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Well, the simplest excuse if you got caught is your robot runs on Mt Dew as a power source... Of course, you should keep on moving past the person who caught you before they realize that's going to be impossible, as any fusion with Mt Dew would result in a sticky mess.

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Running off the pressure from the CO2 ;)

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I am a bit surprised that you would post a picture of your team breaking the rules. This is not what FIRST is about. How do you expect others to trust you and your team when you flaunt the rules???? :confused:

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What happened to all the gold, that looks more like silver to me... or am I just seeing things?

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I suppose people tend to applaud those who deny coercive monopolies their power over prices. Much like sneaking candy into a movie theater, sure it's against the rules, but even the staff don't tend to care.

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The issue is, as FIRST students and mentors, should we be following rules and setting examples or should we publicly show up those that make the rules?

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In generalities, yes. we should be the first to set examples.

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In his defense, it is a rather funny picture. If it weren't funny then I'm sure he wouldn't have told anyone about it. FIRST participants are expected to be the ones to not break rules, but even some rules have to be broken. Just ask yourself this Steve, if you were broke high school student and craving something to drink, would you walk in with a can of pop or finish it outside before you get in? I'm sure you would finish it before you got in, but what about a 12-pack? You MIGHT not be able to finish that before you got inside. I know I wouldn't.

(Disclaimer: That was not intended to be serious, just comical. Everyone needs a bit of comical relief.)

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I always snuck in drinks during the Championship because I don't want to pay 3 dollars for a drink, or whatever ridiculous price they charge. "Breaking the rules" vs. being ripped off big time for a drink - I don't really see it as a big issue. You had to buy it from somewhere so it's not like Pepsi is losing out. Besides, these guys weren't even actually entering the exhibit halls for the convention - they were just putting on a demonstration outside to spread the word of FIRST.

Anyway, it was really cool to see many Indiana FIRST teams demoing at Gen Con this year. I went to check it all out and saw teams 45, 393, 1501, and 829 showing off their FRC and VEX robots. I wasn't there to see this, but supposedly the Mythbuster guys showed up later on to check out their demo and signed some stuff.

A few pictures from the demo:





And lastly, a pretty cool video of 1501 shooting balls

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The quote doesn't quite fit but the general sentiment does.

Whether or not the prices are exorbant is not the debate, they're still breaking rules and openly admitting to it, look at the title "Sneaky at Gen Con". To be honest I would have probably done similar, but I wouldn't tell everyone about it so publically, we're supposed to be setting examples, not showing off disobedience. I don't care really that the rules were broken, it does kind of bother me to see that fact flaunted about in a "Look what we did!" manner though.

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Chill out, its barely breaking a rule.

First, Its not a FIRST rule that's being broken, so its not that big of a deal.

Second, It's not illegal.

Third, there are no consequences besides getting your drink taken away. If there were consequences like being kicked out or dq'ed then I'd understand better the big deal, but all they'll do is take away your cans and drink them in the back room.

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So what you are saying is that if its only a little penalty then it is OK as long as you are not caught. If I were to use the Nothing-But-DeWalt solution on our robot and used 6 Fisher Price motors then that would be OK as long as I didn't get caught. No one can see the motor inside the case so it is OK. The only penalty that I face is that if caught I would have to change out the motor before my next match. No big deal so I guess that makes it OK.

Are these really the standards of most FIRST participants? Maybe I will post a poll to see.

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Fine, I don't think bringing a drink into a place that says no drinks is a big deal, but I understand how you think it is.

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lol this is ridiculous. Steve, you're basically saying that breaking a rule in any sense is the same. Which I can understand I guess, but there are varying degrees and levels here. Have you ever drove over the speed limit? Even just a bit? If so, you've broken a rule. Yet nearly everyone has done that at some point or another.

My point is, there are many rules that exist. And everyone has broken a rule at some point in their life. Even intentionally, and a lot of times it's not a big deal. Bringing a drink into a convention center to avoid paying outrageous prices is one of those rules that, in my opinion, isn't a very important one. In a robot competition, following rules to the T is obviously necessary, but that just isn't the case for every single other aspect of life.

And these guys weren't even attending the convention! The chance that they would actually buy something is slim to none. I think we might be a little stir crazy, build season is still a few months away. Let's chill out and not jump all over 1501 for doing this or even make a big deal out of it for that matter. We should be praising them for doing this demo, not bashing them.

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Yes I have broken rules and no it was not right for me to do so. As I go through life I try to improve and grow. I try not to break rules. I surely don't publicize it for the world to see. As for if breaking some rules is OK I guess that I will let my poll see what others in FIRST think. I am sure that you breaking the no soda rule is more important to the vendors and arena than having 6 stupid Fisher Price motors on your robot. Perspective?

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The situations are so unrelated that I don't think you can compare them and make a whole lot of sense. If I put myself in the shoes of the vendor, Pepsi still made money from them buying that 12 pack at a prior time. Less money, yes, but I think they'll survive. And the arena? I live in Indianapolis, I want the city to prosper as much as anyone here. But the city is doing fine, they're currently building a new convention center and stadium to host even more conventions and sporting events (Can you say Championship in Indianapolis? :])

Either way, I'm tired of debating over bringing a pack of mountain dew into a convention center. My view on it is established and that's that.

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I am sorry that I have seemed to have high jacked this thread. Any other discussions not related to the picture but to legalities please go to http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=48608

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Ok, let me just say this i haven't even got through all the posts yet. Derek the guy who invited us to Gen Con saw us with the case of mountain dew and the candy.... he did not care, he himself had a drink from steak and shake and a burger from McDonald's. Not to mention none of the Gen Con officials or security people or Event Team people said anything and they seen it to. The only thing we were worried about was the door person through one door because it is right next to the exhibit entrance...

Now as far as rules go there was no official rule saying that you could not bring in drinks or food nor were there any signs. Now some exhibit halls have specific rules against this but we were in the hallway not in the exhibit halls.

As far as the title goes would someone respond to a title called "mountain dew under robot" or "sneaky at Gen Con" .... the title was a point of making people look at it and say ha that is funny.

Now as far as breaking rules Derek said he liked having us there so well and we behaved so well they he wanted us to come next year. So if one of the head Gen Con officials seen all this and said we behaved great and didn't say anything about us doing something it would seem we didn't break any rules.

The only time any Gen Con official said anything was when a ball hit a lady in the head (which was not on purpose).

Also i could have never left the building and walked over to the mall (through the building) and got a case of mountain dew. Therefore it doesn't matter if i bought it here or there i could have got it in the building regardless just not in specific exhibit halls

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Actually the only no drink sign posted was for the dome its self and certain exhibit halls

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I agree with Ryan and as i said earlier. Derek liked us so much and how we acted he invited us back and wants more to come. Possiably a competition.

I started off with $200 going to indy and i have $10 left.... seems like they made plenty of money off of me. Not to mention all the other students and mentors. Some even competed in some of the games. Derek even said "I seen some of you guys walking around its great to see you taking a part of Gen Con itself, because i don't want you guys to stay here all day"

Also there was a food cart behind us the first day they had a total of 30 customers the whole day 2 of them not from the robotics thing..... then they closed that because they did not have enough "public" business.

I don't even know why i am defending myself there was no rule broken.

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It is still gold just the way the picture was taken.

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You shouldn't have to be defending yourself and thats been one of my points all along. I'm glad you guys did this demo along with the other teams, it's definitely a great specific audience to do a demo for. And to think, all this controversy over something that wasn't even considered breaking a rule by one of the head officials of the convention itself :rolleyes:

A competition at Gen Con oh my... send an invite to all Indiana teams, you could get some really intense stuff going on next year! How cool would it have been to have been near the other entrance? There were people swarming over on the other side.

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I just mentioned that to Derek and he said it may be possible but we have to get together and meet and discuss things. So there is nothing official about a competition, but we will definitely be doing another Demo next year.

While i am making this post just let me re-state that the title of the picture was not to intend rule breaking, it was simply to attract attention and get a giggle out of people. I guess next time i do something funny it will have to be fully appropriate. However all this commotion over pop seems kind of dumb when i have seen other teams or people on teams do a lot worse things.

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I wasn't trying to attack anyone, I was trying to gently point out that possibly infractions shouldn't be publicized and chewed over, sorry if I just poured more fuel on the flames.

Moving on, I'm quite excited about this demo, Gen Con looks like it was quite an interesting event. Can we get video of the demonstration?

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No its all good, i think everyone has an understanding of exactly what happened now, and i think i can get a hold of a video and upload it to our teams server at somepoint, it may be a bit. Chris from 393 has some videos maybe he could get one up to, because as of right now all i have is pictures.

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Of all the PICTURES Wayne took at GenCon and you upload this??? I need to teach you some editoral skills. You should have uploaded the pictures of Grant, Tory or Kari from Mythbusters...Or what about Richard Hatch or Gigi Edgley??? Or what about the TONS of people in full custume? The board games? The gillion SEAWAYS running around? The awesome picture of FOUR TEAM robots cramed into our trailer? Man....you gotta stick those in our Gallery so everyone on CD can see them. It's amazing what was going on at Gencon!

EDIT: Spelling fix from Karl to Kari, and Tori to Tory.

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You posted to soon i got these uploaded right before your post http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/25413?
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/25411?

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ata boy Larry! Sweet!

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In looking back at this picture....you guys didn't install the BUMPERS did you? Looks like the most damage we've had in the sides. Jerry's not going to be a happy camper... :yikes:

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I think that right there ends this whole rule breaking discussion.

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"excuse me you are not allowed to bring those liquids onto the playing field. You must dispose of those immediately."