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Which Sponsor has the Most Successful teams?
Karthik and I were having a discussion over which sponsor fields the most succussful teams perennially. It basically came down to 4 major sponsors with real claims for it.
GM: 65, 66, 67, 68, 1114, 1503 (70 and 494 are also sponsored by Chrysler, so we decided to leave them out) NASA (only "NASA Base" teams, including all NASA grant teams would be unfair): 116, 118, 122, 233, 254, 330, 364, 368 Delphi: 45, 47, 48, 703, 868 UTC: 173-180 Which do you think can field the strongest line up? Note: I said "most successful" not "best" for those of you who don't like to label FIRST teams as the "best". |
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Don't forget 64 under GM teams.
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Rolls-Royce has had some pretty successful teams. Most of them may not be so nationally known or are a "big name teams", but their stats speak for themselves. (This is just purely based on wins/awards.)
(note: Rolls-Royce currently sponsors 8 teams within the Indianapolis metro area, with a possibility of some more for 2007) 234 Awards Won: 2006 CMP KPC&B Entrepreunership 2006 MI Website Award 2006 AZ Imagery 2006 AZ KPC&B Entrepreunership 2006 AZ Website Award 2006 AZ Woodie Flowers Regional Award (Chris Fultz) 2005 FL Woodie Flowers Regional Award (Scott Ritchie) 2005 FL KPC&B Entrepreunership 2005 IN J&J Sportsmanship 2004 AZ KPC&B Entrepreunership 2004 IL Regional Chairman's Award 2004 AZ Website Design Award 2003 AZ Regional Chairman's Award 2003 AZ Website Design Award 2003 VA Website Design Award 2001 FL Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology" 2001 IL Judge's Award 2001 IL Regional Champion 2001 NAT Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology" 393 Awards Won: 2006 PIT GM Industrial Design 2006 PIT Regional Finalist 2005 SAC Regional Chairman's Award 2001 TX Xerox Creativity 2001 TX Finalist 829 no info available 868 Awards Won: 2006 IN Autodesk Visualization Award 2006 IN GM Industrial Design 2006 PIT Xerox Creativity 2006 PIT Autodesk Visualization Award 2005 CMP Autodesk Rising Star Visualization Award 2005 MI Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology" 2005 IN KPC&B Entrepreunership 2004 CMP Championship Finalist 2004 CMP Champion - Galileo Division 2003 MO KPC&B Entrepreunership 2003 GA GM Industrial Design 2003 CMP GM Industrial Design 1018 Awards Won: 2006 OH Regional Finalist 1024 Awards Won: 2006 IN Imagery 2006 IN Motorola Quality 2005 IN Imagery 2005 IN Regional Champion 2005 MO RadioShack Innovation in Control Award 2004 MI Regional Champion 2004 MO Imagery 2003 MO Rookie All-Star 1529 no info available 1741 Awards Won: 2006 IN Rookie Inspiration Award 2006 IN Regional Finalist |
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I mean, who can argue with this list of "Success": Awards Won: 2006 IL Regional Finalist 2006 IL Engineering Inspiration Award 2006 MO Regional Chairman's Award 2006 MO Regional Champion 2005 IL Website Award 2005 IL Motorola Quality 2005 IL Regional Champion 2005 IN GM Industrial Design 2005 IN Regional Champion 2004 CMP Championship Winner 2004 MI Woodie Flowers Regional Award 2004 MI Motorola Quality 2004 CMP Champion - Archimedes Division 2004 IL Engineering Inspiration Award 2003 MI Regional Finalist 2003 MI 2003 MI GM Industrial Design 2002 CMP Division Champion - Newton 2002 CMP Championship Winner 2002 IL Regional Champion 2002 IL Engineering Inspiration Award 2002 MI Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology" 2001 CMP #1 Seed - Newton Division 2001 IL Incredible Play of the Day 2001 IL #1 Seed 2001 IL Regional Champion 2001 MI2 GM Industrial Design 2001 MI2 Incredible Play of the Day 2001 MI2 #1 Seed 2001 MI2 Regional Champion 2001 NAT National Champions 2001 NAT Division Champion - Newton 2000 IL Xerox Creativity Award 1999 IL Regional Champion 1999 MI Regional Champion 1999 MI J&J Sportsmanship 1999 IL #1 Seed 1998 IL Xerox Creativity Award 1998 N1 Xerox Creativity Award 1997 IL Regional Champion 1997 IL #1 Seed 1997 N1 Honeywell Leadership in Control Award 1997 N1 Champions 1996 N1 #1 Seed Do any of these sponsors have 4 National Championships? (I know the GM list has at least 3) I know you guys were talking more about the multi team sponsors, but when making a list of successful sponsors, Beatty has to be included. If I were to pick from the lists you have there, I would have to say that the GM teams are the most consistently successful. - Eric |
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I could be wrong – but didn’t they have the same kind of debates on episodes of Sienfield? I seem to remember how George and Elaine would compile a list of this or that based on their informed opinions. Then Jerry would mess them up by pointing out that it depends on how they define yada-yada. And then Kramer would try to form some metrics, but would soon end up so frustrated that he’d have to do a pratfall.
Didn’t ya just love the way they’d spend the whole show talking bout stuff, but never resolving anything? [/:rolleyes:] |
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I don't think you can say anybody besides GM for this.
64 (now split to 39 and 11??): Three regional championships, two division championships, one Championship finalist, and the most awards in one season of any team in FIRST: 2005 CMP Championship Finalist 2005 CMP Champion - Galileo Division 2005 NV Imagery 2005 NV Motorola Quality 2005 NV Regional Champion 2005 NV Safety Award 2005 CO Autodesk Visualization Award 2005 CO GM Industrial Design 2005 CO Regional Finalist 2005 AZ Imagery 2005 AZ Website Award 2005 AZ Motorola Quality 2005 AZ Autodesk Visualization Award 65: Two Regional Chairman's Awards, one Chairman's Award Finalist, one Einstein championship, one Regional Champion, one Championship finalist, and four regional finalist. (And plenty of other hardware thrown in for good measure.) 66: One RCA, one Einstein championship, three Regional Championships, one division finalist, two regional finalists. 67: These folks need no introduction. Chairman's Award winners and world champions in the same year, a Woodie Flowers Award, three RCAs or Chairman's Award Finalists, one division championship (not counting the 2005 win), seven regional championships, and so many other awards that I have to scroll to see them all. 68: Two-time regional champion, four-time regional finalist, and plenty of technical awards. 1114: In just four years, they've won the Regional Chairman's Award, they're a five-time (five-time!) regional champion, a division finalist, two regional finalists, and quite a few technical awards, especially considering the challenge of trying to decide who to award the awards to in a collaborative setting. 1503: Two years into FIRST, and they're at or near the top of the field on some of the biggest stages in FIRST outside Atlanta: 2006 Greater Toronto Regional: Champion. 2006 Waterloo Regional: Champion. 2006 Great Lakes Regional: Champion. 2005 Greater Toronto Regional: Finalist. 2005 Waterloo Regional: Rookie Inspiration Award. So, to sum things up: One Chairman's Award Three Einstein Championships One Woodie Flowers Award Four Division Championships that didn't result in an Einstein championship (plus one Championship Finalist in the pre-division era) Seven Regional Chairman's Awards or Chairman's Award Finalists (which, by my understanding, is functionally similar) TWENTY-FOUR Regional Championships If that's not dominance, I don't know what is. |
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Granted, but let's look at the NASA teams:
116: No Chairman's or Regional Championships to date 2 WFFAs 5 (Consecutive) Regional AVAs, most of any team in FIRST 118: 2x Regional Champs 3x Regional Finalist 2002 Archimedes Champ 2x Regional CA 2005 CMP Chairman's honorable mention 1 WFFA Numerous other awards 122: 3x Regional Champ 2x Regional FInalist 2001 Galileo Champ 2006 Newton Finalist Numerous other awards 233: 4x Reginal Champ 4x Regional Finalist 2006 Archimedes Finalist 2002 Archimedes CHamp 2x Regional Chairman's Numerous other awards 254: 12x (yes 12x) Regional Champ Has won EVERY SINGLE SVR 2x Regional Finalist 2x Championship Finalist 2004 CMP Chairman's Award 2x Regional CA Numerous other awards 330: 4x Regional Champ 4x Regional Finalist 2x Regional CA 2005 CMP Champs (Alliance Captain) Numerous other awards 364: 2x Regional Champ 1x Regional Finalist Numerous other awards 368: 1x Regional Champ 4x Regional Finalist 1x Regional CA Numerous other awards ONE Chairman's Award Winner ONE Einstein Championship FIVE Division Champions (not countin 330's 2005 CMP win) NINE Regional Chairman's Awards Twenty Eight Regional Championships Twenty Regional Finalists |
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Not bad, but also note that NASA's got an extra team on their side (eight to GM's seven).
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I normally don't get involved in these types of discussions, but Motorola should be included in that list. They are a long time national sponsor, having had several teams over their many years of participation and continue to sponsor teams in Chicago, PA and Florida. Can't speak to Dillard's SigmaCat history (with any accuracy) but to Wildstang, we have placed high in the Championship by going to at least divisional finals for the past 11 years, winning in 2003 and being awarded the Chairman's in 2006. Sigmacats' SOAP is one of the longest and most successful scouting programs in this organization and they continue to provide archival video and match lists for all participants as well as fielding some incredible robots and robot innovations. All of this while continuing to support FLL in Illinois (I believe the largest registration on the planet) and backing the state FLL competition.
Checkout our homepage for history. |
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I think so far this thread is lost in deep weeds.
The most successful FIRST sponsor would be the one that put the most HS students into science and engineering programs at colleges and universities. Four years from now a FIRST trophy will be worth about $12 on ebay. A four year engineering or science degree will have a life-time salary value starting around $2M, way more if you branch out and run your own business. And the contributions to our society and the future of humanity are going to come from people with the best education and the best motivation. Which sponsor has worked toward the goals of FIRST with the most success? Beats me! |
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64 split into 39 and 1018.
NASA grants aside, who sponsors the most teams? |
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Team 64 the Gila Monsters split into team 39 and team 1013 acording to this thread http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...=GIla+Monsters
Second if you want to look at it, UTC and GM are the only two that can hold the crown. 201 is another GM team that has been very successful, with a trip to Einstein this year. UTC is probably the most underated though. 173,174,175,176,177,179,and 180 are among the best in FIRST year in and year out. This year they had 6 regional victories. There seems to be a correlation between UTC teams and GM teams. This year 494 won Buckeye with 174, last year we partnered with 179 at championship, 173 picked 66 another GM team when they won the championship and this year 177 rounded out their Galileo winning aliance with team 201. I just thought that was weird |
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I'm going to pull an Andy Grady here and bring up a great team of the past: What about the Pilgrim Nuclear Technology Alliance, sponsor of the retired team 23? They were active for five seasons, and brought home a Chairman's Award, two CA finalists, a Championship Rookie All-Star (basically bringing home some form of top-level recognition every year but their last, at which point they'd already won Chairman's), and a Woodie Flowers Award to boot. That's nothing to sneeze at. |
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While I find it interesting that you bring up the UTC block as I like to call it, you are missing team 181 in there, and also a lot of UTC teams that have been up and coming in recent years, although haven't neccessarily gained as much attention. I must say though that you really can't judge a program based off of sponsors, as some teams only get money from a sponsor, and others get an engineering support staff devoted to the program. Also to single out any one sponsor in FIRST as being most successful based on wins is foolish as most wins in a competition are based a lot on luck, and a lot on strategy. I agree with Ken, as well as that I feel that any sponsor of any FIRST team deserves recognition because they realize what an amazing program FIRST is. |
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I could be wrong but isn't 179 a UTC team also ?
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So, my team may not have been the top team (I've been on since fall of '04), but I still received a great education and experience in engineering that showed me what I can and want to do with my life; It then gave me the tools and opportunities to do so. |
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Looking up north, the Toronto District School Board and the efforts of Mr. Mark Breadner, a UFh and company cannot be overlooked. I am not sure of any other school board in any other region that has given support to as many teams as the TDSB. From my days as a student, I had heard that they paid for every team's initial entry fee into what was then the Canadian Regional. They have positions and chairs within their organization dedicated to FIRST and continue to actively support it with intiatives like the Innovation fund. If someone with a bit more information could clarify their exact position in relation to how teams operate and their expenses that would be great. I just know that everytime I walk into a Canadian regional, over 90% of the teams that are there have a TDSB and the familiar half apple logo attached to their robot.
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BTW, remember I am not a Motorola employee. |
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If you're going to say that one sponsor has x teams, and the other has more, and therefore the one with x teams has more awards per team, then beatty definitely takes the cake, even though they sponsor one team.
i would venture to say, however, that the company that gives the most to teams/FIRST is the real winner. |
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Just because someone did it for GM and NASA, I'll do it for the UTC block.
173-2 Regional Championships, 3 Regional Finalist, 1 Division championship that didn't win Einstein, 1 Einstein championship 174-1 regional championship 175-6 regional championships, 4 regional finalist, 3 division championships that didn't win Einstein, 3 National chairman’s award finalist, 1 regional chairman’s award, 1 championship chairman's award 176-2 regional championships, 2 regional finalist (by the way, 1st left BAE 2006 off their list for 176), 2 division finalist, 1 national championship, 1 regional engineering inspiration 177-4 regional championships, 1 regional finalist, 2 Division championships that didn't win Einstein, 1 division finalist 178-2 regional Engineering inspiration awards 179-2 regional championships, 1 division finalist 180-2 regional championships, 1 Championship finalist, 1 division finalist 181-2 regional finalist, 1 Engineering inspiration So, 21 Regional Championships 10 Regional Finalists 6 Division Championships 5 Division Finalists 1 National Finalist 2 National/World Championships 4 Regional Engineering Inspiration awards 1 Regional Chairman's Award 3 Championship Chairman's Finalist 1 National Chairman's Award I'm still a Scouting Nerd at heart! I love data! :D Not that there aren't other UTC sponsored teams outside of the block, there are many. I have a list. |
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Just a thought reading this, but has anyone ever thought about how the college sponsored teams do against the corporate sponsored teams???
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The Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation (based in Kansas City) currently sponsors 47 FRC teams. |
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Team 179 - United Technologies/EDF/Pratt & Whitney & Inlet Grove High School & Suncoast High School |
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I know this wasnt one of the choices but Xerox because of the teams they support and just the extent they support FIRST in general! X-RoX!!!
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I'm not sure how you would really fairly measure this since there are so many ways to have a successful team in FIRST.
But I can tell you that for the 2006 season, the most successful starter of new teams is NASA. Of the 35 rookie teams that went to Championship this year, 19 of them include NASA in their name as sponsor. Ewing Marion Kauffman sponsored 3 of the rookies at Championship. This is impressive considering this was the first year of their grant awards and they are very regional in their distribution of grants. Diamler Chrysler and ITT each were sponsors of two of the rookie teams. |
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