I wonder how old this dweeb is what his motivations are.

Adam Shapiro 12-04-2006 17:35

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Originally Posted by Rickertsen2
anybody with that sort of thing in their profile poses no threat. Anybody attempting the simple social engineering tricks mentioned earlier poses no threat. I don't think there is a single person on these forums who would fall for that.

I wonder how old this dweeb is what his motivations are.

He probably just wants to stir people up and cause a commotion. Some people have a lot of time on their hands and nothing to do with it.

KenWittlief 12-04-2006 18:39

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one thing is for sure - we have totally made his day - he is drooling on his keyboard each time he reads this thread "YEAH! Someone is talking about ME!..."

DonRotolo 13-04-2006 18:45

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Originally Posted by KenWittlief
There is a way hackers can cause you grief without gaining control of your computer.

Dont use the same password on any of your internet accounts. A hacker can monitor the raw traffic from your IP address. As you log into different websites the encryption is all different, BUT if you use use same password for different accounts there are programs that will analize the encrypted 'hash' and figure out your password.

The prevention is easy - use a different password for every website account you have.

Amen to that!

Some time ago, I wrote an article for the Tucson Amateur Packet Radio (TAPR) newsletter Packet Status Register. You can find the article on Page 8 of this issue. I have also uploaded a copy below.

I strongly urge everyone to read and follow the suggestions given. It will bring your security level to a very high point with minimal effort, and in fact, I never forget a site's password, ever, these days - 'cause I know my core. (I do forget user names though... :o

Don

Kevin Sevcik 13-04-2006 21:03

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This would probably explain random IM's I've been getting lately. I was assuming it was just a spam bot trying to pretend to be human, but it seemed to be doing a very poor job of it, as it wouldn't even reply to the short reply I sent back to it. If it's the same guy, it's amusing to know that he's failing the Turing Test.

Also amusing would be setting up a honeypot or something and accepting one of the transfers so you could grab his IP and inform his ISP that he's an idiot. As he doesn't sound clever enough to even be using a proxy.

Tim566 14-04-2006 00:02

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computer security 101:

1)Make sure the source is trust worthy

2)file transfer over AIM rarely a good idea...

3) Use a Virus scan on any/all downloaded files

4) also check for files added that you were unaware about

5) check date modified on all files on your computer and scan those if it changed

6)Firewalls are usually helpful

7)Make sure all vital data is backed up so if in case of an emergency you can wipe your computer and start fresh and restore the vital files(ex: tax documents etc.)


Please feel Free to add on anything I may have over looked but I believe following these guidelines should keep you safe from a majority of if not all unwanted computer invasions


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