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mateus 31-03-2007 15:30

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
semifinal 2 match 1


118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16

Score:

20 X 19

Comment:

a keeper by 16, a lots of defense played here, a blue tube stucked in the flag of 1421, a 12" lift by 118, and a 10 pts penalty to the red and 2 isolated tubes and a 4" lift to the blue..
only one point difference

David Brinza 31-03-2007 15:34

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608228)
semifinal 2 match 1


118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16

Score:

20 X 19

Comment:

a keeper by 16, a lots of defense played here, a blue tube stucked in the flag of 1421, a 12" lift by 118, and a 10 pts penalty to the red and 2 isolated tubes and a 4" lift to the blue..
only one point difference

Oooh! So close! Sounds like a pretty good match-up.

mateus 31-03-2007 15:36

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
one of the alliances in the semi 1 asked the 6 minutes timeout to fix their robots

mateus 31-03-2007 15:38

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 608229)
Oooh! So close! Sounds like a pretty good match-up.

many fight here... i mean really lots of defense... in the game... the semi1 match 2 is about to begin... let me go see it...:D

mateus 31-03-2007 15:45

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
semifinal 1 match 2


846, 148 and 1750 X 1772, 364 and 57

Score:

10 X 10

Comment:
another keeper by 846, the 1750 didn't move, a lot of agressive defense in this game... amazing match again... a row of three and an isolated tube to the red, and 2 rows of 2 and an isolated tube to the blue... no liftings this time... (1750 didn't move and 57 had a problem with a tube in their traction system)

mateus 31-03-2007 15:49

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
another 6 min time out... they are doing the chicken dance! lol

mateus 31-03-2007 15:58

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
semifinal 2 match 2


118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16

Score:

0 X 20

Comment:

16 didn't the keeper this time, a lot of defense again, no tubes,10 pts penalty and a 12" bot to the blue alliance

David Brinza 31-03-2007 15:59

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608245)
semifinal 2 match 2


118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16

Score:

0 X 20

Comment:

16 didn't the keeper this time, a lot of defense again, no tubes,10 pts penalty and a 12" bot to the blue alliance

Another rubber match! Must be pretty brutal "D" if no ringers are being scored...

mateus 31-03-2007 16:01

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 608248)
... Must be pretty brutal "D" if no ringers are being scored...

what does this expression means?? (i'm sorry asking that, but i'm brazilian so i don't know many expressions

David Brinza 31-03-2007 16:03

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
"D" = defense. The teams must really be fighting hard if nobody is able to score...

mateus 31-03-2007 16:07

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
semifinal 1 match 3


846, 148 and 1750 X 1772, 364 and 57

Score:

20 X 70

Comment:

a near miss to 876 in the auto, many defense, pretty strategy by team 846 putting tubes in the blue home zone a row of 3 and 3 rows of 2 to the red, 2 rows of 2, and one isolated tube (it would be 1 row of 5 and 1 of two, but it was spoiled) and 2 12" to the blue alliance

The blue alliance is the first finalist

mateus 31-03-2007 16:08

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 608250)
"D" = defense. The teams must really be fighting hard if nobody is able to score...

wow... thank you... you are completely right!! it was a "battle"... many defense played by the #2 and #3 alliances in all the elimination matches

David Brinza 31-03-2007 16:12

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608254)
semifinal 1 match 3


846, 148 and 1750 X 1772, 364 and 57

Score:

20 X 70

Comment:

a near miss to 876 in the auto, many defense, pretty strategy by team 846 putting tubes in the blue home zone a row of 3 and 3 rows of 2 to the red, 2 rows of 2, and one isolated tube (it would be 1 row of 5 and 1 of two, but it was spoiled) and 2 12" to the blue alliance

The blue alliance is the first finalist

An upset by the #4 alliance! Sounds like it's pretty exciting there in Houston!

mateus 31-03-2007 16:21

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
semifinal 2 match 3


118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16

Score:

4 X 4

Comment:

a keeper by 16, lots of defense again, one gripper broke(i didnt know of which alliance)only a row of 2 to both alliances

another match coming

David Brinza 31-03-2007 16:23

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608259)
semifinal 2 match 3


118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16

Score:

X

Comment:

a keeper by 16, lots of defense again, one gripper broke(i didnt know of which alliance)only a row of 2 to both alliances

another match coming

Was this match a tie?
Edit: 4 to 4, with a keeper scored by Blue! Is there a timeout to repair the robot or have the timeouts already been used?

mateus 31-03-2007 16:35

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 608260)
Was this match a tie?

yes sorry... i forgot to put the score... but it's already edited...

and :


semifinal 2 match 4


118, 476 and 1745 X 1421, 418 and 16

Score:

12 X 0

Comment:
a keeper in the mid by 16, 1 row of 3 and 1 row of 2 to the blue and a row of three to the blue.. 30 pts penalty to blue

the other finalists are 118, 476 and 1745

the finals : 1772, 364 and 57 against 118, 476 and 1745

David Brinza 31-03-2007 16:44

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
I just got a call from my son at the LSR.

He said that a "red card" was issued to Team 16 because they got lifted by a red robot in the red alliance zone. From what he said, team 16's robot was being pinned and defended strongly in the red home zone when they were lifted by a red robot's forklift. That ended up being a penalty on blue. Did team 16 attempt to escape the red home zone, did they drive onto the red robot's lift?
My son wasn't sure that Team 16 deserved a penalty for their actions...

mateus 31-03-2007 16:45

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Final match 1

1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745

Score

16 X 2


coment:

1772 free to score... and the other bots fighting a row of 4 to the red, and 1 isolated tube to the blue, 57 stopped to move in the middle of the game

mateus 31-03-2007 16:51

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 608270)
I just got a call from my son at the LSR.

He said that a "red card" was issued to Team 16 because they got lifted by a red robot in the red alliance zone. From what he said, team 16's robot was being pinned and defended strongly in the red home zone when they were lifted by a red robot's forklift. That ended up being a penalty on blue. Did team 16 attempt to escape the red home zone, did they drive onto the red robot's lift?
My son wasn't sure that Team 16 deserved a penalty for their actions...

i saw that... but i didn't understood well, i heard the anouncer say something about raming... i don't know if it was fair or don't... but it looked like the 16 bot, tryed to block the lifting, and finished getting liftted too...

a finalist alliance asked the timeout, 2 minutes to the 2nd match

mateus 31-03-2007 17:01

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Final match 2

1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745

Score

34 X 38


coment:

a lot of defense,1772 stopped to work a row of 2 to the red, two rows of 2 to the blue... both had a bot at 12"...

we'll have a third match

David Brinza 31-03-2007 17:02

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608274)
i saw that... but i didn't understood well, i heard the anouncer say something about raming... i don't know if it was fair or don't... but it looked like the 16 bot, tryed to block the lifting, and finished getting liftted too...

a finalist alliance asked the timeout, 2 minutes to the 2nd match

It's not always easy to understand why penalties were called, even when you are right beside the field. Often, the referees will talk about any controversial penalties at the end of the match to make sure they all agree on the infraction. But the game announcer might not explain the penalty very well.

David Brinza 31-03-2007 17:03

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608277)
Final match 2

1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745

Score

34 X 38


coment:

a lot of defense,1772 stopped to work a row of 2 to the red, two rows of 2 to the blue... both had a bot at 12"...

we'll have a third match

Wow! Very close. It sounds like a very hard fought final.

mateus 31-03-2007 17:13

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Final match 3

1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745

Score

30 X 32


coment:

only a tube to the blue... both teams lifted at 12"... 1772 stopped to work again...

now a brazilian comenting this.... what a pity... if the robot of 1772 didn't break they could get more 30 pts and win in both games

David Brinza 31-03-2007 17:18

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608286)
Final match 3

1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745

Score

30 X 32


coment:

only a tube to the blue... both teams lifted at 12"... 1772 stopped to work again...

now a brazilian comenting this.... what a pity... if the robot of 1772 didn't break they could get more 30 pts and win in both games

It's a very tough game. The robots can take only so much abuse before something fails. But all of the teams are winners, maybe just not the champions today.

THANK YOU very much for providing the updates.

Are you actually in Brasil right now? (If so, I think it's funny that you are describing an event that's much closer to me than to you - the marvels of modern technology!)

mateus 31-03-2007 17:25

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 608291)
It's a very tough game. The robots can take only so much abuse before something fails. But all of the teams are winners, maybe just not the champions today.

THANK YOU very much for providing the updates.

Are you actually in Brasil right now? (If so, I think it's funny that you are describing an event that's much closer to me than to you - the marvels of modern technology!)

you're welcome it was a pleasre to help... i know hos is frustrating to don't have any information, i was in the same situation yesterday...and yeah i'm in brazil now... it is 6:24 pm here... yeah that is really funny...

yeah sometimes the things taka a bad turn... it's a pity... i would like to see 1772 competing in atlanta... another brazilian team :D lol

PS: sorry if made grammar or spelling mistakes :D

See ya

Madison 31-03-2007 17:25

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 608280)
It's not always easy to understand why penalties were called, even when you are right beside the field. Often, the referees will talk about any controversial penalties at the end of the match to make sure they all agree on the infraction. But the game announcer might not explain the penalty very well.

I would be thrilled if the referees took the time to tell the teams receiving the penalties how, why and when the penalty was assessed.

Thrilled.

TubaMorg 31-03-2007 20:47

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
I just got home from the LSR and had a fantastic time. Congratulations to ALL of the teams! Team 1480 fought gremlins all day on Friday with our arm, but did well Saturday morning. Unfortunately a little to late, but the kids learned a lot and were VERY proud that they finally got their robot working.

Elimination rounds were incredible. And the defense was intense. The pit crews for some of the robots were kept very busy between rounds (118!) keeping their machines running. By the finals teams were scrambling for fresh batteries in those no holds barred matches.

Way to go!

ChuckDickerson 31-03-2007 21:29

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Mateus, thank you very much for the play-by-play during eliminations.

Does anyone have the list of awards? The FIRST website still doesn't have ANYTHING!

mateus 31-03-2007 22:10

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 608425)
Mateus, thank you very much for the play-by-play during eliminations.

Does anyone have the list of awards? The FIRST website still doesn't have ANYTHING!

you're welcome...

i haven't and i still trying to discover something about that list... =/

Kevin Sevcik 31-03-2007 22:37

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
I recall a partial list.

Sportsmanship - 57
Engineering Inspiration - 118
Chairman's - 922
Industrial Design - 148
Motorola Quality - 476
Team Spirit - 462
Safety - 476

Sorry, that's all I can remember at the moment. Tooootally wiped out from the finals and losing two such close matches on a robot getting pushed into non-workingness.

mateus 31-03-2007 23:04

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 608464)
I recall a partial list.

Sportsmanship - 57
Engineering Inspiration - 118
Chairman's - 922
Industrial Design - 148
Motorola Quality - 476
Team Spirit - 462
Safety - 476

Sorry, that's all I can remember at the moment. Tooootally wiped out from the finals and losing two such close matches on a robot getting pushed into non-workingness.

it was a really great pitty... i would really like to see all teams of your alliance competing in atlanta chiefly 1772... i can't believe their bot stoped to work, you would win... :(

by the way what has happened??

Kevin Sevcik 31-03-2007 23:34

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
1772 was getting defended pretty hard by 1745. In the 2nd match, 1745 pushed them hard enough to make 1772's treads slip off a pulley and catch inside their robot, so they couldn't move. In the 3rd match, the same happened, only 1745 completely bent up 1772's arm as well. So I think 1772 would have had a rough time at nationals with their arm bent like that.

ChuckDickerson 31-03-2007 23:41

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 608502)
1772 was getting defended pretty hard by 1745. In the 2nd match, 1745 pushed them hard enough to make 1772's treads slip off a pulley and catch inside their robot, so they couldn't move. In the 3rd match, the same happened, only 1745 completely bent up 1772's arm as well. So I think 1772 would have had a rough time at nationals with their arm bent like that.

Wow, sounds like some heavy D. Did 1745 get any penalty for damaging 1772's arm?

Oh yeah, thanks for the info on the award Kevin!

Kevin Sevcik 31-03-2007 23:50

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Heh. No, they didn't. We lost that match by 2 points, So I'd be taking a slightly different tone if they had been penalized. I'll be parsing the video I recorded and uploading it to SOAP soon, so everyone can see what happened and where the awards went.

As for why none of it was posted, I here it was a communication SNAFU, and an ISDN line was ordered instead of an ethernet line, so there was no way of connecting to the internet at the regional

mateus 31-03-2007 23:57

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 608502)
1772 was getting defended pretty hard by 1745. In the 2nd match, 1745 pushed them hard enough to make 1772's treads slip off a pulley and catch inside their robot, so they couldn't move. In the 3rd match, the same happened, only 1745 completely bent up 1772's arm as well. So I think 1772 would have had a rough time at nationals with their arm bent like that.

yeah i saw the defense... and untill now i can't understand how they (1745) didn't get a penalty.... at least in the third match... they(1745) rammed 1772... when their(1772) arm broke

Henry_Mareck 01-04-2007 00:44

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
The red card was not given to team 16, it was given to us, team 418.

newton418 01-04-2007 00:56

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by M. Krass (Post 608294)
I would be thrilled if the referees took the time to tell the teams receiving the penalties how, why and when the penalty was assessed.

Thrilled.

As the driver for 418, I would like to add that the head referee did, in my opinion, an amazing job. There were several times I did not understand, or disagreed with the penalties, and every time I talked to him after a match he patiently explained the ruling to me. Though I agree that it would be great if the referees went up to the drive team and explained penalties, considering how much they are already expected to do, I don't know if that would be feasible.

As for the red card, I believe we (team 418) received the red card. I decided to not approach the referees on the red card decision due to the chaos and heightened emotions; however, this is my understanding of what happened:

I (the 418 robot) drove across the field in 2nd gear (around 9 ft/sec) and 1745 approached us at the same time. Having just received a 10 point ramming penalty, I slowed down, then decided to push through them to get to 118 and 476. While attempting to push them, they got on top of our robot and were close to falling. I then tried to back off, but realized we had become tangled. It is my belief, based on no evidence, that this was interpreted by the referees as us attempting to push 1745 over, which is reasonable grounds for a red card. I would just like to say, as the driver of the 418 robot, it was never my intention to flip their robot, in fact, I was just as interested in backing off as the were. Well, eventually 1745 managed to back off of us, pulling our battery cables in the process. Without our main battery plugged in, we were dead for the rest of the match.

Regardless, it has been an amazing day. Congratulations to team 118, 476 and 1745 for their hard fought win today, and thanks to 1421 and 16 for being amazing alliance partners

EricH 01-04-2007 01:59

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by newton418 (Post 608555)
...As for the red card, I believe we (team 418) received the red card. I decided to not approach the referees on the red card decision due to the chaos and heightened emotions; however, this is my understanding of what happened:

I (the 418 robot) drove across the field in 2nd gear (around 9 ft/sec) and 1745 approached us at the same time. Having just received a 10 point ramming penalty, I slowed down, then decided to push through them to get to 118 and 476. While attempting to push them, they got on top of our robot and were close to falling. I then tried to back off, but realized we had become tangled. It is my belief, based on no evidence, that this was interpreted by the referees as us attempting to push 1745 over, which is reasonable grounds for a red card. I would just like to say, as the driver of the 418 robot, it was never my intention to flip their robot, in fact, I was just as interested in backing off as the were. Well, eventually 1745 managed to back off of us, pulling our battery cables in the process. Without our main battery plugged in, we were dead for the rest of the match...

Webcast: I believe it would have been high speed, long distance ramming.

16 drew 30 points for home zone violation (I believe). blue in red zone...15 seconds...-30 points.

Hegemoni 01-04-2007 02:36

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
I'd just like to say that everyone did great. There is some tough competition coming though Texas, and I'm proud to say I was part of the Lone Star Regional.

Special thanks to 846 and 1750 for being great teammates.

And congrats to 118, 476 and 1745! It was really fun watching you.

TubaMorg 01-04-2007 10:56

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by newton418 (Post 608555)
As the driver for 418, I would like to add that the head referee did, in my opinion, an amazing job. There were several times I did not understand, or disagreed with the penalties, and every time I talked to him after a match he patiently explained the ruling to me. Though I agree that it would be great if the referees went up to the drive team and explained penalties, considering how much they are already expected to do, I don't know if that would be feasible.

As for the red card, I believe we (team 418) received the red card. I decided to not approach the referees on the red card decision due to the chaos and heightened emotions; however, this is my understanding of what happened:

I (the 418 robot) drove across the field in 2nd gear (around 9 ft/sec) and 1745 approached us at the same time. Having just received a 10 point ramming penalty, I slowed down, then decided to push through them to get to 118 and 476. While attempting to push them, they got on top of our robot and were close to falling. I then tried to back off, but realized we had become tangled. It is my belief, based on no evidence, that this was interpreted by the referees as us attempting to push 1745 over, which is reasonable grounds for a red card. I would just like to say, as the driver of the 418 robot, it was never my intention to flip their robot, in fact, I was just as interested in backing off as the were. Well, eventually 1745 managed to back off of us, pulling our battery cables in the process. Without our main battery plugged in, we were dead for the rest of the match.

Regardless, it has been an amazing day. Congratulations to team 118, 476 and 1745 for their hard fought win today, and thanks to 1421 and 16 for being amazing alliance partners

As an impartial observer of the finals, there was a lot of pretty aggressive defense going on. I have to say, though, that Purple Haze was being clearly VERY aggresive on defense. The match in question was clearly a high speed collision from across 2/3s of the field. Whether an attempt was made to slow down beforehand, it was not discernable from the stands. I thought 418 had been disabled due to the DQ call and was frankly amazed 1745 survived the crash. This sort of driving was evident in prior matches and I guess the referee finally decided enough was enough.

Kymber 01-04-2007 19:04

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608242)
another 6 min time out... they are doing the chicken dance! lol

Ok I just had to point this out for those who missed it, we actually had Paul Gudonis aka President of FIRST out there doing the chicken dance with our regional director and some of the judges. What a great time, and no I did not do the chicken dance, I have a thing about chickens, can't stand them so I avoid anything that has the word chicken in it.

JaneYoung 01-04-2007 19:52

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymber (Post 609032)
Ok I just had to point this out for those who missed it, we actually had Paul Gudonis aka President of FIRST out there doing the chicken dance with our regional director and some of the judges.

They seemed to have a great time with the team mascots they were dancing with. That was one of the many, many special moments of LSR this year.

Edit:
There are 2 other moments that stand out to me:
1. watching the Brazilian team's robot. It was a neat, small robot that consistently hung ringers and worked quietly and efficiently. It was wonderful to watch.
2. watching Team 118 work hard at repairing their robot next to the field in preparation for the upcoming match(es). The students and mentors working together in difficult circumstances was something to learn from and to respect.

I have others but they are kind of jumbled in a whirl of action, color, sound, laughter, emotion. :)

RyanN 01-04-2007 21:37

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mateus (Post 608286)
Final match 3

1772, 364 and 57 X 118, 476 and 1745

Score

30 X 32


coment:

only a tube to the blue... both teams lifted at 12"... 1772 stopped to work again...

now a brazilian comenting this.... what a pity... if the robot of 1772 didn't break they could get more 30 pts and win in both games

Yeah, one of the teams from the 118, 476 and 1745 alliance figured out that if they push the Brazilian team by the side that it would knock off their treads, and in the final match they bent 1/4" aluminum on them that connected to their arm. Very rough defense was played by us as well. Both alliances were struggling in the finals to keep running. We had the battery cable yanked out in one of the matches. I want to congratulate teams 118, 476 and 1754 on their great work and we hope to see them at nationals.

David Brinza 01-04-2007 23:48

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanN (Post 609211)
Yeah, one of the teams from the 118, 476 and 1745 alliance figured out that if they push the Brazilian team by the side that it would knock off their treads, and in the final match they bent 1/4" aluminum on them that connected to their arm. Very rough defense was played by us as well. Both alliances were struggling in the finals to keep running. We had the battery cable yanked out in one of the matches. I want to congratulate teams 118, 476 and 1754 on their great work and we hope to see them at nationals.

Technically, (edit: any) strategy used by 118, 476 and 1745 to (edit: intentionally) damage the Brazilian robot is not legal:
<G35> Intentional ROBOT - ROBOT interaction - Strategies aimed solely at the destruction, damage, tipping over, or entanglement of ROBOTS are not in the spirit of the FIRST Robotics Competition and are not allowed.

If the contact was not high-speed ramming and was made strictly within the bumber zone, a penalty would probably not be called. Whether it is penalized or not, adopting a strategy that damages an opposing robot (due to a known vulnerability) is not GP...

Edit: <G35> is the ""FIRST is not BattleBots" rule. I don't believe any team involved thinks of FIRST as BattleBots and probably has to remind the public frequently what we really do

Zoheb N 02-04-2007 00:02

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanN (Post 609211)
Yeah, one of the teams from the 118, 476 and 1745 alliance figured out that if they push the Brazilian team by the side that it would knock off their treads, and in the final match they bent 1/4" aluminum on them that connected to their arm. Very rough defense was played by us as well. Both alliances were struggling in the finals to keep running. We had the battery cable yanked out in one of the matches. I want to congratulate teams 118, 476 and 1754 on their great work and we hope to see them at nationals.

I am on 118 and I am pretty sure that no one on our alliance purposely knocked off the Brazilian teams tread. It was from playing defense and trying to prevent them from scoring. There was no intent to take the Brazilian team "out of the fight" and make their robot not function as well.

David Brinza 02-04-2007 00:09

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoheb N (Post 609346)
I am on 118 and I am pretty sure that no one on our alliance purposely knocked off the Brazilian teams tread. It was from playing defense and trying to prevent them from scoring. There was no intent to take the Brazilian team "out of the fight" and make their robot not function as well.

I am sure that veteran teams such as your own don't develop strategies based on damaging opposing robots. We all scout teams to understand how we can gain advantage based on relative capabilities of the robots and drivers.

My earlier post was intended to remind teams that this is not "Battle-bots" and a strategy that relies on breaking an opponent's robot is not consistent with the spirit of FIRST. I hope you weren't offended...

Zoheb N 02-04-2007 00:14

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
It is alright. I had just misinterpreted what you said. I had thought you meant our alliance had strategized to make sure the Brazilian team could not score, but that last post clarified things. Thanks for the clarification.

SU 39 02-04-2007 00:40

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Thanks to team 148 and 1750 for being great alliance partners. It was very exciting for us to be teamed up with 148 as we both could place high amounts of ringers. The great defense of 1750 allowed us to get a 256-0 win in the 2nd match of quarterfinals.

newton418 02-04-2007 01:54

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 608577)
Webcast: I believe it would have been high speed, long distance ramming.

16 drew 30 points for home zone violation (I believe). blue in red zone...15 seconds...-30 points.

I would have thought this, but someone on the field (in the chaos I don't remember who) told me that the initial impact was not the reason for the red card. I do not know how credible the source was, since a lot of things were said and thought on the field, but that reason would seem inconsistent with the rulings earlier that day, and the previous two days. Additionally, IF it was interpreted that I (the driver of the 418 robot) was trying to intentionally "tip over" 1745 it would obviously be a violation of rule <G35>*, which, to me, is reasonable grounds for a red card.

*<G35> Intentional ROBOT - ROBOT interaction - Strategies aimed solely at the destruction, damage, tipping over, or entanglement of ROBOTS are not in the spirit of the FIRST Robotics Competition and are not allowed.

bhweezer 02-04-2007 02:07

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
The elimination rounds at Lone Star this year were probably the best I've seen in the past couple of years. Those matches were really intense! Congrats to 118, 1745, and 476! Good luck at Nationals.

Kevin Sevcik 02-04-2007 04:11

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
I'm finally putting up the eliminations on SOAP, so people can see what happened and make informed opinions. Also, I'm offering to make my archived footage available to other teams. See this thread for details on both.

Richard Wallace 02-04-2007 09:03

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 609466)
... starting next year the LSR will be hosted at a facility called the Merrell Center. this facility is owned by Katy ISD (team 624's ISD). This is an official and final decision. It is still uncertain whether or not this will be permanant as it depends on whether or not the regional goes well.

Here is a link to a video describing the facility:

http://www.merrellcenter.org/facilities.htm

Was the Merrell Center construction completed very recently? The satellite view on Google Maps shows a construction site.

CyberWolf_22 02-04-2007 09:07

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Where will the pits be located at this new venue? Will they be on the main floor blocked off by a curtain or will they be in a separate room?

This looks like a nice venue for the regional. I am a little said because I attend Rice University which is just up the Metro Rail from Reliant Arena. It was really nice this year to be able to just hope on and go back and forth from Lone Star.

Kymber 02-04-2007 12:59

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 609466)
Everyone intending on attending the LSR next year listen up to this post.

starting next year the LSR will be hosted at a facility called the Merrell Center. this facility is owned by Katy ISD (team 624's ISD). This is an official and final decision. It is still uncertain whether or not this will be permanant as it depends on whether or not the regional goes well.

Here is a link to a video describing the facility:

http://www.merrellcenter.org/facilities.htm

Thank you to Reliant Arena for all their years of support.

Yes we are working with the Merrell Center to host the 2008 regional there nothing is finalized at this point and until we have a contract this is not official, but this is a ONE YEAR ONLY thing, we WILL be returning to Reliant in 2009. We had to find another venue for 2008 because Reliant will be hosting the Sweet Sixteen that year. We have an amazing venue with Reliant and they go out of their way to help us make this a great event for all the teams that attend. This year not only did they open up Hall D to us so that the teams could eat inside without having to sit in the rain, they also brought chairs down without us asking and at no cost to us. It is this type of consideration and the ablility to grow at this venue that keeps our regional at Reliant.
Until we have a contract there will be no decisions made on pit and field layouts so any thing that is said by anyone other than a regional or assistant regional director for Lone Star is not accurate information. We will inform the teams that are attending of all the information they will need as soon as we have details but as of right now nothing is set in stone.

Danny Diaz 02-04-2007 14:11

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 608464)
I recall a partial list:
Sportsmanship - 57
Engineering Inspiration - 118
Chairman's - 922
Industrial Design - 148
Motorola Quality - 476
Team Spirit - 462
Safety - 476

Innovation in Control - 418

-Danny

ChuckDickerson 02-04-2007 14:24

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
The match results, final standings, and awards are now available on the FIRST website for Lonestar!

I noticed a new "Gracious Professionalism Award" for Lonestar. What's the story? I don't remember this before nor do I see it for any other regional this year. It sounds like a good idea though. Was this something special just for Lonestar? What outstanding GP did 57, 434, and 846 show? Sounds like the making of a great new award for next year!

Congrats to all the award winning teams!

ChuckDickerson 02-04-2007 14:28

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymber (Post 609631)
Yes we are working with the Merrell Center to host the 2008 regional there nothing is finalized at this point and until we have a contract this is not official, but this is a ONE YEAR ONLY thing, we WILL be returning to Reliant in 2009. We had to find another venue for 2008 because Reliant will be hosting the Sweet Sixteen that year. We have an amazing venue with Reliant and they go out of their way to help us make this a great event for all the teams that attend. This year not only did they open up Hall D to us so that the teams could eat inside without having to sit in the rain, they also brought chairs down without us asking and at no cost to us. It is this type of consideration and the ablility to grow at this venue that keeps our regional at Reliant.
Until we have a contract there will be no decisions made on pit and field layouts so any thing that is said by anyone other than a regional or assistant regional director for Lone Star is not accurate information. We will inform the teams that are attending of all the information they will need as soon as we have details but as of right now nothing is set in stone.

Kymber, I know nothing about the new Merrell Center but the good ol' Reliant Center is hard to beat. I wonder though, when Lonestar returns to the Reliant in 2009 could it be a two field super-regional? It sure seems like Lonestar and the Reliant Center could handle it. Could it be???? Me hopes!

Zoheb N 02-04-2007 14:35

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 609703)
The match results, final standings, and awards are now available on the FIRST website for Lonestar!

I noticed a new "Gracious Professionalism Award" for Lonestar. What's the story? I don't remember this before nor do I see it for any other regional this year. It sounds like a good idea though. Was this something special just for Lonestar? What outstanding GP did 57, 434, and 846 show? Sounds like the making of a great new award for next year!

Congrats to all the award winning teams!

Yes the Gracious Professionalism Award is a unique award that was started at the Lonestar regional. I do not remember why each of the teams one, but I do remember when the announced Team 57's they mentioned that they helped translate for the Brazilian Team 1772

Kymber 02-04-2007 15:45

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 609703)
The match results, final standings, and awards are now available on the FIRST website for Lonestar!

I noticed a new "Gracious Professionalism Award" for Lonestar. What's the story? I don't remember this before nor do I see it for any other regional this year. It sounds like a good idea though. Was this something special just for Lonestar? What outstanding GP did 57, 434, and 846 show? Sounds like the making of a great new award for next year!

Congrats to all the award winning teams!

This is an award that BP sponsors for the Lone Star regional, we went to our judges and asked them what they felt wasn't really covered by the awards. They told us we really needed an award to recognize the teams that exhibit outstanding gracious professionalism, they said that we teach and encourage gracious professionalism but there really wasn't an award to recognize those teams that took it to heart. Team 57 not only translated for Brazil, Team 1772, they provided transportation to and from their hotel as well as meals during their stay. As for Teams 434 and 846 I am not positive what exactly was said about those teams, I was having to run around and deal with things for the regional so I missed most of the awards ceremonies. I do know that 846 really seemed to be one of the favorite teams among the other teams, I heard quite the roar from the field when they won the BP Gracious Professionalism award Saturday.

Kymber 02-04-2007 15:50

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 609708)
Kymber, I know nothing about the new Merrell Center but the good ol' Reliant Center is hard to beat. I wonder though, when Lonestar returns to the Reliant in 2009 could it be a two field super-regional? It sure seems like Lonestar and the Reliant Center could handle it. Could it be???? Me hopes!

Reliant is absolutely capable of handling a super regional and the Lone Star Committee is more than ready to turn Lone Star into a super regional. Now here's the but, to have a super regional you have to have 80 teams. We had 52 teams this year so we know that with all our Lone Star teams out there recruiting teams and helping them find funding we could achieve super regional status. As of right now we are not planning a super regional but if our teams pull together and recruit enough teams I'm sure we could have a super regional in the not too distant future.

Kymber 02-04-2007 17:19

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by njamietech (Post 609856)
I don't know how big the field for next year is going to be. but if the merrell center deal comes through i can tell you that the floor space is that of a high school basket ball court plus there are retractable stands that make it even bigger than that

also i got some questions regarding the merrell center's basic floor plan so i attached some files that contain the floor plan located below. I don't really know the dimensions of a high school basketball court in relation to the first fields so I can't really judge the possibilty of a super regional but mabey you can.

Attachment 5385

Attachment 5386


This venue is not large enough to accomodate a super regional nor are we ready for a super regional. We are REQUIRED to have 80 teams for a super regional and we will only be accomodating 45-50 teams maximum at this venue. This venue will NOT accomodate 80 teams and 2 fields. Once we return to Reliant in 2009 if everything comes together just perfectly, the committee has been able to raise the funds, and teams have recruited enough teams that we have 80 teams then we MIGHT have a super regional. This is a big job and will require everyone to work together and get the word about FIRST out.

ChuckDickerson 02-04-2007 17:44

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Kymber, this sounds encouraging that Lonestar might one day be a super regional. I know the Reliant Center can handle it if another section were opened up for a larger pit area. Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't the number of teams at a regional more of a limit imposed by FIRST rather than how many the regional can get to attend? I have always thought that FIRST specified a number of available slots and that was it. At least the FIRST regional registration webpage makes it appear that way to me. X number of slots - Y number of teams signed up = Z number of open slots. I would think that since there were 13 new rookie teams at Bayou this year just from Mississippi and Louisiana that by 2009 it would be very possible to make 80 teams at Lonestar. Lonestar is a great regional and since it is usually the last weekend I would think many teams would love to make it their 2nd or 3rd regional if FIRST would open up the slots. I can honestly see it happening and hope it does!

Kymber 02-04-2007 18:13

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 609900)
Kymber, this sounds encouraging that Lonestar might one day be a super regional. I know the Reliant Center can handle it if another section were opened up for a larger pit area. Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't the number of teams at a regional more of a limit imposed by FIRST rather than how many the regional can get to attend? I have always thought that FIRST specified a number of available slots and that was it. At least the FIRST regional registration webpage makes it appear that way to me. X number of slots - Y number of teams signed up = Z number of open slots. I would think that since there were 13 new rookie teams at Bayou this year just from Mississippi and Louisiana that by 2009 it would be very possible to make 80 teams at Lonestar. Lonestar is a great regional and since it is usually the last weekend I would think many teams would love to make it their 2nd or 3rd regional if FIRST would open up the slots. I can honestly see it happening and hope it does!

Actually the limit on many teams a regional can have register is set according to how many teams the venue can accomodate. We will have to expand the pit area but we do have the ability to do that.

SnareDrummer37 03-04-2007 18:59

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Diaz (Post 609696)
Innovation in Control - 418

-Danny

Well, I guess it won't quote a quote within a quote...

But... Judges' Award- 16

TubaMorg 03-04-2007 19:05

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Hey does anyone have video of qualifying matches at the LSR? I don't know the match number but I would like these ones:

9:50 AM (Red 441 1561 1859) (Blue 16 1867 1480)

and

10:38 AM (Red 1772 16 653) (Blue 1867 1480 231)

Kevin Sevcik 03-04-2007 19:30

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TubaMorg (Post 610748)
Hey does anyone have video of qualifying matches at the LSR? I don't know the match number but I would like these ones:

9:50 AM (Red 441 1561 1859) (Blue 16 1867 1480)

and

10:38 AM (Red 1772 16 653) (Blue 1867 1480 231)

I'm working on this. Parsing the matches out is a slightly tedious* process for me, and I have a lot of paper grading to catch up with before professors kill me. Expect them to start going up tomorrow afternoon/evening if my profs haven't caught me and nailed me to a desk by then.

*Only because I'm so picky. I'm re-encoding the elims I posted to SOAP earlier. I've got a better solution for removing interlacing now, and the team numbers are actually legible.

JaneYoung 03-04-2007 19:32

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 610768)
I'm working on this.

Kevin, thank you for doing this...it is much appreciated. Here's hoping that you are not nailed to a desk. :)

Kevin Sevcik 03-04-2007 21:18

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
While I'm at it, I'd like to ask my customers' opinions on this encoding change I'm making. I'm uploading one of the newly encoded quarterfinals videos. It will be called tx_qf1m1alt.wmv. If you guys could compare it to the original tx_qf1m1.wmv file and PM me your preference, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to make sure I'm not making things worse. For those that have forgotten: SOAP Lone Star Archives

Encoding differences:
Original
Uses drop field deinterlacing. Moving objects have crisp borders, but we're basically dumping half the resolution by dropping every other line. Thus the blurry letters.

Alt
Uses blend deinterlacing. Moving objects have blurry borders. Interlaced fields are blended together preserving info and keeping detail in stationary objects, like the text.

Basically, I'm looking for if the motion blur is distracting or troublesome. looking around 1:45 in the vids is a good example.

Kevin S.

b-rant 03-04-2007 22:19

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Well we couldn't have had more fun at Lone Star. I wanna thank everyone that helped make lone star a success, and I want to thank our alliance partners for showing us a good time. I'll never forget Brazil leading our team in our cheer. Man it was fun. Congrats to 118, 1745,and 476.

MasonMM 03-04-2007 23:43

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Kevin,
Thanks for posting the videos. I found the alt version looked much better. Its much more beneficial to be able to read numbers off of the robots then to have no motion blur. Just my opinion, but regardless I'll be happy with whichever version of matches get uploaded as long as i can tell red from blue. =)

TubaMorg 04-04-2007 10:16

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Thanks a bunch Kevin! I've done enough video editing myself to know how mind numbingly tedious it can be. I'm trying to get used to some new contacts, so I can't really focus well enough to give a decent opinion on the encoding formats. So I'll go with the majority on that one.

Kevin Sevcik 04-04-2007 10:45

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
That's good enough for me. I'll swap them all out this morning and get on finishing the quals.

SnareDrummer37 04-04-2007 11:31

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TubaMorg (Post 610748)
Hey does anyone have video of qualifying matches at the LSR? I don't know the match number but I would like these ones:

9:50 AM (Red 441 1561 1859) (Blue 16 1867 1480)

and

10:38 AM (Red 1772 16 653) (Blue 1867 1480 231)

Eek. I have all of my team's matches (16) recorded... and since we just happen to be in both of those matches, I do have them. But, I follow our robot around the entire time. If you still want them, let me know... I'll try to dig them out. hah.

Tazlikesrobots 04-04-2007 19:19

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymber (Post 609631)
Yes we are working with the Merrell Center to host the 2008 regional there nothing is finalized at this point and until we have a contract this is not official, but this is a ONE YEAR ONLY thing, we WILL be returning to Reliant in 2009. We had to find another venue for 2008 because Reliant will be hosting the Sweet Sixteen that year. We have an amazing venue with Reliant and they go out of their way to help us make this a great event for all the teams that attend. This year not only did they open up Hall D to us so that the teams could eat inside without having to sit in the rain, they also brought chairs down without us asking and at no cost to us. It is this type of consideration and the ablility to grow at this venue that keeps our regional at Reliant.
Until we have a contract there will be no decisions made on pit and field layouts so any thing that is said by anyone other than a regional or assistant regional director for Lone Star is not accurate information. We will inform the teams that are attending of all the information they will need as soon as we have details but as of right now nothing is set in stone.

I love the setup at Reliant Area. It is easy to get to and from the stands and everything is very close to the venue.

TubaMorg 04-04-2007 22:43

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnareDrummer37 (Post 611384)
Eek. I have all of my team's matches (16) recorded... and since we just happen to be in both of those matches, I do have them. But, I follow our robot around the entire time. If you still want them, let me know... I'll try to dig them out. hah.

Thanks! If you find a way to post them, I would love to take a look :)

SnareDrummer37 05-04-2007 09:44

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TubaMorg (Post 612033)
Thanks! If you find a way to post them, I would love to take a look :)

Okay. I'll dig through the footage tonight and maybe I could just stick them on YouTube and send you a link or something.

Andrew Schuetze 05-04-2007 10:37

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TubaMorg (Post 610748)
Hey does anyone have video of qualifying matches at the LSR? I don't know the match number but I would like these ones:

9:50 AM (Red 441 1561 1859) (Blue 16 1867 1480)

and

10:38 AM (Red 1772 16 653) (Blue 1867 1480 231)

Kevin is just now putting up the qualifying rounds. You are looking for matches 66 & 74.

Kevin Sevcik 05-04-2007 10:49

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Schuetze (Post 612299)
Kevin is just now putting up the qualifying rounds. You are looking for matches 66 & 74.

Kevin will sadly not be getting to 66 & 74 this morning. School and all that. I should get to those tonight. The uproar for Q's was just so great I figured I should post as I get to them.

Andrew Schuetze 05-04-2007 10:59

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 612311)
Kevin will sadly not be getting to 66 & 74 this morning. School and all that. I should get to those tonight. The uproar for Q's was just so great I figured I should post as I get to them.

When I started my post I thought it was the Friday AM matches but when I saw they wanted Saturday AM matches I knew it would be at least a day before they would be up. We have all of the house feed as well except I don't have anyone with the time / energy to edit and upload. This is helping me share the robot performace with the mentors/sponsors who wanted to see the robot perform. Your work and the Soap site gives me a solid link to send them to.:yikes:

Kevin Sevcik 06-04-2007 12:05

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Okay, an update. I've got all the matches parsed and encoded or encoding. Unfortunately, SOAP has run out of quota. I'm taking down the huge awards vids since I wanted to chop those up anyways, but that'll only get me to about match 50. So y'all may have to wait until SOAP gets their hosting bumped up before you have the entire selection of matches.

TubaMorg,

If you still want those two matches, hit up my AIM around 1PM CDT or later and I'll try to send them to you that way.

Andrew Schuetze 07-04-2007 19:09

End of Season Homework
 
Just a bit of cross-posting here as there might be more traffic on this thread:D
Any and all Texas FIRST teams need to inform their State legislators about an upcoming event happening in the basement of the Capitol building. Please visit this post to learn more:yikes:
Texas Robot Exposition in the Capitol Building April 23rd - 27th.

Tonya Scott 476 08-04-2007 22:20

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Where are the awards videos posted? I think I read somewhere in this thread about that---but I can't find that information now that I am specifically looking for it.

Lone Star Rocked the House!

Kevin Sevcik 08-04-2007 22:25

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Tonya,

I've temporarily taken down the awards videos from SOAP. SOAP ran out of quota on their server, and teams were asking for qualifying matches. I'll repost the awards individually shortly after SOAP increases their quota and has room. As always, I have all this footage available at higher quality than on SOAP and would be more than willing to provide it to interested teams for the low, low price of enough DVD-Rs to burn the videos to and a self-addressed, stamped CD mailer. Interested teams can PM me for details and to make arrangements.

newton418 16-04-2007 17:10

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavan (Post 547420)
YAY lol. You can expect some good competition from 118 and 418. We going to have a rematch of last year in the finals hopefully. }=) !!

Pavan.

Ha, I just rememberd this post. I guess you got your wish, though we met in the semis. What an amazing series of matches, and congrats on the win. With matches as exciting and competitive as those were, I already can't wait for next year, though I'll have to come as an alum.

Pjohn1959 23-04-2007 12:07

Re: 2007 Lone Star Regional
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 614605)
Tonya,

I've temporarily taken down the awards videos from SOAP. SOAP ran out of quota on their server, and teams were asking for qualifying matches. I'll repost the awards individually shortly after SOAP increases their quota and has room. As always, I have all this footage available at higher quality than on SOAP and would be more than willing to provide it to interested teams for the low, low price of enough DVD-Rs to burn the videos to and a self-addressed, stamped CD mailer. Interested teams can PM me for details and to make arrangements.

Kevin,
I appreciate all the hard work that you have done editing the vids from Lone Star. They are great!! You included the final score after each match. That's impressive. You stopped at qualifying match 46. Is there any chance to complete the rest of the matches?

Thanks


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