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Greg Needel 26-04-2006 12:31

Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
Interesting article, it talks about politics and FIRST. Also it seems like dean's homework is getting done in Michigan, as that 2,000,000 should go a long way to getting teams involved.

Quote:

Michigan hopes to usurp NH's FIRST role

By JOHN WHITSON
Union Leader Staff


First it was the first-in-the-nation Presidential primary. Now, it’s FIRST.

The robotics competition for high school students, founded by Dean Kamen in 1989, has become wildly popular nationwide. And now Michigan has taken dead aim at usurping the Granite State’s leadership role.

Michigan Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm this month included $2 million in her 2007 budget proposal for state grants to encourage schools to participate in the FIRST Robotics Competition. The ultimate goal is to get every high school in the state involved.

FIRST teams from New Hampshire get no state funding, relying instead on corporate sponsors.

“For the last few years, Michigan has been paving the way for other states to see the benefits of FIRST robotics, and this new funding and commitment from the governor helps make Michigan a beacon others can look to,” said Francois Castaing, a member of that state’s FIRST board of directors, on the michigan.gov Web site recently.

That’s a good thing.

But it comes on the heels of Michigan’s efforts to horn in on what many consider to be New Hampshire’s most sacred cow: its leadership role in picking the nation’s next President.

That sparring has been going on for at least three years on the Democratic side of the aisle. In 2003, U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., threatened to move the Michigan primary to the same day as New Hampshire, but eventually backed off.

Last month, Michigan Democratic leaders made a bid to schedule a 2008 caucus between Iowa’s leadoff caucus and New Hampshire’s primary, drawing sharp criticism from New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch.

So what’s Michigan’s problem? Do its elected officials set aside time each day to figure out the next way to needle New Hampshire?

Lynch spokesman Pamela Walsh, who has weighed in on the states’ political battles, declined to enter the fray yesterday when the topic turned to FIRST.

“New Hampshire is the birthplace of FIRST and the birthplace of direct primaries,” she said. “Governor Lynch thinks it’s a wonderful program. FIRST is a wonderful way to get students interested science and technology.”

The 15th FIRST (For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology) national championship takes place over three days in Atlanta, starting tomorrow. Teams will be judged on their robot’s ability to fire foam balls through hoops and plow them into floor goals, and their ability to program a vision system to navigate the robot.

Along with robotics, there will be two other competitions.

A Lego league will require middle school students to design and build a robot that releases a dolphin, locates a sunken ship and prevents pollution — all on a tabletop playing field. A Vex challenge, a pilot program for high school students, offers the taste of a robotics competition using a more affordable robotics kit.

It will be the largest FIRST competition yet, with 344 teams from the United States, Canada, Brazil and Israel earning invitations largely from their performances in 33 regional events. Some slots are reserved for teams that have been on the waiting list but never qualified for the competition.

In sheer numbers, Michigan leads the way.

The Wolverine State will field 48 teams this year, more than any other state. New Hampshire is proudly sending six teams representing Amherst, Manchester, Merrimack, Milford, Nashua and Weare.

Taking the number of FIRST teams as a percentage of a state’s population shows New Hampshire and Michigan running neck and neck. Michigan’s more than 10 million residents is almost exactly eight times New Hampshire’s size — the same ratio as the states’ FIRST representation in Atlanta.

FIRST national headquarters on Bedford Street in Manchester was deserted yesterday. Nearly the entire staff of about 35 people was already in Atlanta getting set up in the Georgia Dome.

Teams check in today, so New Hampshire’s best young scientific minds are also out of state, probably doing some last-minute tinkering on their designs.

Let the (healthy) competition begin.

Tim Delles 26-04-2006 12:47

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
This is great. We has teams need to start talking more to the political representatives in our area and our state to get them to see how FIRST can benifit everyone.

I'm glad that Dean's homework is being accomplished.

And also congrats to all of the teams in Michigan that made this grant possible.

ScottM 26-04-2006 14:18

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
For those who are interested, I'll be bringing 10 copies of the Detroit Auto Scene newspaper with the article about Gov. Granholm visiting the GLR to Atlanta. It has a picture of her talking with the Huskie Brigade on the front page. Just stop by Team 1's pit for a copy.

First come first served.

Scott

Beth Sweet 26-04-2006 15:05

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
Just as a side note, I want to be sure to clarify something...

While I'm thrilled that Gov. Granholm has put us into our proposal, please remember that it is just that, a proposal. 9 chances out of 10, this will not get approved. Just thought this should be clarified...

Rick TYler 26-04-2006 15:52

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beth Sweet
While I'm thrilled that Gov. Granholm has put us into our proposal, please remember that it is just that, a proposal. 9 chances out of 10, this will not get approved.

On the other hand, $2 million is play money to a state like Michigan, and education is always a big topic. I think your chances are more like six out of ten. Good luck!

Tomasz Bania 26-04-2006 17:59

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
All I have to say that pretty much our team needs it or we won't be around much longer.

Summmergrl2298 04-05-2006 14:57

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
There was an ambassadors meeting at Nat's and Dean talked about this. The way his eyes lit up when he started talking about it was amazing. I am SO pumped that this is something that could actually happen...I mean, imagine every high school in America having a FIRST team, just like every high school has a football/basketball/soccer team. Isn't that wild??? :yikes:

GaryVoshol 04-05-2006 16:44

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
There were 100 FIRST teams from Michigan this year. Since some teams have members from multiple schools, perhaps as many as 150 schools may have been involved.

The MHSAA (Sports) website lists 763 high schools in the state. So probably slightly less 20% of the the schools have a FIRST team. There's a few schools don't have any sports teams, but not enough to significantly alter the calculations.

$2M divided by 763 schools comes up to about $2600 per school. Not a sum to sneeze at, but not enough to fund FIRST teams popping up all over the place.

If the appropriation goes through, I suspect that the funds won't be divvied up to individual teams. Rather it will go in grants to special projects - some may be for individual teams, others may be to offset other costs, or to promote FIRST and technology in general. That's not to say it won't help - it will. It's just not the windfall that $2,000,000.00 seems to be.

Summmergrl2298 04-05-2006 17:25

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryV1188
There were 100 FIRST teams from Michigan this year. Since some teams have members from multiple schools, perhaps as many as 150 schools may have been involved.

The MHSAA (Sports) website lists 763 high schools in the state. So probably slightly less 20% of the the schools have a FIRST team. There's a few schools don't have any sports teams, but not enough to significantly alter the calculations.

$2M divided by 763 schools comes up to about $2600 per school. Not a sum to sneeze at, but not enough to fund FIRST teams popping up all over the place.

If the appropriation goes through, I suspect that the funds won't be divvied up to individual teams. Rather it will go in grants to special projects - some may be for individual teams, others may be to offset other costs, or to promote FIRST and technology in general. That's not to say it won't help - it will. It's just not the windfall that $2,000,000.00 seems to be.


From what I heard when Dean spoke, there were 555 teams splitting the money and each would get enough to pay for their regional enterance fee. Hmm...who knows. It's something we'll have to wait on I think for accurate information.

Eugenia Gabrielov 04-05-2006 17:40

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
Just a note on sponsorship -

Whether or not the amount a team gets from the state is $2600 or $5000, it's a hefty sum of money, and it's 2600 - 5000 less to raise. However, say team A goes to a city council meeting and says "Look, we already have a grant. Here's what we want to do with it, and we'd like to ask for your help with making up the difference."

Even if that money from the state isn't everything, it's a start, and it might make the difference for quite a few teams.

Tomasz Bania 04-05-2006 20:51

Re: Michigan vs New Hampshire
 
OK, I probably totally misunderstood the bill.
Is this strictly for schools or does any school get it, because i'm pretty sure all 700 or so schools will just jump on and if all schools get it, they'll just spend it on their sports. What I found interesting is that it would have to be matched by schools (funding wise) as far as I heard.

Link to proposal:
http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0,1607,%...2006_3,00.html

Tomasz Bania


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