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Phalanx 14-04-2006 15:54

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Just some for for thought here. Having us (1089) be undefeated during qualifing rounds in Galieo was completely and totally unexpected for us.

To quote an old adage "Any Given Sunday".

Anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone on any given day. You can predict all you like, but you just never know.

Kellen Hill 14-04-2006 16:00

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
I think there are a lot of great robots in Newton, but the alliance that comes out of Newton should be pretty even to the alliances that come out of the rest of the pools. Every pool has several great robots but Newton just came out with a few more than everybody else.

ahecht 14-04-2006 16:26

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri
And just in case the lack of sorting by division annoys you..

You can sort by division on the FIRST site by clicking on the Division heading (or going to http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP&year=200 6&area=&sort=division)

pyroslev 14-04-2006 20:42

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phalanx
Anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone on any given day. You can predict all you like, but you just never know.

I could not agree more. I was one of the score keepers at VCU and we sat down with the bracket and picked which two alliances would win and be in the finals, but I don't think anyone predicted the winning alliance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phalanx
...but the alliance that comes out of Newton should be pretty even to the alliances that come out of the rest of the pools.

We were talking about the fact that all the "Big Boys" (not my term) were in one division. Someone pointed out that they could knock each other around to the point that the other divisions would catch them off guard to some extent.

Possible but not so much that the Newton boys come to the field rebuilding.

vic burg 14-04-2006 22:01

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
If I am to assume correctly, and the way it is counted is by every 4 goes into a division, there are a few flaws in it..... also in saying that Curie is 3 teams short, and Archimedes one team short, of Newton and Galileo.... i didnt read every post to see if this was already pointed out but, it doesnt seem fair or right. maybe wrong count? or it's because of pending teams, right? im slightly confused here. or was it like that last year?

VEN 14-04-2006 22:32

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
seems like 1281 is gonna need to try extra hard...

Damian Manda 14-04-2006 23:04

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
I marked all of the regional winners, finalists and chairman's winners in the attached spreadsheet. The totals (at the bottom of the spreadsheet) are shown below. I may have missed some or marked incorrectly, please correct any mistakes.

Code:


Division          Winners  Finalists  Chairmans
Archimedes          19                11            11
Newton                  28                7          10
Galileo                  25                9          4
Curie                  22                11          7



I'm not going to risk drawing any conclusions about winners. However, it was interesting to notice how few regional finalists do not attend nationals (38%), as opposed to the high number of winners (94%).

The file was to large to upload so it has been placed here: http://www.alpinerobotics.com/docs/divisions.xls

Nuttyman54 14-04-2006 23:18

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Manda

I'm not going to risk drawing any conclusions about winners. However, it was interesting to notice how few regional finalists do not attend nationals (38%), as opposed to the high number of winners (94%).

Well finalists are only able to register of they've either preregistered or won an award that qualifies them.

Also, is it listed by number of regional WINS or regional WINNERS? I think regional wins would be more telling than the number of teams that have won 1 or more regionals.

Damian Manda 14-04-2006 23:33

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54
Also, is it listed by number of regional WINS or regional WINNERS?

Regional wins - i.e. if a team has 2 regional wins this counts as two points in the chart. However, this disregards the fact that some teams in an alliance are more effective than others, as all members carry the same weight.

SoftwareBug2.0 15-04-2006 00:02

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Manda
Regional wins - i.e. if a team has 2 regional wins this counts as two points in the chart. However, this disregards the fact that some teams in an alliance are more effective than others, as all members carry the same weight.

Here's my way of counting how tough the divisions are:

Number of event wins or finalist finishes as alliance captain:

Wins:
G: 7
N: 12
A: 2
C: 11

Finalist:
G: 3
N: 5
A: 5
C: 3

mtaman02 15-04-2006 07:11

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geeknerd99
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but remember how last year everyone predicted Archimedes to be the powerhouse?

I see 217, 233, 522, 179, 191, 330, 375, 343, 1250 (wow 2 SI NY teams in the same division, I sense a war being put together) and maybe a couple of isreali teams - and thats just one division =)

JamesBrown 15-04-2006 11:36

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There is no doubt that any Division could beat any other in the finals. Every Division has enough high scoring shooters and decent defensive robots to put together a number of highly competitive alliances. It would be incorrect to assume that the division with more top tier teams will walk over the other teams. Only 3 robots make it to Einstein from each division, these three robots will have a gameplan that is effective and also have the fire power to score plenty of points. To assume that the Highest scoring teams will be in posisitions to pick would be a mistake as said earlier any one could seed high (It is even easier for a team to get some easy wins if they are in a division with teams that are better than them) While Newton may very well pump out some high scoring matches that will be tons of fun to watch once it gets to Einstein you will have some extremely effective bots with strategies coming from the best scouts, it will be any ones game.

Nawaid Ladak 15-04-2006 12:30

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
i thought nationals holds 340 teams this year

but yet it says 337 regestered and 4 pending,

337+4=341

looks like these divisions can still change.

Corey Balint 15-04-2006 12:33

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomForce
i thought nationals holds 340 teams this year

but yet it says 337 regestered and 4 pending,

337+4=341

looks like these divisions can still change.

They already took this into account. The remaining pending teams already have spots in a division, as one division is missing 3 teams, and another just one.

Greg Ross 15-04-2006 12:43

Re: Official 2006 Championship Divisions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vic burg
If I am to assume correctly, and the way it is counted is by every 4 goes into a division, there are a few flaws in it..... also in saying that Curie is 3 teams short, and Archimedes one team short, of Newton and Galileo.... i didnt read every post to see if this was already pointed out but, it doesnt seem fair or right. maybe wrong count? or it's because of pending teams, right? im slightly confused here. or was it like that last year?

Yes. It was explained (sort of) in other posts. The pending teams have already been assigned to divisions. If you fill them in, it all works out, and the divisions all have the same number of teams.


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