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dangerousdave 30-04-2006 12:27

Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
Please give your suggestions for improvement for next years event.

Dave

spears312 30-04-2006 19:23

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
I know it's not really a fault of FIRST, but Heatwave had a stroke of bad luck during our visit to Atlanta. Two vehicles associated with the team were broken into at separate locations and various valuables were stolen. It's unfortunate that this sort of thing happened on what was otherwise an enjoyable competition. The only other complaint I have was the accessibility of the practice field. I know that at times there things that changed unexpectedly that we wanted to check on via robot operation, but since we had not signed up at the very beginning of the day, we were pretty much s.o.l. I don't know if adding two more practice fields or even the designation a large carpet area to work out problems is possible, but I can say it would be a nice addition. Otherwise I personally believe that the competition this year was relatively well executed.

VEN 30-04-2006 19:28

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
1. better pairing of alliances during qualifying matches...I know you have to do your best to do good and overcome your troubles but this was just bizzare for us.
2. Announcements need to be made, I handed it the notes on what to say and they never did (unless I missed something about no announcments being made but they told me to write it down so i did)

BuddyB309 30-04-2006 19:29

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
I know its too late for me cause im already a senior. But some kids joined first and fell in love with animation. There are no scholarships or collages there that offer animation. At least I learnd a lot about 3ds max and where to go from my freinds that i made.

JamesBrown 30-04-2006 19:39

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VEN
1. better pairing of alliances during qualifying matches...I know you have to do your best to do good and overcome your troubles but this was just bizzare for us.
2. Announcements need to be made, I handed it the notes on what to say and they never did (unless I missed something about no announcments being made but they told me to write it down so i did)


Can you elaborate on #1 a little bit, what part of it did you not like, what division were you in etc.

Next year, I would like to see some sort of orientation (either Wednesday night or Thursday morning, similar to the driver's meeting but in smaller group (half of the division maybe Where they could walk you through every thing like how/ when to cue and where to request parts. I don't think any of this was a problem for people who have been there before (my self included) but I was asked many questions by teams near our pit who were there for the first time.

Morgan Gillespie 30-04-2006 19:47

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
I think what he means is each team should face and be partnered with every team in the division once. Could be what he meant, even still that is my opinion.

K.Shaw 30-04-2006 19:49

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
maybe some more increased sercurity in the city. maybe even a "hobo round up" before the competition. some people may feel bad for them or think this is cruel but its been done. most are trouble. in one night walking from the omni to hooters over by the westin our group of 5 people were rushed by bums begging for money, offering services, selling things, one even attempted to pick pocket a kid.

VEN 30-04-2006 20:18

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
what I'm saying is that it might not be FIRST's fault for bad alliances but the attitude of the other teams....in our last match were strategizing and all of a sudden one of the team's coach is like "ok guys, strategizing is too much for me..we're just going to shoot"...other teams claimed that they could shoot very well so we gave them all our balls and they ended up taking no shots when we could have...all of our aliances were weak and we got totally owned. I found myself protecting our side from 2 robots at a time. I'm not bashing anyone or saying it's the teams' fault, all I'm saying is that the pairings were not fair.

Laurie Piwonski 30-04-2006 20:22

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
So sorry to hear that "various valuables were stolen." My camera is missing and until reading your email, I was hopeful that it would turn up. Does Chief Delphi have a lost and found thread for Atlanta? Maybe your items were "borrowed" too. :(

Vexkingof716 30-04-2006 20:30

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
They should definitely figure out a way to make the pairing up fairer. i know life not fair But our team did very well at regionals and had a robot that was able to play well but had teams paired up that didn't do what they said they could, or would do. because of the pairings ant one point we had to play defense against two too three robots ant a time.

artdutra04 30-04-2006 20:33

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VEN
what I'm saying is that it might not be FIRST's fault for bad alliances but the attitude of the other teams....in our last match were strategizing and all of a sudden one of the team's coach is like "ok guys, strategizing is too much for me..we're just going to shoot"...other teams claimed that they could shoot very well so we gave them all our balls and they ended up taking no shots when we could have...all of our aliances were weak and we got totally owned. I found myself protecting our side from 2 robots at a time. I'm not bashing anyone or saying it's the teams' fault, all I'm saying is that the pairings were not fair.

That's all the luck of the draw. Sometimes you'll be paired up with good alliances and sometimes you won't. FIRST can't/won't purposely rig "random" alliances to make sure they are "good". And neither can FIRST control the attitudes of the other alliance members.

Sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some. That's just the way it goes. ;)

Ellery 30-04-2006 20:34

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
My response would be the Team finale and the poor trafficing during loading period. A few of my teammates had to end up directing traffic because the bus drivers wouldn't make use of the open spaces further down and just clogg up the entrance. The team finale is definitely not what it used to be the first year in Atlanta. The food was horrible this year with just Hamburgers and hotdogs and not enough drinks available for all. For $45/ticket I am going to just recommend taking the team to a nicer place to experience some real southern cooking since they only stay for 1/2 hour anyways.

That's my only complaint, the FIRST Pack food, though convenient, were not worth the value charged either.

KTorak 30-04-2006 20:41

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexkingof716
They should definitely figure out a way to make the pairing up fairer. i know life not fair But our team did very well at regionals and had a robot that was able to play well but had teams paired up that didn't do what they said they could, or would do. because of the pairings ant one point we had to play defense against two too three robots ant a time.

Same story happens to everyone. In 2005 we were a GLR Finalist, but due to pairings in the Newton Division, we were ranked like 80th. This year we were ranked like 45th out of 60something at GLR (ok pairings) but we were ranked 7th out of 87 in Archimedes. It's just luck of the draw where ever you go.

Daniel Brim 30-04-2006 20:44

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
Please, please, please hold the WFA ceremony after all practice matches are over.

Chris Fultz 30-04-2006 21:14

Re: Championship's Atlanta 2006 - The Negative
 
These are all good comments and they are being given in the right 'tone'. Lets keep this Negative thread positive and give constructive ideas.


Quote:

Originally Posted by VEN
other teams claimed that they could shoot very well so we gave them all our balls and they ended up taking no shots when we could have . . . all I'm saying is that the pairings were not fair.

This proves the value of scouting and having good data on what teams can do. Lots of threads and posts on scouting techniques, that might be able to help you.

Although I do not know definitely, it appears the randomness of pairings includes a low number team (lots of experience), middle number team (some experience) and a higher number team (maybe a rookie). This helps keep alliances somewhat balanced but still subject to some unevenness because not all teams fit that "stereotype". I don't really know a better way to do it.


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