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thegathering 10-09-2006 15:57

Microsoft Designs a School :P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cnn.com
Windows HS: Microsoft designs a school system
POSTED: 9:25 p.m. EDT, September 7, 2006


PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates has famously called high schools "obsolete" and warned about their effect on U.S. competitiveness. Now, his company has a chance to prove that it can help fix the woes of public education.

After three years of planning, the Microsoft Corp.-designed "School of the Future" opened its doors Thursday, a gleaming white modern facility looking out of place amid rows of ramshackle homes in a working-class West Philadelphia neighborhood.

The school is being touted as unlike any in the world, with not only a high-tech building -- students have digital lockers and teachers use interactive "smart boards" -- but also a learning process modeled on Microsoft's management techniques.

"Philadelphia came to us ... and asked us to design a school," said Craig Mundie, chief research and strategy officer of Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft. "We're going to take our best shot."

The company didn't pay the $63 million cost -- that was borne by the Philadelphia School District -- but shared its personnel and management skills. About 170 teens, nearly all black and mainly low-income, were chosen by lottery to make up the freshman class. The school eventually plans to enroll up to 750 students.

Sabria Johnson, a 14-year-old from West Philadelphia, said she is excited to be attending the school.

"We're getting a chance to do something new," said the freshman, who hopes one day to go to Harvard or to the London College of Fashion. "We don't get a lot of opportunities like the suburban kids."

Mundie said companies have long been concerned that schools aren't churning out graduates with the skills and know-how that businesses require in employees to compete globally -- and mental acuity is especially critical to Microsoft.

"Our raw material is smart people," he said.

School district CEO Paul Vallas said he was impressed by more than just the company's technology.

"I was also taken by their culture," Vallas said. "They created a culture within which ideas can be generated and acted upon."

At the 162,000-square-foot high school, which sits on nearly eight acres, the day starts at 9:15 a.m. and ends at 4:19 p.m., simulating the typical work day. Officials said studies show students do better when they start later in the day.

Students -- who are called "learners" -- use smart cards to register attendance, open their digital lockers and track calories they consume. They carry laptops, not books, and the entire campus has wireless Internet access.

Teachers, or "educators," rather than using blackboards, have interactive "smart boards" that allow teachers to zoom in and out, write or draw, and even link to the Internet.

There's no library, but an "interactive learning center" where information is all digital and a "multimedia specialist" will help out students.

Instead of a cafeteria, there's a food court with restaurant-style seating. The performance center -- where two sections rotate close to create a smaller space -- replaces the typical auditorium.

"This is completely different from any Philadelphia school I've ever seen," said Tramelle Hicks, 39, of West Philadelphia, whose 15-year-old daughter, Kierra, is going to the school. She said she believes her daughter would benefit from learning strategic and organizational skills from Microsoft.

The high school will use an "education competency wheel," patterned after a set of desirable traits Microsoft encourages among its employees. Officials, teachers and students are to be trained in dozens of skills, including organizing and planning, negotiating, dealing with ambiguity and managing relationships.

Students have scheduled appointments with teachers, typed into their online calendars, instead of being limited to structured times for classes. Their laptops carry software that assesses how quickly they're learning the lesson. If they get it, they'll dive deeper into the subject. If not, they get remedial help.

Lessons will have more incorporation of current events to teach subjects. For instance, a question of whether Philadelphia is safe from the avian flu will teach students about geography, science and history.

"Learning is not just going to school," said Shirley Grover, the school's energetic principal who came from the American School in Milan, Italy. "Learning is equal to life."

In addition, students at the school must apply to college to get a diploma.

This new approach to education has sparked the interest of Doug Lynch, vice dean of the Graduate School of Education at the University of Pennsylvania.

"Two things are quite intriguing -- the willingness of the district and Microsoft to try something different," Lynch said. He cautioned, however, that while trying new methods may be valuable "we have to be careful because you're messing with kids' lives."

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The school is being touted as unlike any in the world, with not only a high-tech building -- students have digital lockers and teachers use interactive "smart boards" -- but also a learning process modeled on Microsoft's management techniques.
Ugh... this means even more dangerous/vunerable patches for already vunerable software, BSODs from first party software, and monopolistic business practicies. -_-


Any thoughts?

Billfred 10-09-2006 16:07

Re: Microsoft Designs a School :(
 
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Originally Posted by thegathering
Ugh... this means even more dangerous/vunerable patches, BSODs from first party software, and monopolistic business practicies. -_-


Any thoughts?

Much as I try to avoid Microsoft's products, I don't think this is such a bad idea. Sure, it's got a little more technological glitz than the average school, but Microsoft hasn't become as big as they have without knowing a thing or two about how to run an organization and how to train a group of people. If they're willing to share some of that, I'm willing to let 'em.

Now if only the registrar's office at USC would get that memo about students performing better later in the morning. (Stinkin' 8:00 AM classes! I haven't had classes that early since fifth grade!)

Cuog 10-09-2006 16:10

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Sounds dangerous.

Now lets see what the Linux run school looks like :D

Alexa Stott 10-09-2006 16:21

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I would love to attend that school.




Just so I can install Ubuntu on the laptop for the school.

I guess this would be the first school closed due to a BSOD...

Madison 10-09-2006 16:24

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(I'm biased.)

The company is making an active, legitimate effort toward doing something about reforming a failing system of public schools and the best we have to offer for discussion is some ill-formed jokes about software crashing? Weak.

artdutra04 10-09-2006 16:44

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Even though Microsoft has its ups and downs when it comes to software, I would attend a school like this. Any corporation as large as Microsoft has the money and resources to help devise better ways to educate students. Even if these students are using Windows and Office software, the end result will be students who are much more competant in areas such as computers, business, leadership, technology, current events, etc. than other students the same age in other schools.

Sometimes in life you need to overlook the short term to see the long term potential. :)

thegathering 10-09-2006 16:44

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Originally Posted by M. Krass
(I'm biased.)

The company is making an active, legitimate effort toward doing something about reforming a failing system of public schools and the best we have to offer for discussion is some ill-formed jokes about software crashing? Weak.

feel free to provide a discussion then ;)


I see this as another attempt to expand the Microsoft monopoly. They've already tapped the government, which then ran Windows in the school systems. This is just an attempt to further guaruntee Microsoft's future by teaching students to rely on "Microsoft koolaid" as our team leader at TKC Communications likes to say.

Koko Ed 10-09-2006 16:55

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Corporate sponsored schooling.
I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.
It would be intersting for FIRST teams. They'd have built in sponsoring.

Cuog 10-09-2006 16:59

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It is certainly a good idea that microsoft wants to help up the technology in schools but the problem is i know people. A High tech school is a playground for computer-able pranksters hackers whatever you want to call them. I know for a fact with the limited technology in my school(Just desktops in comp labs) students still find ways to cause problems.

JaneYoung 10-09-2006 17:11

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed
Corporate sponsored schooling.
I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.
It would be intersting for FIRST teams. They'd have built in sponsoring.

It would be cool if the school had a shop, that's for sure.

It seems to have lots of opportunity and potential, and students who want to be in the program. I'd like to hear from some of the teachers regarding the training and the expectations and how all of it is applied.

Koko Ed 10-09-2006 17:19

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Originally Posted by Jane
It would be cool if the school had a shop, that's for sure.

It seems to have lots of opportunity and potential, and students who want to be in the program. I'd like to hear from some of the teachers regarding the training and the expectations and how all of it is applied.

It'd be nice if we could have a shop at our school.... :(

Andrew Blair 10-09-2006 17:21

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Sounds like this school:

http://www.ossm.edu/index.htm

I met a kid from there- really, really smart. I think these schools are doing something right- not everything can go perfectly. Also is like the school Oprah did a special on that had a FIRST team.

But I agree- they should have a shop.

thegathering 10-09-2006 17:30

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Originally Posted by Andrew Blair
Sounds like this school:

http://www.ossm.edu/index.htm

I met a kid from there- really, really smart. I think these schools are doing something right- not everything can go perfectly. Also is like the school Oprah did a special on that had a FIRST team.

Perhaps, but that is a science and mathematics school, this is a corporation ran school. I go to an IT school that has all the comforts of a modern day corporate server room, but we're ran by the government, not a software company.

Joe Matt 10-09-2006 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by M. Krass
(I'm biased.)

The company is making an active, legitimate effort toward doing something about reforming a failing system of public schools and the best we have to offer for discussion is some ill-formed jokes about software crashing? Weak.

Well done Microsoft for brining your products and excellent services to the Philadelphia school system. As their recent great advertising states, "Your potential, our passion," you are fully determined to bring your award winning, easy to use software and products to let our kids meet their potential.

Thanks.

Mike 10-09-2006 18:24

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Hey, I like stereotypes!

Everything Microsoft does is wrong.
All Apple users wear black turtlenecks and sip Starbucks.
Linux users are arrogant snobs who are convinced their product is superior.



Lets just disregard the fact that Bill Gates is one of the largest philanthropists since Andrew Carnegie.

JamesBrown 10-09-2006 18:51

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Sure windows Crashes.

If you want to blast Microsoft's ability to do things then why don't you find a copy of Vista and complain about that. This school is some thing quite different than any thing Microsoft (or to the best of my knowledge any other company) has done before. Microsoft is developing the curriculum for this school to help students develop in fields that they believe help people to be competitive in the world. If you want to try to tell me that Microsoft doesn't know anything about being successful in the technological and business worlds then I would love to hear your argument. This forum is for FIRST, Dean tells us every time he makes a speech that something needs to be done to make our generation more competitive at the international level. Well it seems to me that Microsoft feels the same way and is doing something about it.

I would venture to guess that if the Segway crashed when people used it in unusual ways you would not start to talk about how FIRST was a bad Idea. Just because Microsoft's software is not perfect there is no reason to assume that this school is a bad Idea.

thegathering 10-09-2006 19:19

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Originally Posted by JamesBrown
I would venture to guess that if the Segway crashed when people used it in unusual ways you would not start to talk about how FIRST was a bad Idea. Just because Microsoft's software is not perfect there is no reason to assume that this school is a bad Idea.

Well, I'd start talking about how FIRST was a bad idea if the Segway started crashing frequently even when it was being used normally, a requirement of FIRST was that you rode one whenever you were building the robot or at competition, and you were only allowed to ride the Segway with Segway approved accessories excluding accessories that improved the Segway's usage.

Putting the Microsoft monopoly aside, I still don't believe it is a good idea to have a school system ran by a private company. You can just imagine what kind of problems you'd have with product usage if you look at private Christian schools, many of which require teachers to attend the church to teach at the school. Imagine being forced to use the company's products as an example for the company to allow you to teach at the school.




However, I think a technology school on that scale would be wonderful. I would love to see a school DESIGNED with the technological planning and proposals from Microsoft (which we are already being forcefed their software) and leave the school management to the government under the public school system. Perhaps a project similiar to the jobs a government contractor would perform, having the school contracted to a private business for design and planning but leaving the management of the final school product to the government's usage.


Our technology school is similiar to what they are proposing. We use smart boards in every other classroom, have a total of 25 computer labs with an estimated 450 3.0GHZ 1GB ram computers at our disposal, and an entire IT corridor. Our classes use Microsoft Windows on almost all computers except for a MacLab upstairs and a couple more personal Linux conversion boxes. The courses we teach, though, allow an expansive amount of software that we can use. For example, in computer art classes, there is the option to use either Adobe Photoshop or The Gimp if you are comfortable with it. APCS can use multiple IDEs such as JCreator or BlueJ. Classes have the option to use different products if different products are available.

This allows for broader familiarity of software to prevent becoming reliant on on products or series of products. I fear that Microsoft will limit their students to using only Microsoft "kool-aid", limiting students to working with Microsoft in the future and continuing Microsoft's firm lead in the OS marketplace.

Personally, I feel that it is important for students to learn what options are available to them. Eating pizza every day would not allow you to experience a world of other flavors, not to mention it would not be very healthy for you. I feel that third party software and open source software provide these other flavors. They also may give a better learning environment by providing more dynamic features that would not be contained in the Microsoft product (look at Firefox vs IE 6).

Just my .02 and I'll let you guys discuss further.

Greg Needel 10-09-2006 19:56

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This is one of those threads that I really don't like to see, where people stick to their guns and beat an issue to death. When I first read this article I though "wow this is such a good idea" any company that committed to helping to build a better education system is great.

Now about Microsoft and the way they will be "forcing" students to use their software only. How is this different then any other company. Here are a few examples: Autodesk gives software to FIRST teams and as a result hundreds of people pick Inventor as their number 1 choice for CAD software. How about when any company gives a student discount...they are trying to get you to use their software; In fact many companies give tons of software away to colleges for this exact reason.

Basically what Microsoft is doing is not uncommon and is a very good business practice, not a monopoly. If you owned a business wouldn't you want to get the biggest market share that you can?

When it all comes down to it in the end the education system in the US is really in trouble and if people can see the bigger picture they will realize that if any organization, FIRST, Companies, or individuals throws a lifeline to a public school system it is a good thing.

Cynette 10-09-2006 20:28

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A school with no books? No rows and rows of shelves with glorious words written on paper?

While I think having the latest and greatest technology would be wonderful for today's student, I still bemoan the idea that all research should be done online and that the hard copy encyclopedia is obsolete. And I cannot imagine cuddling up with my laptop to read a good story! :(

thegathering 10-09-2006 20:31

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Originally Posted by mocat1530
While I think having the latest and greatest technology would be wonderful for today's student, I still bemoan the idea that all research should be done online and that the hard copy encyclopedia is obsolete. And I cannot imagine cuddling up with my laptop to read a good story! :(

I've tried that. It makes your eyes hurt after a few pages. :(

JamesBrown 10-09-2006 21:38

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Originally Posted by thegathering
Well, I'd start talking about how FIRST was a bad idea if the Segway started crashing frequently even when it was being used normally, a requirement of FIRST was that you rode one whenever you were building the robot or at competition, and you were only allowed to ride the Segway with Segway approved accessories excluding accessories that improved the Segway's usage.


What if these Segways were given to you for free and other companies developed software that worked on these Segways and didn't crash.

There is nothing stopping these kids from running Linux or any other operating system. Every thing that they are getting is free. I think that any one on here would like to get a laptop for free even if it was Windows based.

Bottom line Microsoft is giving these kids an amazing opportunity. Like Microsoft or not they are designing a program that will be very helpful to these kids. I believe that any one arguing needs to realize that you are judging a companies ability to develop leaders (essentially what Microsoft's curriculum is designed to do) based on their ability to develop software.

Microsoft has developed leaders. Bill Gates obviously being the most well known. Gates is a self made billionaire. No way to argue that point. Give the program a couple of years and I bet these kids who most likely wouldn't have gone to college will be getting accepted to top schools all over the country.

artdutra04 10-09-2006 21:41

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A High tech school is a playground for computer-able pranksters hackers whatever you want to call them.
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I guess this would be the first school closed due to a BSOD...
That's the problem with computer geeks with no life, whose sole goal in life is hacking. (I'm sorry, that will probably offend some of you.) If they attended that school and did this, they wouldn't have appreciated what was given to them as a gift.

If I was the principal of the Microsoft-founded school, and some arrogant little kid bluescreened my network, I'd expel him or her out faster than they can type [Win]+[R]+cmd+[Enter]. They may think they are cool and all, crashing the school's computers, but they aren't that smart. If they cannot appreciate what was given to them, there are plenty of other students who can, and will take their place.

Mike 11-09-2006 00:38

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Originally Posted by artdutra04
That's the problem with computer geeks with no life, whose sole goal in life is hacking. (I'm sorry, that will probably offend some of you.) If they attended that school and did this, they wouldn't have appreciated what was given to them as a gift.

I like your lack of political correctness.

Andy A. 11-09-2006 01:21

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Microsoft has been a fantastic company when it comes to education. They'll throw free software at just about any educational institution that asks for it.

My only two concerns are,

1. A bookless library. Encyclopedias are still valid and a student should know how to use an index. If nothing else, they should have a collection of printed fiction. Magazines and Newspapers to.

2. If the 'system' Microsoft has come up with out does not work, what options are there for changing it? I'd say anything would be better then the way most schools are run today. I'm also suspicious of anything that labels a student as a 'learner'. Change is good, but some corporate practices, like slapping a new label on something and expecting it to some how change for the better, do not belong in schools.

I'd have loved to be a student there. A school like that is far more likely to appreciate technology and maybe even offer some classes around it. I hope they eventually field a FIRST team. It seems like a natural match.

-Local

Morgan Gillespie 11-09-2006 07:04

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At first to anyone who knows how to use a computer for more than games, email, instant messaging and myspace, they look at this and laugh. Yet I want to go beyond that and actually talk about the ways this would greatly help students who do in fact only use computers for those listed uses.
Honestly in my school 90% of the people who walked into my CAD / Inventor class said something like this and I quote, "Oh snap yo, we gettah use computers!" Sadly I am not making that up. Another example would be in Calhounian's class where a teacher asked students to write their favorite computer application and students would write, "The internets" or "Myspace." The fact of the matter is regardless of whether or not Microsoft is doing this to build a dependency on Windows in those students, those students still need help! Badly! While not everyone in my school is completely computer illiterate, very few even know where to go when the computer is missing drivers.
Most of these kids would never consider a job even involving computers, yet the fact is there are very few jobs that do not depend greatly on computers. Giving them a daily education in a tech oriented school could help them very greatly in the long run.
All jokes aside we should be greatly supporting this because I do not know how much longer I can keep my other thoughts from exploding when I explain to someone what a mouse is.

Katie Reynolds 11-09-2006 08:45

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed
Corporate sponsored schooling.
I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

Have you ever read the book "Jennifer Government" by Max Berry? If not, pick it up when you have some time. It's a quick read, but gets the point across.

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Originally Posted by Publishers Weekly
The most unnerving thing about Max (formerly Maxx) Barry's new novel is that its hyperbolic vision of the not too distant future doesn't seem too far out there at all. The world is run by giant corporations who literally go to war with one another; Australia and the U.K. are annexes of the United States; the police are for sale to the highest bidder; and employees take the last name of their employers. Thus, the cast of characters includes John Nike, Georgia Saints Nike (she volunteers at the Church of Latter-Day Saints), Billy NRA, Buy Mitsui, Hayley McDonalds, and so forth. Jennifer Government, a former advertising executive turned government agent, is hot on the trail of the villainous John Nike for murder. As the mastermind of the latest Nike campaign, he planned the murder of 14 teenagers in order to build up the street reputation for Nike's new $2,500 sneaker, Mercurys. Frederick's reading of this wacked-out morality play is first-rate. His obvious enjoyment of the satire fuels his performance. Especially entertaining are his stereotypical foreign accents, which would seem out of place under most circumstances, but they fit the comic book-type characters waging chaos in this saga like an Aris glove.

In the book, all schools are sponsored by corporations, and the schools compete just like the corporations do. "Microsoft" schools and "McDonalds" schools are the two big ones mentioned in the novel. In fact, Hayley McDonalds wishes she were Hayley Microsoft because they get better computers at that school. It's an interesting read, and an interesting idea.

Ashley Weed 11-09-2006 09:42

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I actually attended a corporate funded college within Penn State. The college of IST is funded by numerous fortune 500 companies, and the principles that are taught within the college are to mold the perfect employee for the world that we live in today. I do not at all regret this action, as it was an amazing experience having everything available first-priority from all sponsoring companies. One additional attribute of such an environment is the companies automatically hiring the employee that was created for them by the program that they created.

Jeremiah Johnson 11-09-2006 18:06

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I personally don't like corporate funded higher education. Mostly because I don't believe they offer as good an education as one that's been set for 100+ years. There are 2 corporate funded schools here in the QCA. Hamilton Technical College and Kaplan University. Both of them offer the same things, mainly computers, CAD, CNA, and paralegal stuff. But at an expensive price. A friend of mine went to Hamilton to get his CAD degree and didn't think it was worth his time and money. He got his degree but they didn't help him find a job and they didn't teach him much of anything but CAD. That last part could be good but not in the general sense. Good for a quick education I guess.

It would be nice to go to that school. The students have an advantage with the technology at their fingertips. Especially since it's in a low-income area. Many of the students have indefinitely been given a second chance at education because Microsoft took on this endeavour. Now if only Microsoft would have paid for it.


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