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David55 13-04-2006 18:04

Video photography and editing equipment
 
So, what video photography and editing equipment do you use?

My video camera is a pretty old one, Sony DCR- TRV33. I also use a Sony ECM-HS1 gun microphone for improved audio.

In terms of editing...I use Premiere 1.5 for editing and Encore for creating DVDs. I use a PC with 2 LCD monitors and a TV for editing.
I am considering moving to Final Cut pro, but in the mean while MAC prices in Israel are way too expensive (almost double the price).

Just interested to hear what video equipment and editing systems you guys use...

David

ooJosh384 01-05-2006 13:32

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I use a Sanyo Cameracorder and an ibook to edit it. The Cameracorder takes video at TV quality even though it is the size of your palm. I use iMovie to edit the video and iDVD to create DVD layouts. I works pretty well because you can download and buy extras for iDVD and iMovie.

BuddyB309 06-05-2006 21:15

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I get my footage on Mini DVs useing either a soney handycam or a JVC something. To edit I use photoshop, After effects 5.5, 3ds max 8, and adobe premeir pro 2.0. I also use adobe encore to burn DVD's. I have my propmo video here if anyone wants to see it.

Winnovation Promo video

Mark Rozitis 15-05-2006 20:19

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Sony DVCAM, DSR-570 which uses the full size DVCAM tapes or mini-dv tapes, 50-100 sun gun flood light with battery belt, Anton bauer Hytron120 camera battery, manfrotto tripod with 116 head.....Senhiesser (sp?) G2 wirless mic kit, and a backpack full of XLR adapters and cable and other things that we use in news every once in awhile....and always always always...a fresh roll of DUCT-TAPE :)

I don't edit...haven't learned yet....

cjelly 12-06-2006 22:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by STORMCENTRE
Sony DVCAM, DSR-570 which uses the full size DVCAM tapes or mini-dv tapes, 50-100 sun gun flood light with battery belt, Anton bauer Hytron120 camera battery, manfrotto tripod with 116 head.....Senhiesser (sp?) G2 wirless mic kit, and a backpack full of XLR adapters and cable and other things that we use in news every once in awhile....and always always always...a fresh roll of DUCT-TAPE :)

I don't edit...haven't learned yet....

I'll teach you to edit if you give me some of your equipment! :yikes:

BuddyB309 13-06-2006 12:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by STORMCENTRE
Sony DVCAM, DSR-570 which uses the full size DVCAM tapes or mini-dv tapes, 50-100 sun gun flood light with battery belt, Anton bauer Hytron120 camera battery, manfrotto tripod with 116 head.....Senhiesser (sp?) G2 wirless mic kit, and a backpack full of XLR adapters and cable and other things that we use in news every once in awhile....and always always always...a fresh roll of DUCT-TAPE :)

I don't edit...haven't learned yet....

Creating a good cut is an art form. Always remember when you edit is that you are trying to capture your audiences attention for the entire video. Make it short, sweet, and colorful.

Music is key, music tells what your audience should feel when watching. Always have a vast library of music to choose from. Never use todays hip hop music for a sponsorship video, it turns old guys off. I always try to use music that no one will recognize (soundtracks from various TV series or movies are always good). I always ask people for there music (especially the strange ones, they always have something interesting.)

You must also tell a story. It doesn't have to be a full complete story with characters and all but it has to tell something. Get your message of what you want across to your audience. If you want money from sponsors say in the movie "Support us" don't beat around the bush.

Use clean footage. I don't know how many times Ive been turned off from a video because the quality of the footage was horrible and pixilated. Watch out for artifacts. Shaky footage is another turn off. Make sure you are filming with a tripod. Otherwise your video will scream "amateur!" Also shaky footage gives headaches.

Label your tapes. Know what in your footage so you are not spending hours going through your tapes trying to find a video clip.

Have a basic Idea what you are going to do. Make a theme add some style to your video. Once you have that down everything just falls into place.

Have fun and be creative. I know it sounds tacky but if your not enjoying what you are creating its not going to turn out good. You will get frustrated sometimes and might want to kick it but heres a way to know your enjoying editing the video. You look over at the clock and say "WHAT!! Its 3:00 in the morning!! I have to be at work by 7:00!!! Just let me finish this one thing.........."

Also learning Adobe Premiere is very hard but its worth the effort. I can now do amazing things and it didn't take me as long as learning 3DS max.

I also envy you cause you have external mics. I wish I had a way of capturing sound outside the camera. The motor hums from the camera drive me nuts all the time.

KelliV 14-06-2006 13:53

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I started by using iMovie on my mac (at the time it was a g4) which can be expanded by adding the slick effects package. I then moved to final cut pro, and this summer I will start using Avid full time for my classes at Columbia.

My advice for shooting, create a sheet of paper with boxes on it, approx 4 boxes across and 6 down. Then as you tape each time you start a new clip sketch a small picture of what you see in the box and write down the time of the tape it started. It makes it so much easier when you go back to edit, becuase as much as you tell yourself "oh it's labeled Atlanta 2006 on the I will know where the clip is" you won't know four years down the line when you are looking through the footage, trust me.

Also, see if you can get your hands on a 16mm bolex and experiment with that. It is black and white, the film is a bit on the expensive side, and you have to send it out to be developed, but it will teach you how to measure light, and plan shots becuase it isn't like digital where you can delete and repeat everything, it is a hard piece of cut and tape film. I used it last summer and it showed me a lot

Jake177 14-06-2006 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KelliV
My advice for shooting, create a sheet of paper with boxes on it, approx 4 boxes across and 6 down. Then as you tape each time you start a new clip sketch a small picture of what you see in the box and write down the time of the tape it started. It makes it so much easier when you go back to edit, becuase as much as you tell yourself "oh it's labeled Atlanta 2006 on the I will know where the clip is" you won't know four years down the line when you are looking through the footage, trust me.

You definitely want to index your raw tape. When I was in high school I did video for my team, and I can't tell you how much having all my raw footage indexed helped me. It was so nice to have a list that I could go to and see what I had to work with when making a video. It also came in handy during my senior year, when our advisor asked me to make a retrospective video for the team's tenth anniversary. The four years that I had been on the team were a piece of cake because I could just go to the video logs I had made to find clips, instead of watching hours of raw video looking for them.

Mark Rozitis 14-06-2006 20:58

Re: Video photography and editing equipment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BuddyB309
Creating a good cut is an art form. Always remember when you edit is that you are trying to capture your audiences attention for the entire video. Make it short, sweet, and colorful.

Music is key, music tells what your audience should feel when watching. Always have a vast library of music to choose from. Never use todays hip hop music for a sponsorship video, it turns old guys off. I always try to use music that no one will recognize (soundtracks from various TV series or movies are always good). I always ask people for there music (especially the strange ones, they always have something interesting.)

You must also tell a story. It doesn't have to be a full complete story with characters and all but it has to tell something. Get your message of what you want across to your audience. If you want money from sponsors say in the movie "Support us" don't beat around the bush.

Use clean footage. I don't know how many times Ive been turned off from a video because the quality of the footage was horrible and pixilated. Watch out for artifacts. Shaky footage is another turn off. Make sure you are filming with a tripod. Otherwise your video will scream "amateur!" Also shaky footage gives headaches.

Label your tapes. Know what in your footage so you are not spending hours going through your tapes trying to find a video clip.

Have a basic Idea what you are going to do. Make a theme add some style to your video. Once you have that down everything just falls into place.

Have fun and be creative. I know it sounds tacky but if your not enjoying what you are creating its not going to turn out good. You will get frustrated sometimes and might want to kick it but heres a way to know your enjoying editing the video. You look over at the clock and say "WHAT!! Its 3:00 in the morning!! I have to be at work by 7:00!!! Just let me finish this one thing.........."

Also learning Adobe Premiere is very hard but its worth the effort. I can now do amazing things and it didn't take me as long as learning 3DS max.

I also envy you cause you have external mics. I wish I had a way of capturing sound outside the camera. The motor hums from the camera drive me nuts all the time.

I couldn't agree more about the music....of course in news we can't use music due to copyright stuff, even for features, or perhaps the station I shoot for doesn't want to spend the money on that. But for anything else yes absolutely, and I think it is an art to pick the right music and know the music, we can all imagine in our minds lets say what music would go well with a scene but to know who the composer is or what the piece is called is another thing.

As for the Hip-hop and rap, again I couldn't agree more, it's just not for everybody, not just older people that don't like it but younger people don't always like it either. When I was covering FIRST GTR at the Hershey centre the one thing I really liked was a lot of the music, they played a little but of everything and at least while I was there....very little hip-hop, at half-time I was quite amazed to hear a techno version of the chicken dance being played AND everyone knew how to dance to it!

On the subject of learning to edit, our station is going to grass valley systems? and not Avid, so eventually I am going to have to learn, I want to learn but first I somehow have to find the time to really learn it.

In news we use radio systems/scanners etc and that is all programmed using special software, took me awhile but I can now program while blindfolded, if I am going to learn to edit then I want to really learn it.

we'll see what the future holds I guess.

mark

Mark Rozitis 14-06-2006 21:04

Re: Video photography and editing equipment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David55
So, what video photography and editing equipment do you use?

My video camera is a pretty old one, Sony DCR- TRV33. I also use a Sony ECM-HS1 gun microphone for improved audio.

In terms of editing...I use Premiere 1.5 for editing and Encore for creating DVDs. I use a PC with 2 LCD monitors and a TV for editing.
I am considering moving to Final Cut pro, but in the mean while MAC prices in Israel are way too expensive (almost double the price).

Just interested to hear what video equipment and editing systems you guys use...

David

I guess another question if I may toss it out is "what is the best non-linear editing software to learn on"?

The station I shoot for plans to go to Grassvalley, another station I shoot for went Avid, but for home use, for learning I can't spend thousands on software, just would want to know which is the easiest to learn on and then I can always try other software as I get more advanced.

OR, just concentrate on being a good camera-operator and let the editors to the editing

Mark Rozitis 14-06-2006 21:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cjelly
I'll teach you to edit if you give me some of your equipment! :yikes:

Speaking of equipment, with the "broadcast" grade camera (DSR-570), I don't even get a color viewfinder, nope, a poor quality black and white viewfinder and believe me it makes me try real hard, if I can make an image look good in that viewfinder then I usually end up with a good piece of video.

David55 20-06-2006 17:48

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I am seriously thinking of upgrading to a better, more professional camera then my simple camcorder. I was thinking of the Sony HDR FX1...what do you guys think about it? anything you can say about it from your personal experience?

BuddyB309 21-06-2006 16:20

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I want the ultima APX-i2 digital high speed camera from Photron. :D

APX-i2

Mark Rozitis 22-06-2006 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David55
I am seriously thinking of upgrading to a better, more professional camera then my simple camcorder. I was thinking of the Sony HDR FX1...what do you guys think about it? anything you can say about it from your personal experience?

well, one of the storm chasers here in Ontario uses the model up from that and has lots of good things to say about it, the one you mention does not have XLR inputs for audio and manual level controls which can come in handy for production type shoots or news shoots.

Here is a link I found comparing these cameras...I use the Sony DSR-570 in news and while I have had a chance to totally compare the specs yet I have a feeling the Sony does better than my DSR.

http://kino-eye.com/docs/ProsumerHD-Comparison.html

Jeremy L 02-07-2006 10:13

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David: In my personal experience, it is not the quality of the CAMERA that makes the film good, but the quality of the CAMERA OPERATOR, and perhaps more importantly, the FILM EDITOR (I happened to be both). If you have a half-decent camera (one that when, on a tripod, shoots video that is acceptable for viewing on a TV), it should be fine. I've been managing over the years between my high school's Sony Handycam Digital 8 and my personal JVC camera which records to miniDV tape. I've found that while the quality of the video stays the same, a TREMENDOUS improvement can be made simply in the stylistic assembly of the video. I started off making crappy little montages (that I shudder to watch now because they were horrible) with iMovie, and changing nothing but my creativity, moved on to making some rather artistic movies that were fun to watch and make. Sometimes I use Final Cut Pro, when I feel like it, or Photoshop for other effects. Other than that, it was just my brain and my camera. You don't necessarily have to spend big money to upgrade your camera/computer/software unless you're really looking for super-high quality video and audio, and it might not be worth it depending on what you're going to be using the video for.

I've just violated Winston Churchill's rule: "A sentence ending in a preposition is something up with which I will not put."

BuddyB309 02-07-2006 12:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy L
David: In my personal experience, it is not the quality of the CAMERA that makes the film good, but the quality of the CAMERA OPERATOR, and perhaps more importantly, the FILM EDITOR (I happened to be both). If you have a half-decent camera (one that when, on a tripod, shoots video that is acceptable for viewing on a TV), it should be fine. I've been managing over the years between my high school's Sony Handycam Digital 8 and my personal JVC camera which records to miniDV tape. I've found that while the quality of the video stays the same, a TREMENDOUS improvement can be made simply in the stylistic assembly of the video. I started off making crappy little montages (that I shudder to watch now because they were horrible) with iMovie, and changing nothing but my creativity, moved on to making some rather artistic movies that were fun to watch and make. Sometimes I use Final Cut Pro, when I feel like it, or Photoshop for other effects. Other than that, it was just my brain and my camera. You don't necessarily have to spend big money to upgrade your camera/computer/software unless you're really looking for super-high quality video and audio, and it might not be worth it depending on what you're going to be using the video for.

I've just violated Winston Churchill's rule: "A sentence ending in a preposition is something up with which I will not put."


I agree with everything that Jeremy just said but, If you want high speed footage, you need to buy a camera for that.

Lighting also plays a big role in making your videos look professional.

aallen88 02-07-2006 19:19

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iMovie has definitely upgraded itself over the years. Personally I'm in LOVE with Final Cut Pro and would recommend it to anyone. Next year I'll be converting to Avid because of the school I'll be at, which I hear is a lot like Final Cut. Anyone know much about their similarities/differences?

Drew 14-11-2006 14:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David55
I am seriously thinking of upgrading to a better, more professional camera then my simple camcorder. I was thinking of the Sony HDR FX1...what do you guys think about it? anything you can say about it from your personal experience?


I can concure with the FX1 I just recently bought one in feburary. Its amazing. I havent had a ton of time to use it but I used it on my trip to India. and throught the robotics season. This year i plan on using it for a team 302 Reality series. ha that will be fun so check that out comming to our site when it is completed.

zim2411 28-01-2008 15:43

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We picked up a Canon HV20 as a club camera this year (along with a Core 2 Quad based editing station). My personal camera is a Sony HDR-SR1. Both shoot in 1440x1080i video. I much prefer the Sony camera though, the touch screen and 30gb hard drive beat having to deal with MiniDV tapes by a LONG shot. The Sony's build quality is also much higher, it really feels like a high-def camera, very solid construction. The Canon feels cheap, shaking it produces a nice rattle. (Not good in a $1000ish camera.)

The Canon does beat the Sony in terms of editing ease however. We have Premiere CS3 loaded on our station and it does not support AVCHD. In order to use stuff I shot with the Sony, we have to run it through Elecard's AVCHD Studio and convert it to MPEG2, or use Sony Vegas 8.0a (igh).

For DVD + website video creation we use Adobe Encore CS3, which has an awesome output to Flash feature.

ShotgunNinja 30-01-2008 19:53

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Just my simple little Sony CyberShot DSC-W80. But it works, due in no smal part to the fact that I don't go anywhere near the robotics place of meeting without the camera bag slung over my shoulder, the USB/video camera cable in my pocket, and the battery charger in my back pocket.

Gonna be hard at the competition with the wolf suit, though. I might be stretched a bit too thinly on the team... NAH!

1337Nerd 07-02-2008 00:18

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Anybody know any good video editing programs? At the moment I'm using Adobe Premier Pro 1.5 and I want to put an axe through the computer cause it freezes all the time. I have to save immediately after I add footage just so I still have it because it freezes every 5 minutes, forcing me to restart.

1337Nerd 07-02-2008 00:21

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Also, I'm hoping to get a new camera for our team this year and I would like some suggestions on a good camera. I'm looking for one that has a hard drive and firewire, for under $1000, or maybe a little over(preferably).

kE7JLM 07-02-2008 00:43

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I use a small pocket sized Olympus FE-230, It is great. It was cheap and take good quality pic/video. Good enough for you tube...

synth3tk 07-02-2008 20:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunNinja (Post 689062)
Just my simple little Sony CyberShot DSC-W80. But it works, due in no smal part to the fact that I don't go anywhere near the robotics place of meeting without the camera bag slung over my shoulder, the USB/video camera cable in my pocket, and the battery charger in my back pocket.

Gonna be hard at the competition with the wolf suit, though. I might be stretched a bit too thinly on the team... NAH!

Haha, you sound just like me!!! Switching between Bearcat mascot, videographer (although there were two of us, so that helped), student driver, engineer, scout, match keeper-upper, etc...

We use a Sony Handycam DCR-DVD300, JVC GR-SXM38 SVHS for camcorders, some Canon camera (she just bought it, don't know the exact model still), Sony Vegas 7.0e BARELY running on a HP Compaq 6515b. Couple tripods, two batteries for each camcorder, countless blank media, etc...

Question. For those with mid- to high-end cameras like the Sony HDR FX1 mentioned before, how do you buy those? Is it out-of-pocket, through the club's funds, or do you have access to that sort of equipment? Does Sony give any type of discounts? Last but not least, can somebody PayPal me $1,000 so I can get a nicer camera? :rolleyes:

Grogs 10-02-2008 18:02

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i use a EOS Canon 40D to take pics and a JVC camcorder where needed...when i go skking however, i use an Oregon Scientific ATC 2000


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