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118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16 Score: 20 X 19 Comment: a keeper by 16, a lots of defense played here, a blue tube stucked in the flag of 1421, a 12" lift by 118, and a 10 pts penalty to the red and 2 isolated tubes and a 4" lift to the blue.. only one point difference |
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one of the alliances in the semi 1 asked the 6 minutes timeout to fix their robots
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semifinal 1 match 2
846, 148 and 1750 X 1772, 364 and 57 Score: 10 X 10 Comment: another keeper by 846, the 1750 didn't move, a lot of agressive defense in this game... amazing match again... a row of three and an isolated tube to the red, and 2 rows of 2 and an isolated tube to the blue... no liftings this time... (1750 didn't move and 57 had a problem with a tube in their traction system) |
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another 6 min time out... they are doing the chicken dance! lol
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semifinal 2 match 2
118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16 Score: 0 X 20 Comment: 16 didn't the keeper this time, a lot of defense again, no tubes,10 pts penalty and a 12" bot to the blue alliance |
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"D" = defense. The teams must really be fighting hard if nobody is able to score...
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semifinal 1 match 3
846, 148 and 1750 X 1772, 364 and 57 Score: 20 X 70 Comment: a near miss to 876 in the auto, many defense, pretty strategy by team 846 putting tubes in the blue home zone a row of 3 and 3 rows of 2 to the red, 2 rows of 2, and one isolated tube (it would be 1 row of 5 and 1 of two, but it was spoiled) and 2 12" to the blue alliance The blue alliance is the first finalist |
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118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16 Score: 4 X 4 Comment: a keeper by 16, lots of defense again, one gripper broke(i didnt know of which alliance)only a row of 2 to both alliances another match coming |
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Edit: 4 to 4, with a keeper scored by Blue! Is there a timeout to repair the robot or have the timeouts already been used? |
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and : semifinal 2 match 4 118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16 Score: 12 X 0 Comment: a keeper in the mid by 16, 1 row of 3 and 1 row of 2 to the blue and a row of three to the blue.. 30 pts penalty to blue the other finalists are 118, 476 and 1745 the finals : 1772, 364 and 57 against 118, 476 and 1745 |
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I just got a call from my son at the LSR.
He said that a "red card" was issued to Team 16 because they got lifted by a red robot in the red alliance zone. From what he said, team 16's robot was being pinned and defended strongly in the red home zone when they were lifted by a red robot's forklift. That ended up being a penalty on blue. Did team 16 attempt to escape the red home zone, did they drive onto the red robot's lift? My son wasn't sure that Team 16 deserved a penalty for their actions... |
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Final match 1
1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745 Score 16 X 2 coment: 1772 free to score... and the other bots fighting a row of 4 to the red, and 1 isolated tube to the blue, 57 stopped to move in the middle of the game |
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Final match 2
1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745 Score 34 X 38 coment: a lot of defense,1772 stopped to work a row of 2 to the red, two rows of 2 to the blue... both had a bot at 12"... we'll have a third match |
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1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745 Score 30 X 32 coment: only a tube to the blue... both teams lifted at 12"... 1772 stopped to work again... now a brazilian comenting this.... what a pity... if the robot of 1772 didn't break they could get more 30 pts and win in both games |
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THANK YOU very much for providing the updates. Are you actually in Brasil right now? (If so, I think it's funny that you are describing an event that's much closer to me than to you - the marvels of modern technology!) |
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yeah sometimes the things taka a bad turn... it's a pity... i would like to see 1772 competing in atlanta... another brazilian team :D lol PS: sorry if made grammar or spelling mistakes :D See ya |
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I just got home from the LSR and had a fantastic time. Congratulations to ALL of the teams! Team 1480 fought gremlins all day on Friday with our arm, but did well Saturday morning. Unfortunately a little to late, but the kids learned a lot and were VERY proud that they finally got their robot working.
Elimination rounds were incredible. And the defense was intense. The pit crews for some of the robots were kept very busy between rounds (118!) keeping their machines running. By the finals teams were scrambling for fresh batteries in those no holds barred matches. Way to go! |
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Mateus, thank you very much for the play-by-play during eliminations.
Does anyone have the list of awards? The FIRST website still doesn't have ANYTHING! |
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i haven't and i still trying to discover something about that list... =/ |
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I recall a partial list.
Sportsmanship - 57 Engineering Inspiration - 118 Chairman's - 922 Industrial Design - 148 Motorola Quality - 476 Team Spirit - 462 Safety - 476 Sorry, that's all I can remember at the moment. Tooootally wiped out from the finals and losing two such close matches on a robot getting pushed into non-workingness. |
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1772 was getting defended pretty hard by 1745. In the 2nd match, 1745 pushed them hard enough to make 1772's treads slip off a pulley and catch inside their robot, so they couldn't move. In the 3rd match, the same happened, only 1745 completely bent up 1772's arm as well. So I think 1772 would have had a rough time at nationals with their arm bent like that.
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Oh yeah, thanks for the info on the award Kevin! |
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Heh. No, they didn't. We lost that match by 2 points, So I'd be taking a slightly different tone if they had been penalized. I'll be parsing the video I recorded and uploading it to SOAP soon, so everyone can see what happened and where the awards went.
As for why none of it was posted, I here it was a communication SNAFU, and an ISDN line was ordered instead of an ethernet line, so there was no way of connecting to the internet at the regional |
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The red card was not given to team 16, it was given to us, team 418.
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As for the red card, I believe we (team 418) received the red card. I decided to not approach the referees on the red card decision due to the chaos and heightened emotions; however, this is my understanding of what happened: I (the 418 robot) drove across the field in 2nd gear (around 9 ft/sec) and 1745 approached us at the same time. Having just received a 10 point ramming penalty, I slowed down, then decided to push through them to get to 118 and 476. While attempting to push them, they got on top of our robot and were close to falling. I then tried to back off, but realized we had become tangled. It is my belief, based on no evidence, that this was interpreted by the referees as us attempting to push 1745 over, which is reasonable grounds for a red card. I would just like to say, as the driver of the 418 robot, it was never my intention to flip their robot, in fact, I was just as interested in backing off as the were. Well, eventually 1745 managed to back off of us, pulling our battery cables in the process. Without our main battery plugged in, we were dead for the rest of the match. Regardless, it has been an amazing day. Congratulations to team 118, 476 and 1745 for their hard fought win today, and thanks to 1421 and 16 for being amazing alliance partners |
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16 drew 30 points for home zone violation (I believe). blue in red zone...15 seconds...-30 points. |
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I'd just like to say that everyone did great. There is some tough competition coming though Texas, and I'm proud to say I was part of the Lone Star Regional.
Special thanks to 846 and 1750 for being great teammates. And congrats to 118, 476 and 1745! It was really fun watching you. |
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Edit: There are 2 other moments that stand out to me: 1. watching the Brazilian team's robot. It was a neat, small robot that consistently hung ringers and worked quietly and efficiently. It was wonderful to watch. 2. watching Team 118 work hard at repairing their robot next to the field in preparation for the upcoming match(es). The students and mentors working together in difficult circumstances was something to learn from and to respect. I have others but they are kind of jumbled in a whirl of action, color, sound, laughter, emotion. :) |
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<G35> Intentional ROBOT - ROBOT interaction - Strategies aimed solely at the destruction, damage, tipping over, or entanglement of ROBOTS are not in the spirit of the FIRST Robotics Competition and are not allowed. If the contact was not high-speed ramming and was made strictly within the bumber zone, a penalty would probably not be called. Whether it is penalized or not, adopting a strategy that damages an opposing robot (due to a known vulnerability) is not GP... Edit: <G35> is the ""FIRST is not BattleBots" rule. I don't believe any team involved thinks of FIRST as BattleBots and probably has to remind the public frequently what we really do |
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My earlier post was intended to remind teams that this is not "Battle-bots" and a strategy that relies on breaking an opponent's robot is not consistent with the spirit of FIRST. I hope you weren't offended... |
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It is alright. I had just misinterpreted what you said. I had thought you meant our alliance had strategized to make sure the Brazilian team could not score, but that last post clarified things. Thanks for the clarification.
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Thanks to team 148 and 1750 for being great alliance partners. It was very exciting for us to be teamed up with 148 as we both could place high amounts of ringers. The great defense of 1750 allowed us to get a 256-0 win in the 2nd match of quarterfinals.
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The elimination rounds at Lone Star this year were probably the best I've seen in the past couple of years. Those matches were really intense! Congrats to 118, 1745, and 476! Good luck at Nationals.
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I'm finally putting up the eliminations on SOAP, so people can see what happened and make informed opinions. Also, I'm offering to make my archived footage available to other teams. See this thread for details on both.
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Where will the pits be located at this new venue? Will they be on the main floor blocked off by a curtain or will they be in a separate room?
This looks like a nice venue for the regional. I am a little said because I attend Rice University which is just up the Metro Rail from Reliant Arena. It was really nice this year to be able to just hope on and go back and forth from Lone Star. |
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Until we have a contract there will be no decisions made on pit and field layouts so any thing that is said by anyone other than a regional or assistant regional director for Lone Star is not accurate information. We will inform the teams that are attending of all the information they will need as soon as we have details but as of right now nothing is set in stone. |
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The match results, final standings, and awards are now available on the FIRST website for Lonestar!
I noticed a new "Gracious Professionalism Award" for Lonestar. What's the story? I don't remember this before nor do I see it for any other regional this year. It sounds like a good idea though. Was this something special just for Lonestar? What outstanding GP did 57, 434, and 846 show? Sounds like the making of a great new award for next year! Congrats to all the award winning teams! |
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This venue is not large enough to accomodate a super regional nor are we ready for a super regional. We are REQUIRED to have 80 teams for a super regional and we will only be accomodating 45-50 teams maximum at this venue. This venue will NOT accomodate 80 teams and 2 fields. Once we return to Reliant in 2009 if everything comes together just perfectly, the committee has been able to raise the funds, and teams have recruited enough teams that we have 80 teams then we MIGHT have a super regional. This is a big job and will require everyone to work together and get the word about FIRST out. |
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Kymber, this sounds encouraging that Lonestar might one day be a super regional. I know the Reliant Center can handle it if another section were opened up for a larger pit area. Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't the number of teams at a regional more of a limit imposed by FIRST rather than how many the regional can get to attend? I have always thought that FIRST specified a number of available slots and that was it. At least the FIRST regional registration webpage makes it appear that way to me. X number of slots - Y number of teams signed up = Z number of open slots. I would think that since there were 13 new rookie teams at Bayou this year just from Mississippi and Louisiana that by 2009 it would be very possible to make 80 teams at Lonestar. Lonestar is a great regional and since it is usually the last weekend I would think many teams would love to make it their 2nd or 3rd regional if FIRST would open up the slots. I can honestly see it happening and hope it does!
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Hey does anyone have video of qualifying matches at the LSR? I don't know the match number but I would like these ones:
9:50 AM (Red 441 1561 1859) (Blue 16 1867 1480) and 10:38 AM (Red 1772 16 653) (Blue 1867 1480 231) |
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*Only because I'm so picky. I'm re-encoding the elims I posted to SOAP earlier. I've got a better solution for removing interlacing now, and the team numbers are actually legible. |
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While I'm at it, I'd like to ask my customers' opinions on this encoding change I'm making. I'm uploading one of the newly encoded quarterfinals videos. It will be called tx_qf1m1alt.wmv. If you guys could compare it to the original tx_qf1m1.wmv file and PM me your preference, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to make sure I'm not making things worse. For those that have forgotten: SOAP Lone Star Archives
Encoding differences: Original Uses drop field deinterlacing. Moving objects have crisp borders, but we're basically dumping half the resolution by dropping every other line. Thus the blurry letters. Alt Uses blend deinterlacing. Moving objects have blurry borders. Interlaced fields are blended together preserving info and keeping detail in stationary objects, like the text. Basically, I'm looking for if the motion blur is distracting or troublesome. looking around 1:45 in the vids is a good example. Kevin S. |
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Well we couldn't have had more fun at Lone Star. I wanna thank everyone that helped make lone star a success, and I want to thank our alliance partners for showing us a good time. I'll never forget Brazil leading our team in our cheer. Man it was fun. Congrats to 118, 1745,and 476.
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Kevin,
Thanks for posting the videos. I found the alt version looked much better. Its much more beneficial to be able to read numbers off of the robots then to have no motion blur. Just my opinion, but regardless I'll be happy with whichever version of matches get uploaded as long as i can tell red from blue. =) |
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Thanks a bunch Kevin! I've done enough video editing myself to know how mind numbingly tedious it can be. I'm trying to get used to some new contacts, so I can't really focus well enough to give a decent opinion on the encoding formats. So I'll go with the majority on that one.
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That's good enough for me. I'll swap them all out this morning and get on finishing the quals.
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Okay, an update. I've got all the matches parsed and encoded or encoding. Unfortunately, SOAP has run out of quota. I'm taking down the huge awards vids since I wanted to chop those up anyways, but that'll only get me to about match 50. So y'all may have to wait until SOAP gets their hosting bumped up before you have the entire selection of matches.
TubaMorg, If you still want those two matches, hit up my AIM around 1PM CDT or later and I'll try to send them to you that way. |
End of Season Homework
Just a bit of cross-posting here as there might be more traffic on this thread:D
Any and all Texas FIRST teams need to inform their State legislators about an upcoming event happening in the basement of the Capitol building. Please visit this post to learn more:yikes: Texas Robot Exposition in the Capitol Building April 23rd - 27th. |
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Where are the awards videos posted? I think I read somewhere in this thread about that---but I can't find that information now that I am specifically looking for it.
Lone Star Rocked the House! |
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Tonya,
I've temporarily taken down the awards videos from SOAP. SOAP ran out of quota on their server, and teams were asking for qualifying matches. I'll repost the awards individually shortly after SOAP increases their quota and has room. As always, I have all this footage available at higher quality than on SOAP and would be more than willing to provide it to interested teams for the low, low price of enough DVD-Rs to burn the videos to and a self-addressed, stamped CD mailer. Interested teams can PM me for details and to make arrangements. |
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I appreciate all the hard work that you have done editing the vids from Lone Star. They are great!! You included the final score after each match. That's impressive. You stopped at qualifying match 46. Is there any chance to complete the rest of the matches? Thanks |
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