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gburlison 01-05-2006 13:28

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Safety glasses deflected a plastic cable tie that one of our students was cutting. Would have hit me in the eye.

Lil' Lavery 01-05-2006 13:36

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
I have been hit by broken dremel bits, drill bits, jig saw blades, flying screws, robots, poof balls, tetras, and all sorts of stuff. The biggest reason I still have my two eyes is because of my goggles.
And I wasn't even the one to break most of the bits, blades etc! (I think my team is out to get me... :p )

neo 01-05-2006 19:42

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
i love wearing my safety glasses. i wasn't even the safety guy on the team and was yelling at my teammates to get them on when they didnt have them, or when we were entering the pit area.

the only problem i experianced was the constant fogging up. i sweat like a pig. and i have long hair. the top would get foggy and i couldnt see most of the field when i looked up from getting a ball. and after every match i was grabbing for my autodesk bandana (thank god for those things) to wipe away all the perspiration.

chrisinmd 01-05-2006 20:49

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Everyone above me has given great reasons for wearing safety glasses.

My dad always tried to show me how to be safe when I was little, and it has benefited me greatly. He is in charge of safety (among other things) at his work (excavating contractor), and he always made sure I had safety glasses, hearing protection, and the like, when I was working on stuff around home. The hearing protection is second nature when I mow the lawn or operate large equipment, as are the safety glasses whenever working at the shop at home or school, as well as FIRST events. I did have, among others, a dremel wheel explode on me and those things really do fly! There is no excuse for stubbornness or laziness. Long story short, if you can't take the second to put safety glasses on, you have no business in the shop, or anywhere else they are required (FIRST events).

-Chris

DonRotolo 01-05-2006 21:29

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Most of the folks who don't like their safety glasses are wearing cheap ones. Those $1.98 specials will protect your eyes, but they slightly distort your vision and cause a headache. Or they fit wrong and hurt your nose/ears/temples. Or they fog up....

The point is: Cheap Glasses are just that. If you got them for free, expect to get what you paid for.

Invest $10 in a hallf-decent pair of safety glasses, and (believe it or not) after a short while you will literally forget they are on. In one of our factories it is mandatory to wear glasses all the time - even in the cafeteria (!) - so you never see folks with cheap glasses. Good Glasses are just that.

Don

MattK 01-05-2006 21:34

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
I can not even count how many times I have said under my breath "hmm wow thank god I was wearing my safty glasses"

common guys its just a good habbit to get into...

EricH 01-05-2006 22:37

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Rotolo
Invest $10 in a hallf-decent pair of safety glasses, and (believe it or not) after a short while you will literally forget they are on.... Good Glasses are just that.

Go to your local hardware store. Get a decent pair. Keep them from getting dirty by washing them (soap and warm water, then dry with a towel). Get a case to protect them when they aren't on your eyes. You should be able to wear them comfortably all day.

Donut 02-05-2006 00:14

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Safety glasses are good anti-robot protection. I've had a corner of the robot from this year smack point first into my safety glasses, saved alot of hurt to my eye and probably the cost of buying new normal glasses as well, since they were under the safety ones.

s_forbes 02-05-2006 23:09

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
I personally think that safety glasses are a bit overdone. I totally agree with wearing safety glasses when cutting/drilling/grinding, but it just bothers me that I have to wear them when I do such dangerous tasks as putting stickers on the robot or sorting through my pocket change. This is mainly because I have prescription glasses and those huge goggles annoy the heck out of me.

I've worked on things for long enough to realize what is the safe way to do something and what is dangerous. I work on bikes and cars and other mechanical things at home without wearing safety glasses because I know how to work on things carefully so that they don't explode and fly across the room.

I do take the necessary precautions when working with powertools just like everybody should, but I think the danger of a bolt is greatly overexagerated.

EricH 03-05-2006 00:41

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by s_forbes
I personally think that safety glasses are a bit overdone. I totally agree with wearing safety glasses when cutting/drilling/grinding, but it just bothers me that I have to wear them when I do such dangerous tasks as putting stickers on the robot or sorting through my pocket change. This is mainly because I have prescription glasses and those huge goggles annoy the heck out of me.

OK, first off, you wear prescription glasses normally. IF they are polycarbonate, you only need side shields. That shouldn't be too hard, should it? I know of at least one person who has prescription safety glasses.

Second, just because all you are doing is, say, looking at the robot, that doesn't mean that someone else in your pit, or the neighboring pit, or the pit across the aisle is not doing something that could throw bits of material into your pit, and quite possibly into your eyes.For argument's sake, let's assume they are drilling plastic, say PVC. Now, PVC has a tendency to form a plastic mass on the drill bit, made up of "strings" of PVC, and these occaisionally fly off. (Metal does the same under certain conditions, and tends to fly off even farther.) One of those "strings" leaves a drill bit in the pit next door, and flies into your eyes at high speed before you can stop it. You are not wearing safety glasses, and it has enough momentum/energy/force to shatter your normal glasses. Now you have bits of glass in your eyes, as well as plastic. You could lose your sight.
Admittedly, this is a bit far fetched. I use it to make a point--and it could potentially happen with metal.

So, even if you don't understand the reason behind the rule, follow it. Would you rather put up with discomfort for three days, or suffer discomfort for the rest of your life?

EricH 03-05-2006 00:58

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkerCrimson
i have a question
if we arent allowed to cut, grind, weld, drill or use almost any power tools in the pit any more
why do we have to wear safety glasses??
this year even though we werent using the equipment.. we had it under the table put away
they made us take them out of pit
its getting kinda weird

Now that someone has agreed with this, I will respond: If you encountered a no cutting rule, a no drilling rule, or a no using power tools rule, you need to speak with the person who told you about said rule. No Grinding and No Welding are in the manual, and a place (usually the machine shop) has been designated for those (as well as any other activity that intentionally produces sparks). But to my knowledge, the only time you can't cut, drill, or use power tools is when you can't be in the pit. If you were told to remove your power tools, you should have politely pointed out that power tool use was allowed (unless it was a venue-specific rule, in which case, agitate for a different venue).

dhitchco 18-09-2006 11:32

Re: safety glasses for 2007; part of your uniform
 
We bought really cool red-framed safety glasses in bulk for the 2006 season (found good selection and prices at www.safetyglassesusa.com). They really can become part of your team's uniform.

Safety glasses are indeed available with a wide variety of presecription strengths (e.g. www.duluthtrading.com) for contractors, etc. They may not be exotic presecriptions, but basic 2X cheater magnifiers.

Safety glasses are like seat belts. yes, they're REQUIRED by a FIRST rule, but after a while they become automatic just like seat belts in cars. There are so many things going on that it's just stupid to risk even one accident in the pits without safety glasses.

I can't even go to my factory at work without safety glasses even though I'm 20 feet away from anything walking the aisles.

At FIRST, we also need to be good and teach this lesson to the younger FLL kids that come and visit our pits...it sets a good GP example.

KenWittlief 18-09-2006 11:51

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by s_forbes
I've worked on things for long enough to realize what is the safe way to do something and what is dangerous. I work on bikes and cars and other mechanical things at home without wearing safety glasses because I know how to work on things carefully so that they don't explode and fly across the room...

You have worked on things for several years, and have accumulated several man-years of experience on what is potentially dangerous.

The industrial standards imposed for the use of safety glasses and other protection equipment is based on millions of people working in industrial environments for over a hundred years. By contrast your personal experience is 0.0000000000001% of the knowledge accumulated by the people who impose these rules.

I also sense a bit of protective ego in your post, the part of us that says "I know what Im doing, and Im carefull when I need to be carefull". This is not a bad thing, self confidence is necessary or we would never venture into a shop and use dangerous tools. But being carefull, being intelligent, and depending on your own experience is the same path that many other good people also followed, right up to the instant when they lost an eye or a hand.

Its the stuff you dont know about, the things you dont expect to shatter, the thing you never knew had a coiled spring inside that blows open in your face and gets you. Thats why many shops have signs at all the entrances: Safey glasses required beyond this point, because with all the variables that are out of your control, if you are present in that area, you are in harms way.

LightWaves1636 18-09-2006 12:34

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
even if you're not cutting, welding, or anything like that, it's better to be safe than sorry. Because there's not just one team working, there's a lot more and anything's possible. Like when cutting the excess off the zip ties, those things can really fly. Plusto add in the chaos FIRST gives everyone. (I can't wait for 2007 :) )

s_forbes 18-09-2006 12:35

Re: safety glasses??why??
 
I know exactly where you guys are coming from, I'm usually way safer than I need to be. But I still stand by my original post, and I will continue to tinker on my own time without wearing safety glasses unless I see fit.

I thought it also might be worth mentioning that I have always worn my goggles when in the pits at a competition, and I wore them when working on the robot at our teams shop. Just because I don't completely agree with the rules doesn't mean I don't follow them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH
OK, first off, you wear prescription glasses normally. IF they are polycarbonate, you only need side shields. That shouldn't be too hard, should it? I know of at least one person who has prescription safety glasses.

Actually, I would much rather wear real goggles than those things. In the cases when I'm working on something where there is a significant chance of getting something in my eye (grinding, using the drill press, etc.) I want to have my eyes safe. Metal shards have no problem flying in over your glasses.


Sorry if I came off as some rebelious punk earlier, I didn't mean it. :)


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