Chief Delphi

Chief Delphi (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/index.php)
-   Chit-Chat (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14)
-   -   360, Wii, or PS3 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47417)

JoeXIII'007 15-05-2006 16:47

360, Wii, or PS3
 
Just a curiosity. I got a good idea of who the wiinner wiill be when this poll gets plenty of replies, but I just want to be sure.

-Joe

Koko Ed 15-05-2006 16:49

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I want a PS3. I just don't want to pay $500 to get one.

Melissa Nute 15-05-2006 16:49

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeXIII'007
Just a curiosity. I got a good idea of who the wiinner wiill be when this poll gets plenty of replies, but I just want to be sure.

-Joe

This would work better with an actually poll...

For me, the Wii though.

JoeXIII'007 15-05-2006 16:50

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Meli W.
This would work better with an actually poll...

For me, the Wii though.

Poll's up. Why does CD make me get the poll up AFTER I get the thread up???

Adam Shapiro 15-05-2006 17:06

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Hardware-wise the PS3 has the other two dead in their tracks. The hardware that is in that machine is unbelievable. I'm waiting for someone to figure out how to compile Linux for cell processors! :) Then for $500 you could purchase a computer that would be more powerful and have better graphics/audio support than something you'd get for much more! And just look at the additional components it's got as well: USB 2.0, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, Gigabit Ethernet, 60GB HD, MemoryStick/Flash reader, Blu-Ray!!

I think the Wii has a really interesting control system, that will be especially cool in FPS, etc. I'm very interested to see how they manage to do the tactile feedback for the fencing-style game (I forgot the name), though that would be really fun to play if they could figure out a way to make the feedback somewhat realistic (without requiring such high magnetic/electric fields as to zap the Wii itself). Without feedback you'll just end up swinging without the character moving as they'll be hitting the opponent. I suppose it wouldn't be that bad, but it still wouldn't be real.

Unfortunately the XBox was rushed too much. Granted, it's a very powerful system as well; it also has a nice assortment of games with it. The PS3 just seems like you get a whole lot more for the money, despite it being almost a year later than the XBox. I feel like Microsoft just jumped the gun a bit too much, trying to get a head start on Sony, and ended up with an obviously inferior product and only a slight time advantage.

Kristian Calhoun 15-05-2006 17:26

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
I want a PS3. I just don't want to pay $500 to get one.

ah! but you see that the PS3 package that's going to cost $500 won't have any Memory Stick, SD or Compact Flash reading capability or Wi-Fi support, and will lack HDMI support. It also appears that the new controller might not have any rumble features.

Nintendo Wii for me all the way. See my posts in the E3 2006 thread

Dylan 15-05-2006 17:26

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
PS3! :D
The PS2 already rocks, I can only imagine that PS3+NFSMW+HDTV=Greatest Racing EVER!! :yikes:

(not that I can afford any of those ;) )

lukevanoort 15-05-2006 17:40

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I must say the hardware on the PS3 is entirely out of this world. A few years ago (or less ago) one PS3 would've probably made the Top 500 Fastest Supercomputers in the world. 220 gigaflop/s is ungodly out of just one processer. (Really 7, but it's one chip anyway) A one year head start is nothing to sneer at either, the XboX 360 is a nice system, with some cool features. The wireless controllers are especially nice, but the power converter is enormous, and it seems to get quite warm during extended play. IMHO, it'll really come down to games, the systems are nice, some nicer, but the differences aren't enormous, like the GameCube and Dreamcast vesus the XboX and PS2.

Adam Shapiro 15-05-2006 17:49

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort
A one year head start is nothing to sneer at either, the XboX 360 is a nice system, with some cool features. The wireless controllers are especially nice, but the power converter is enormous, and it seems to get quite warm during extended play. IMHO, it'll really come down to games, the systems are nice, some nicer, but the differences aren't enormous, like the GameCube and Dreamcast vesus the XboX and PS2.

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the PS3 have wireless controllers (I guess not all of them but I figure they would have some considering the Bluetooth)? The Wii will certainly have wireless control, that's the whole concept! I think what really makes the PS3 stand out in my mind is seeing some of the screenshots from E3. The graphics are really amazing. They're so lifelike, I can't get over it. Add to that the Blu-Ray storage capabilities and you're gonna get some really ridiculous games. I don't know if the XBox will be able to match what we're going to see with PS3, especially considering the huge selection of games for both Playstation and PS2 in the past.

Joe Matt 15-05-2006 17:58

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort
I must say the hardware on the PS3 is entirely out of this world. A few years ago (or less ago) one PS3 would've probably made the Top 500 Fastest Supercomputers in the world. 220 gigaflop/s is ungodly out of just one processer. (Really 7, but it's one chip anyway) A one year head start is nothing to sneer at either, the XboX 360 is a nice system, with some cool features. The wireless controllers are especially nice, but the power converter is enormous, and it seems to get quite warm during extended play. IMHO, it'll really come down to games, the systems are nice, some nicer, but the differences aren't enormous, like the GameCube and Dreamcast vesus the XboX and PS2.

So, you keep spitting this stuff out, any independent verification about gigaflop performance?

Alex Cormier 15-05-2006 18:07

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
What are the expected dates of PS3 and Revolution appearances?
I am going to buy at least one of each to sell on ebay just like i did with the 360. easy money. possibly get one for myself after the bug rush for a drasticly lower price then online as i also did with my 360.

lukevanoort 15-05-2006 18:08

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Matt
So, you keep spitting this stuff out, any independent verification about gigaflop performance?

Not really possible since it is sort of hard to test it, since it really isn't in the market in a testable situation yet. It's also power can't really be used in full since it is sort of specialized. Regardless of whether or not it gets the 220 gflop/s speed, it'll be fast, and there are 7 cores, so you'll be able to run a lot of things in parallel.

Kristian Calhoun 15-05-2006 18:09

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort
I must say the hardware on the PS3 is entirely out of this world. A few years ago (or less ago) one PS3 would've probably made the Top 500 Fastest Supercomputers in the world. 220 gigaflop/s is ungodly out of just one processer. (Really 7, but it's one chip anyway) A one year head start is nothing to sneer at either, the XboX 360 is a nice system, with some cool features. The wireless controllers are especially nice, but the power converter is enormous, and it seems to get quite warm during extended play. IMHO, it'll really come down to games, the systems are nice, some nicer, but the differences aren't enormous, like the GameCube and Dreamcast vesus the XboX and PS2.

i dont know if you were trying to say that the gcn<ps2, but since we're on the topic of gigaflops, the gcn has 10.5 gflops and the ps2 only has 6.5

lukevanoort 15-05-2006 18:12

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by calhounian
i dont know if you were trying to say that the gcn<ps2, but since we're on the topic of gigaflops, the gcn has 10.5 gflops and the ps2 only has 6.5

But, the PS2 and XboX could play standard optical media, the PS2 could also play PS games. The GameCube couldn't. Anyway, the GameCube different.

Cuog 15-05-2006 18:20

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I doubt the 220 gigaflops on the point of price, i am unsure of what the new CPUs for computers run at but if you consider the price of a nice new dual core 64 AMD FX series being nearly 1000 dollars alone. also a multi core proccessor is not really faster, its benifit is that it can to multiple tasks at once, one thru each core(im talking ultimate basic steps here)

heres a link to a fancy new AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103608

Kristian Calhoun 15-05-2006 18:22

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort
But, the PS2 and XboX could play standard optical media, the PS2 could also play PS games. The GameCube couldn't. Anyway, the GameCube different.

ok, i see your point. but that is also another reason why i like the Wii better than 360. 360 can only play certain xbox games, while on the Wii you can play NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, and TurboGrafx 16, and gamecube games.

Adam Shapiro 15-05-2006 18:39

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuog
I doubt the 220 gigaflops on the point of price, i am unsure of what the new CPUs for computers run at but if you consider the price of a nice new dual core 64 AMD FX series being nearly 1000 dollars alone. also a multi core proccessor is not really faster, its benifit is that it can to multiple tasks at once, one thru each core(im talking ultimate basic steps here)

heres a link to a fancy new AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103608

I don't know about the actual number of flops, however remember that the PS3 is not running on a standard x86 processor. It is running on a Cell processor which houses 8 SPEs or Synergistic Processing Elements (though I believe one or two of them are backups). Each SPE is capable of a theoretical 25.6 gigaflops at 3.2 GHz (see here). The IBM Blade servers based on Cell processors run at about 200 gigaflops at 3 GHz. Don't quote me on anything, I'm just taking it from a bit of research, a bit of discussion at a Darpa meeting, and a good deal of Wikipedia...
Quote:

Originally Posted by calhounian
ok, i see your point. but that is also another reason why i like the Wii better than 360. 360 can only play certain xbox games, while on the Wii you can play NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, and TurboGrafx 16, and gamecube games.

I would definitely say that having the classic games will be a huge plus. Being able to play the original Super Mario games the way you always wanted (with frantic rapid arm movements) is going to be awesome!

Joe Matt 15-05-2006 19:20

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort
Not really possible since it is sort of hard to test it, since it really isn't in the market in a testable situation yet. It's also power can't really be used in full since it is sort of specialized. Regardless of whether or not it gets the 220 gflop/s speed, it'll be fast, and there are 7 cores, so you'll be able to run a lot of things in parallel.

So you pulled the numbers out of your $@#$@#$@#, it can't be in the 10 ten super computers, and even though the thing has power, it's specialized for multimedia.

The cell is cool, but I think everybody is hyping this up beyond belief. The cell is a high optimized processor for multimedia that is scalable.

Adam Shapiro 15-05-2006 19:30

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Matt
So you pulled the numbers out of your $@#$@#$@#, it can't be in the 10 ten super computers, and even though the thing has power, it's specialized for multimedia.

The cell is cool, but I think everybody is hyping this up beyond belief. The cell is a high optimized processor for multimedia that is scalable.

I totally agree that the PS3 Cell is completely optimized for multimedia use, and that, though it is powerful, it's certainly not a supercomputer. I can't attest to lukevanoort's numbers, however the numbers that I quoted are indeed from a bit of research. That's not to say that they could be wrong though. The wikipedia article on Cell processors is a rather interesting read, and does in fact provide you with some numbers that could be used to get a good sense of the power of the machine. Again though, everyone should remember (as you did Joe Matt) that this machine is designed for gaming. Part of the power of the Cell is going directly to graphical computations.

Mike 15-05-2006 19:33

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I don't plan on buying any of these systems. I don't really play video games anymore, just the occasional Halo killing spree. The only thing that would ever make me consider spending $475 (Xbox Premium + Game + Tax) would be Halo 3. I spent about $300 on my Xbox setup, which I used primarily for Halo 1/2. That seems like a lot, but I logged upwards of 5,000 games. Yeah... I didn't have too much of a life at that time.

Even at that, I'd wait for it to come down in price. The Wii looks like a fun system. Only downfall I can see is you "reeling" in your fish on your brand new Bassmaster 3000 game... and wacking your friend (whos sitting next to you) in the face.

Clark Gilbert 15-05-2006 19:34

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
It's also fair to say that you can't directly compare the PS3 cells to the XBOX360 cells.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xbox360_vs_ps3.asp

Does anyone here actually own a XBOX360?

Jeff Rodriguez 15-05-2006 19:36

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
All the power in the world means diddly if the gameplay isn't there.
Right now, it looks like Nintendo will have some amazing gameplay with its innovative controller.

Adam Shapiro 15-05-2006 19:44

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre
All the power in the world means diddly if the gameplay isn't there.
Right now, it looks like Nintendo will have some amazing gameplay with its innovative controller.

Yes, but the redesign of the PS3 controller will also include motion sensing abilities. Granted, it probably won't be to the extent that the Wii has it, but it should be pretty interesting to see how it turns out. I suppose it would be pretty hard to make a realistic FPS without a system similar to the Wii though, and that's my favorite type of game. I'm looking forward to seeing how the new FPS titles incorporate the Wii control system. Nintendo hasn't had that many FPS titles in the past (especially not relative to the other two).

Joe Matt 15-05-2006 19:57

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Shapiro
Yes, but the redesign of the PS3 controller will also include motion sensing abilities. Granted, it probably won't be to the extent that the Wii has it, but it should be pretty interesting to see how it turns out. I suppose it would be pretty hard to make a realistic FPS without a system similar to the Wii though, and that's my favorite type of game. I'm looking forward to seeing how the new FPS titles incorporate the Wii control system. Nintendo hasn't had that many FPS titles in the past (especially not relative to the other two).

I'm not too thrilled with the PS3 controller and it's late to the party gyros in it. I'd rather have a redesigned controller more like the 360s (rumble, little heavier, etc).

As for the FPS... look at this!



http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/e3...type-revealed/

Kristian Calhoun 15-05-2006 20:00

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Matt
I'm not too thrilled with the PS3 controller and it's late to the party gyros in it. I'd rather have a redesigned controller more like the 360s (rumble, little heavier, etc).

As for the FPS... look at this!



http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/e3...type-revealed/

i was just about to dig that up on IGN and post it. :) but FPSs should also be fun even without the zapper style shell. with the nunchaku attachment, you still have an analog stick to use and the B trigger on the underside of the wiimote, but the zapper just makes it more realistic. :D

Adam Shapiro 15-05-2006 20:06

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Matt

Now that's what I wanted to see! I seriously hope there are some good FPS titles because that looks like it would be a lot of fun to play them with. I'm not sure how well it would interface, if at all, but it would also be really fun to play GoldenEye 64 with one of those! :)

lukevanoort 15-05-2006 20:09

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Gilbert
It's also fair to say that you can't directly compare the PS3 cells to the XBOX360 cells.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xbox360_vs_ps3.asp

Does anyone here actually own a XBOX360?

No, but a friend of mine across the steet from me does. (He actually paid $900 for it, plus he has a Dreamcast, GameCube, XboX, PS2, and piles of games for them.... yeah, he's an only child) I spent about 3 days straight playing it over spring break, and spend probably about 6 hours weekly playing it. It is quite nice, Call of Duty, Ghost Recon, and Elder Scrolls are all, IMHO, really good. I really like it's controllers, they aren't really small and tightly packed (my biggest problem with the GameCube) the rumble is nice, they have good heft, and the battery life is quite good. (I've never had one run out of juice on me) The graphics are pretty good, but nothing that has my jaw dropping. (But he doesn't have a hi-def TV, that may be why)

Melissa Nute 15-05-2006 20:15

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Gilbert
Does anyone here actually own a XBOX360?

My fiance owns one that might as well be mine too. We had it the day it came out. Its ok...I'm not too into the games that XBOX releases. He loves the graphics...even bought an HDTV for it.

Morgan Gillespie 15-05-2006 20:54

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Shapiro
I think what really makes the PS3 stand out in my mind is seeing some of the screenshots from E3. The graphics are really amazing. They're so lifelike, I can't get over it.

What screenshots? From what I heard all PS3 had to show was CGI movies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort
Elder Scrolls are all, IMHO, really good.

VIVA OBLIVION

Alex Cormier 15-05-2006 20:59

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Gilbert

Does anyone here actually own a XBOX360?

I have had 4 Xbox 360's.

Sold 2, 1 sent for repairs and now have one that works great!

Adam Shapiro 15-05-2006 21:27

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury Rising
What screenshots? From what I heard all PS3 had to show was CGI movies.

There are a number of screenshots on a variety of sites (IGN, GamersHell, and a bunch of others). The original shots I saw were of London scenery, from the game The Getaway (they can be seen here). Truly impressive rendering.

IraJason 16-05-2006 00:21

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
This E3 kind of changed my mind a bit on the PS3. I'm not really a playstation nut, but I was definitely interested in where the PS3 was going after last years E3. But after the price annoucements (500 and 600 dollars... ouch!) and the addition that the 500 dollar one doesn't come with Wi-Fi, HDMI, and the controllers don't have rumble, I'm a bit disapointed, especially after Sony made all these claims last year.

I already have an Xbox 360, so at this point, I see no reason to spend another 800+ (System + Games + Controllers) on something that will provide a pretty similar experience. Sure, the PS3 has the 6 degrees of freedom, but apparently the Warhawk developer, the only one with a game capable of using the motion sensors, claims they were only given the tech a few weeks ago, finishing up the code a few days before the show... not a good sign. Yes, the games were impressive looking, but quite a few of those games are also coming out on the Xbox 360 as well. (Assassain's Creed, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Unreal Tournement 2007...) Overall, I would have to say that Sony's showing was a bit of a disappointment

Nintendo easily took the show this year, with the showing of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Zelda: Twilight Princess, ect. The controller looks like it's going to be awesome with a bit of tweaking, as some report that it is a little over sensitive. With a little bit of work, that can be fixed.

Microsoft did a good job this year, showing Live Anywhere, which connects Vista games, 360 games, and cellphone games, allowing you to take your profile anywhere and play people over different platforms. Gears of War looks like it will be the next blockbuster title, with other big titles like Fable 2, Forza 2, GTA IV, and most of all Halo 3 annouced or shown for the system. It looks like it will be Gears of War holding 360 owners off during the holidays while the wait builds up of whenever Halo 3 comes out. There were also a whole bunch of add ons shown, such as a racing wheel, wireless usb port for using wireless 360 components for a computer (Being able to use the wireless controller for the PC), the 360 camera, the HD-DVD drive (for movies only for now, connects through USB, seems to be standard HD-DVD computer drive in a 360 themed case), and for the technology nuts (which should be all of you) HDMI cables for crazy High Definition goodness.

It's going to be a fun holiday season this year.

Sorry for the huge post and sounding a bit like an analyst. That's what happens when you check at least three different videogame sites for up to the minute news about everything going on at E3 for the last week and a half... basically I have too much time.

Arkorobotics 16-05-2006 01:06

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Wiiiiiiiii is cheeeeeeeeeeeeap, cheeeeeeeap is good...

RoboMadi 16-05-2006 01:31

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkorobotics
Wiiiiiiiii is cheeeeeeeeeeeeap, cheeeeeeeap is good...

Also it will work perfectly with the New Smash Brothers, coming out in November!
can't wait!

Cactus_Robotics 16-05-2006 03:13

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I have a Xbox 360 and i absolutely love it, ill probably buy a Nintendo also.

xzvrw2 16-05-2006 08:00

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
the only reason why i would get an xbox360 is for oblivion and call of duty. i don't like halo so i wouldn't worry about that. haha. i will probably get the new Nintendo system. i like Nintendo, especially because they had the rights to resident evil, and yes i know that re4 came out on ps2, i have it, but i liked the controls for it on the gc. lets just put it this way, xbox360-adults ps3-older teens and wii-the younger crowd. those are the targets for it. the wii will have the games that are more kid oriented, except the re series haha, ps3 will have more of the teen oriented games, and xbox 360 will have the games that the younger kids shouldn't play or wont like playing. those are my $0.02

Stevie

i_am_Doug 16-05-2006 11:05

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I am a really huge sony fan. but sadly they lost me on the PS3 for many reasons; like 1.) Whats with the controlr....how stupid. 2.) the price is insane. i mean 500+ just for the darn body. 3.) ..stupid controlr... i think i would have to say the xbox 360 because i mean it IS $200.00 cheaper and a poor person like me needs that deal. plus i liked halo 1. im the pistol kinda guy and i wanna see and play 3 because i have bets i needa win :D
I also love nentendo, so i think i will get that to. what the heck, snake. from kasumi is in a nentendo game... whats is the world comeing to these days?

~Doug

EDIT/ AND I love/d fable :D

Adam Shapiro 16-05-2006 11:11

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by i_am_Doug
1.) Whats with the controlr....how stupid. 2.) the price is insane. i mean 500+ just for the darn body. 3.) ..stupid controlr...

I agree with you that the price is extremely high, but unfortunately there isn't much they could do with the amount of hardware they put into it. Sony is already taking a really big hit in hopes that game sales will even it out and get them a nice profit. The controller has been redesigned. Sony announced the new one at E3. I totally agree that the original design was terrible, but so did many PlayStation fans and so Sony decided to go back to what everyone knows and loves – a very good decision.

Tetraman 16-05-2006 12:11

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
When I get my Wii....I'm gonna go...WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

I think Wii and PS3 will be tied in ability and purchase strength. Wii made a better hit to many people, I think Nintendo has returned.

i_am_Doug 16-05-2006 14:54

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Shapiro
I agree with you that the price is extremely high, but unfortunately there isn't much they could do with the amount of hardware they put into it. Sony is already taking a really big hit in hopes that game sales will even it out and get them a nice profit. The controller has been redesigned. Sony announced the new one at E3. I totally agree that the original design was terrible, but so did many PlayStation fans and so Sony decided to go back to what everyone knows and loves – a very good decision.

That looks much better and more comfertable, like the old ones : / Yeah theres alot of hardware in there why? We all know. But im sure I dont.

Kristian Calhoun 16-05-2006 15:54

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xzvrw2
the only reason why i would get an xbox360 is for oblivion and call of duty. i don't like halo so i wouldn't worry about that. haha. i will probably get the new Nintendo system. i like Nintendo, especially because they had the rights to resident evil, and yes i know that re4 came out on ps2, i have it, but i liked the controls for it on the gc. lets just put it this way, xbox360-adults ps3-older teens and wii-the younger crowd. those are the targets for it. the wii will have the games that are more kid oriented, except the re series haha, ps3 will have more of the teen oriented games, and xbox 360 will have the games that the younger kids shouldn't play or wont like playing. those are my $0.02

Stevie

The Wii is not targeted towards the younger crowd, although many of them would enjoy it. With games like Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Project H.A.M.M.E.R., Disaster: Day of Crisis, and an exclusive Resident Evil game announced to debut on the Wii, how can you say that only RE is the only non-kiddy game? Nintendo wants to attract all kinds of gamers, of all ages, both new and old, casual and hardcore, who will all enjoy the one of a kind experience provided only by the Nintendo Wii.

Tetraman 16-05-2006 20:29

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by calhounian
Nintendo wants to attract all kinds of gamers, of all ages, both new and old, casual and hardcore, who will all enjoy the one of a kind experience provided only by the Nintendo Wii.

I got to agree. The game system is for Wii, not for certain Xs or brain stations

Morgan Gillespie 16-05-2006 20:56

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Anyone see the connection of Blue Ray vrs HD DVD to Beta-Max vrs VHS?
Beta-Max held more data, was more expensive and came out a little later.
VHS held less data, less expensive, came out first.
Hmm
BlueRay holds more data, more expensive, comes out later
HD DVD less data, less expensive (atm), out now/soon.

Sony has lost this battle once before and for the same reasons.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! (WII)
VIVA LA 360!

KTorak 16-05-2006 21:26

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I'm gonna buy a 360 hopefully after the PS3/Wii release. I'm expect a price cut to be more competitive with the new systems (price cuts seem to happen when something new is released).

Clark Gilbert 16-05-2006 22:48

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury Rising
Anyone see the connection of Blue Ray vrs HD DVD to Beta-Max vrs VHS?
Beta-Max held more data, was more expensive and came out a little later.
VHS held less data, less expensive, came out first.
Hmm
BlueRay holds more data, more expensive, comes out later
HD DVD less data, less expensive (atm), out now/soon.

Sony has lost this battle once before and for the same reasons.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! (WII)
VIVA LA 360!

I was thinking this exact same thing a few days ago!

Anyone see this story about Sony "faking" Blu-Ray?
http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/arc.../16/11622.aspx

MikeDubreuil 17-05-2006 07:00

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Gilbert
I was thinking this exact same thing a few days ago!

Anyone see this story about Sony "faking" Blu-Ray?
http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/arc.../16/11622.aspx

Yeah, I saw that story on Slashdot. I thought this response was interesting. Even though Sony did add a root kit to music CDs I don't think they'd completely fake a demo. (Although they didn't use a blue ray disc from how the poster talks about a complete format change I bet he did show blue-ray quality through their format and special software player.)

Steve S. 17-05-2006 16:43

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
I want a PS3. I just don't want to pay $500 to get one.

same here, but thats still not stopping me :) (hopefully)

Kristian Calhoun 17-05-2006 19:56

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
How's this Sony?...The Wii officially uses bluetooth! :)

i_am_Doug 18-05-2006 10:31

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by calhounian

Wow, that will be like a kick in the crotch... But that's cool, id bet that it will help sales alot! Hmm now im trying to pick a 360 or the revo.

Quote:

Wii console with a single-chip, 54g Wi-Fi solution,
54 gigs?

kyle b 18-05-2006 10:43

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
i would choose the wii

Tetraman 18-05-2006 13:38

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I think that what the Wii has over Playstation is the hidden things. It seems whenever Playstation things they got the edge, Wii says "You got Pwned" and reveals something new.

I think the Wii won't sway the real Playstation gamers, but it will sway the real gamers.

JoeXIII'007 18-05-2006 14:19

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
I didn't want to be random and posted a poll with an opinion right away. Now that there have been a lot of comments, here's my choice.

360: Microsoft does OSes, not VGs. Never have liked their objective to conquer the world of electronic entertainment.

PS3: I lost Sony after E3 2001 with the release of the Cube.

Wii: Wiinner. It got some of the best reviews at E3 2006 with one reporter sayiing that the lines for the Nintendo booth were long all day, and never really shrunk.

Plus, the system looks elegant, seems like it will be fun, plus the virtual console is something to drool over: Finally, a chep solution (hopefully) to rid of illegal emulation (but, if we can't find those Japanese games or extra-special ones in the US, then emu is the only answer, or not play them at all. :( )

Other notes:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl looks awesome! Metroid Prime 3 looks and apparently will be better than MP2 (didn't like the dark and light worlds, plus the story line got dull before the half way point of the game.)

Oh yeah, I will be getting a DS Lite in June, that's automatic. A friend already has one from Japan, my sister is getting one too as well, and it is probably the best piece of equipment I have ever seen. Beautiful screen, excellent architecture. Brilliant overall.

Kristian Calhoun 18-05-2006 15:29

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetraman
I think that what the Wii has over Playstation is the hidden things. It seems whenever Playstation things they got the edge, Wii says "You got Pwned" and reveals something new.

I think the Wii won't sway the real Playstation gamers, but it will sway the real gamers.

Agreed. And in addition to the newly announced bluetooth, there are also SD memory card slots, and two USB ports on the Wii. Also, according to Perrin Kaplan in an interview she did with Matt from IGN, she confirmed that there are still more hardware secrets!!! :ahh: Linkage to the interview with Perrin

Brian Lesser 18-05-2006 17:19

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by i_am_Doug
54 gigs?

802.11g

It's one of the versions of Wireless internet (the others being 802.11a and 802.11b)

Anyways, I'm definately getting the Wii. So much to look forward to, especially with the announcement of Twilight Princess for the system

lukevanoort 18-05-2006 17:27

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Lesser
802.11g

It's one of the versions of Wireless internet (the others being 802.11a and 802.11b)

Anyways, I'm definately getting the Wii. So much to look forward to, especially with the announcement of Twilight Princess for the system

You mean wireless intranet, right? ;)

Brian Lesser 18-05-2006 18:05

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lukevanoort
You mean wireless intranet, right? ;)

I guess so? *shrugs*

*looks up the difference*

Oh

AmayaSaria 19-05-2006 12:33

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Welll I really want a PS3--but the price is so high! o.0

I'm more excited for the Wii because it's finally something different! A new control, and a new way of gameplay. Its going to be fun! :) Nintendo is really good with new creative games.

I'm not a big fan of the Xbox/360 :P so it doesn't make a difference to me!

Lil' Lavery 21-05-2006 22:53

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
WARNING, LONG POST INCOMING!!

Here's my take on the next generation of consoles.

First off, if you think about it, what's inside really doesn't make THAT big of a difference on how the console will be to play and how much sales it gets, it's really how many good exclusive games there are. But, what's inside does help to determine that.

XBox 360:
Comparable power to the PS3 shouldn't lead to a massive advantage either way amognst consoles sales or game developers, but other factors might. A year early means a greater library by the release of the PS3 and Wii, and it also has a lowER (still not low) price than the PS3. Even with the year early launch, it's collection of 360 exclusive games is still weak aside of Oblivion, and Ghost Recon, as many of the new games were also released for the original XBox. And aside of a fwe big title releases such as Gears of War, Too Human, and Halo 3, it's future isn't exactly bursting at the seams with titles. Questions as to the release dates of Too Human and Halo 3 are also floating, and gamers may have to wait quite some time to be able to play them. Can Master Chief hold a system aloft again?
The 360 also flopped in Japan, and many japanese developers will not be contributing to the next generation of games on this American system. The trend has been uphill though. In 2005, 360 lacked basically any good exclusive games, but in the early months of 2006 we have seen a few outstanding games emerge. The online play also trumps Sony's and Nintendo's current online packages about 100 fold. The downfall is most of the "arcade games" can be found (or games similar to them) on the internet from your desktop computer.
The 360 still has a decent shot at holding the "mainstream gamer" though. I have often found that the hardcore FPS-gamer is not as enthralled by Halo as the mainstream gamer is. My hardcore FPSer friend tend to play Unreal Tournament, Doom, and Goldeneye just as much as Halo, and certainly don't buy an XBox for Halo if they don't own one. Oblivion is a solid fix for the mainstream gamer RPG urges. The 360 lacks a wide variety of RPG's for the hardcore RPG addict though. Because RPG's have much much less replay value, a hardcore RPG gamer cannot live off of the same couple games like other genres-addicts of gamers can. The 360 offers enough sports, action, and online titles to keep the mainstreamer happy as well.

Wii:
The obvious feature is the controller. But will this prove to be just another Nintendo gimmick? (Virtual Boy anyone?) Plus, how long before the other consoles steal this feature, and have it used in a large proportion of their games. The issue with that is that the second half of the statement, though. The Wii will obviously have this feature used in most, if not all, of it's games. Beyond that, the Wii has a couple other "revolutionary" (sorry, couldn't resist the pun) features. The controllers also have built in speakers, and console is always on, and communicating with the internet.
You may ask, "Why?". The speaker in the controller may actually be quite useful. Imagine playing Mario Party and having your controller ring every time it's your turn (although that also could get quite annoying) or your controller making individual firing noises in a FPS for each player instead of them all coming through the same TV speakers. As for the internet connection, people could visit your Animal Crossing city while you sleep and ummm.....umm.......leave you things? I really don't know how little or how much this feature can do, and whether it's actually going to be worth anything. I suppose it could automatically download software updates during the night when it is less likely to disrupt your playtime as well.
The Wii is also the ultimate in backwards compatibility. XBox Live's arcade games and Sony's backwards compatability are put to shame. You can download a plethora of titles from any Nintendo system, Sega Genesis, or TurboGrafx-16 (w00t! I've been waiting forever for some sick TurboGrafx games! :rolleyes: ), for reported prices ranging from $5-15. Although, like any backwards compatibility, it is best if you do not already own the games in some form (many top selling NES, SNES, and Genesis games have been reproduced for other systems, like Gameboy, or can be found via online emulators). The new game titles so far have been the same old Nintendo. How they are adapted to the new control style is what makes it interesting and what might make Twiglight Princess worth purchasing for the Wii instead of the Gamecube.
The new controller style is attracting alot of developers who want to take a crack at that style of gaming. But the Wii is also the weakest of the three systems in terms of processing power. There is still a strong concern that the 3rd party support will suck as much on the Wii as it did on the Gamecube, and the online gameplay will be little to none. It also cannot support HD graphics, the sharpest resolution is 480p, the same as the Gamecube. The Wii might also lose some games that both the 360 and the PS3 will carry do to the lower power and interesting control style, especially from American developers. Plus, it's named Wii....
....but I'm sure with all the money you saved you can buy some sharpies and write Revolution over all the "Wiis" :P

PS3:
The cell processed monster looms on the horizon, boasting the most power of the 3 systems (but the 360 is no featherweight). The 7 standard wireless (it appears only 4 will be for contollers though) ports are also impressive, along with the amount of USB 2.0 ports, bluetooth (which the Wii also now has), Blu-Ray, etc etc etc. The PS3 clearly wins the hardware race of the next gen consoles. But with that, also comes the massive price tag, $500 for the smaller of the two bundles.
The very immediate releases seem a bit lacking, but at least it has backwards compatibility (while that doesn't do any good for PS2 owners, a new player to the brand can purchase and play older games while they wait for the next gen). The line-up is better than the 360's launch line-up though. The first year should see, Killzone 2, Unreal Tournament 2007, and Coded Arms: Assault (which is supposed to be much better than it's PSP counter-part, although no guarantees) give it a strong FPS line-up. Virtua Fighter and Tekken look to provide a fighting game solution, while Devil May Cry 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Mercanies headline three different action approaches. If Fatal Inertia's physics engine and weapons are as amazing as promised, it could revolutionize the sci-fi racing game industry (damage will actually alter your vehicle's performance, etc). Sony has long dominated the RPG market, though the early releases for the PS3 seem to lack in this department. The Final Fantasy VII remake should come out sometime in 2007, but you can play the original on PS1 and 2. Final Fantasy XII is being launched on the PS2. Action game phenominal God of War's sequel will also be on the PS2.
Sony has promised a new, much more expansive online system, similar to XBox Live. The difference? No fees. That could help to reduce the strain on your wallet after forking over the cash to buy the system.
The hardware also has one other major problem. It's simultaneous worldwide launch may lead to PS3 shortages worse than the 360's shortages, both here and in Japan. The 360's year-long head start will make it easier to find this holiday season than the PS3. I wouldn't worry about the lack of rumble in the controllers though. Does anyone doubt that a 3rd party won't produce a rumble-equipped controller rapidly?



My winner, the PS3. It's massive hardware advantage and Blu-ray capabilities make it the machine built for the long haul. The PS3 could do for the Blu-ray what the PS2 did for the DVD, and having a system without that ability may cost you alot of flexibility. It's price tag may be steep, but remind yourself that it isn't essential to buy a system near the launch, or even during the holiday season. Wait 6-9 months for the price to drop, and buy a system for cheaper, and with a greater library of released games.
The Wii seems a bit "hit or miss" for me to invest even the lesser extent of money in, especially if it doesn't draw 3rd party support like the Gamecube failed to do.
The 360 seems too much like a super-XBox to be worth the cash to me. A majority of it's big games are sequals to Xbox games, and it doesn't really offer much new features.

Ahnxlazyman 10-04-2008 01:29

Re: 360, Wii, or PS3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan Gillespie (Post 501950)
Anyone see the connection of Blue Ray vrs HD DVD to Beta-Max vrs VHS?
Beta-Max held more data, was more expensive and came out a little later.
VHS held less data, less expensive, came out first.
Hmm
BlueRay holds more data, more expensive, comes out later
HD DVD less data, less expensive (atm), out now/soon.

Sony has lost this battle once before and for the same reasons.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! (WII)
VIVA LA 360!

Oh Gillespie. look at what you're saying, "HD DVD is going to win?"

HD-DVD, where has it gone now? No where,to be precise, on the clearance rack at my local Target :P

Wii is respectable but only cuz of Super Smash Brother Brawl, but I just don't like the drop down menu of the Xbox, hey it's nice that you can access the menu mid game, but it's not appealing.

Ps3 ftw.
the XMB is awesome, and easy to understand.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 15:16.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi