Which type of offense is better?
 

Havn't seen this yet, Which type of offense is better in your opinion and why?

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If they both shoot for 3Pt's, it really doesn't matter to me. But after thinking about it, a ramp shooter would be a little better. Why, because you have to go up the ramp to defend them, which means a greater chance of falling over on the ramp. In the end, if they both score around the same, then neither really has the advantage.

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forgot to vote...mobile shooter because its harder to defend a robot if it is moving around, and if it has a turret it's even more deadly...although having a ramp shooter has perks...the biggest disadvantage is if the ramp has been blocked

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It really depends on the robot's other abilities. If the robot is easy to push, it would do better as a ramp bot cuz fewer robots would be able to defend them up there. If the robot is very hard to push and has a turret, the floor would be better because it could hold its position while shooting and it would not have a restricted area where it could shoot from. I think the mobile shooter is better overall.

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I think that ramp shooter is much more predictable / reliable. I've seen some pretty good mobile shooters get shut down pretty effectively. But with a ramp shooter all they have to do is get up the ramp and its over. with a team that can shoot while going up the ramp and from the platform, the fact that they basically don't miss and can have a ton of balls is absolutely huge.

Of course having a combination of the two ( being able to shoot from the floor and from atop the ramp at high accuracy ) would be the best combo in the game.

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Have any ramp campers made points in autonomous yet?

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I believe 703 could. Though in the quarterfinals at GTR, Team 4 was able to prevent them from scoring a lot in during autonomous.

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The only ramp camper that I saw score well is 703, but even they can be stopped. If they were stopped in autonomous they lost all of their balls. 451 was the No. 2 Ramp scorer, and they didn't do it reguarly, which made them tough to stop. I saw one more ramp scorer at Wisconsin, I won't give away their number but they were strong at it. It is their secret weapon that I'm sure they plan on using at Nationals (IF they are going). :D

The turret scorer is strong but there is on more design that is the best. "Corner Ramp Camper" the two best robots I saw (85 and 111) shot from the corner of the ramp into the goal. It is the best strategy. It makes you impossible to move.

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You havn't seen 254? They are pretty awesome.

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Cyber Blue has the ability to both shoot from the ramp and the floor. We tend to shoot from the floor and only go up the ramp if we are getting a lot of defense. Both strategies have their pros and cons.

While Shooting from the floor you don't have to worry about falling over while going up and down the ramp or the amount of time it takes. However, you are more susceptible to defensive robots on the floor.

With the ramp campers you have the same easy shot time after time as long as you can get up the ramp. Once you're up there, there isn't a whole lot of defense that can be played on you unless a team can get perpendicular to you and push you sideways. But like I said earlier, you risk falling down everytime you're on the ramp and it takes some time to go collect balls and then drive to the ramp and get up.

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Mobile shooters have the edge over most robots.

Stationary shooters have to Shoot and Scoot (Military term) (Shoot their salvos before they are spotted, then reload and post to shoot; REPEAT) 435 is a prime example. The posted, fired their burst before they were hit, reloaded and posted again.

The only teams that are harder to stop are the ramp shooters. THe only way to stop them is beat them to the ramp or pin them so they can't shoot up there. (222 from VCU comes to mind.)

There is no offense that is clearly better. Each has it's pros and cons. However, there are more cons for ramp shooters so I put the money on the mobile shooters with turrets and burst shooters that fire fast.

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Well if you camp the ramp, then you better be able to shoot from off the ramp. Just take a look at 25 and 254. Heck you could even say 1126(I know they can they just haven't from the ramp, but i am hoping to see them do it), 111, 1114, 1503.

These are all teams that can camp the ramp but can also shoot extremely well from the floor as well.

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There are bots that can do both and I think those are a lot more effective than the ones that are stuck in a single routine.

Ours was most effective 'ramp-camping' because we didn't have to spend more than a second or two aiming (turret was manually aimed). On the ground though we could shoot from a variety of places after using a little more time to aim.

Not to say we were the most deadly shooter but it fixed the problem of: "Oh what if the ramp-camper is blocked off the ramp?"

Re: Which type of offense is better?
 

be the ball

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I really liked the ternm 'Ramp Camper'

I think a 'Ramp Camper' is more deadly because it's a bit harder to defend. The defending team would have to Camp the Ramp themselves.

Mobile shooters have a much smaller degree range they have to shoot in for it to score. From 10 feet away it's, I think, 2 or 3 degrees that the shooter has to be aimed in.