2007 St. Louis Regional
 

Registration for the 2007 St. Louis Regional is approaching 60% of capacity (25/42), with seven eight states represented as of this evening. Breakdown is as follows: 10 teams from the immediate St. Louis area, 6 from the Kansas City area, 4 from Indiana, 2 from Iowa, and one each from Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Mississippi. So far there are six rookie teams registered.

Based on strong past performance, I'll go out on a limb and predict at least one Indiana team in the 2007 winning alliance.

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You can count on another from Indiana signing up, as a second regional. The TechnoKats attended back in 2003 and it's time to go again.

Never been up in the Arch,
Andy B.

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Andy, I'll make it a priority to see that you get to the Arch. As an engineer you might actually prefer the movie on how it was constructed, shown several times a day in one of two theatres located in the museum under the base, to the somewhat claustrophobic elevator ride that gets you to the top. The views from up there are nice, though.

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It sways - the best part is put your back up against it at the base and then look up. That is fun.

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The Rat Pack is looking at a trip to St. Louis this year. We want to do a Week 1 event, and we've heard nothing but good things about this regional. So, hopefully we'll add Michigan to your list of states...

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We plan on signing up once we can as our 2nd regional. Hopes its as fun as its been the past 2 years.

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As soon as we get it togeather, the MASMabots will be joining in!

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Rumor as it that the ThunderChickens will be at St. Louis this year (we like following the teknokitties around) .....

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Egad! :eek: Thunderchickens!

Last year the Bomb Squad and the Beast, this year the T-Kats and Thunderchickens!

The rafters will resound, the floor will shake! (Really, it will; it's on plastic tiles over an ice hockey rink!)

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Unfortunately the Robot Rams will not be attending the competition this year. All of our mentors left to teach at other schools and we have not found anyone who will be a mentor and get the team going this year. Hopefully we will be back next year.
Amanda

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Amanda,

Hopefully we can work something out with Spartan Robotics (2014) so you can continue in FIRST. We could use your experience, and "What?!?" says Hi.

Hieb

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Just saw the note that FIRST will no longer be involved with the hotel recommendations. River City Robots (the Channel Cats FRC team 1094) is based in St. Charles County and would be happy to give you ideas of where to stay. The other St. Charles County teams are team 1288 and team 1706. Going out a limb, I would say they would be happy to assist as well.

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What's this? A robotics POKE WAR? :D Sounds like a good reason to pool $500 for a hotel in St. Louis, other than watching the Cardinals and Mets plodding around like they're the evil Yanks.

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Nobody is as evil as the Yanks. Let's suspend discussion of the Cards and Mets for the next four hours or so. :) (I'll be offline, glued to my TV, until Game 5 is over. StL is a baseball town...)

But if you're serious about coming to STL March 1-3, let me know and we'll get you signed up as a volunteer. Go for field reset, and you'll get to see the action up close.

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I am pumped about this one! It will be realllllllly fun!

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This is gonna be interesting, The usually very aggressive defense i've experienced the last 2 years and several more offensive teams (217.45) this should make an amazing regional. see all of you there

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Two more states are now represented:

939 Sisseton, South Dakota (formerly known as Hiphopanonymous) STL 2005 Champs and participants at STL every year since 2002, and

1472 Baton Rouge, Louisiana, a fourth year team coming to STL for their first time.

So we're up to ten states so far. I'm guessing, in about a week, Michigan will make it eleven.

14 out of 42 published spaces are still available, with six days until 2nd regional registration opens.

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With one day of 2nd regional registration nearly complete, the 2007 St. Louis state-count is up to 13 including pending registrations of teams from Michigan, Wisconsin, and New York!

And it is looking like a full-scale Hoosier invasion, with EIGHT teams from Indiana now registered or pending. :)

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YESSS were in and comin back for our third year and this is gonna be interesting a normally very defensive regional with the world champion coming in and the technokats geez

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All five of the Week 1 regionals are now booked to their published capacity, assuming that the pending teams confirm. So it looks like there will be at least 242 teams competing in the five Week 1 events.

Several of the teams that will be competing at St. Louis have demonstrated in past games that they can rack up the points. (1625 should be mentioned in that group. ;) ) I think Gear is right -- we are in for some interesting competition.

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So as the MASMabots don't exist yet... but we are working on it... how does one go about "holding" a position at the regional?

Oh, and a little birdie told me that WildStang was gonna be there too... hehehehehe, we get to try to beat them, hehehehehehe

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The following statement appears on this page of the FIRST website:

"In most cases, FIRST has reserved extra capacity for rookie teams. If you are a rookie team and would like to get into a full event, be sure to join the waiting list for the event."

As for Wildstang, I'd love to see 111 in St. Louis, and so would a lot of folks. :) But since they've already registered for Midwest (Week 3), Western Michigan (Week 5), and the Championship, I guess their season is pretty full as it stands. Students, teachers, parents, and mentors can only take so much time away from school and work in one season.

Then again, there were a few teams (four, if I recall correctly) that participated in four FRC events last year ...

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Team 1250 from Dearborn, MI will be at the St. Louis Regional this year. We are all exciting to come and compete against some of the best Mid-Western teams in all of FIRST. Well we will see all of you on March 1st, and good luck to everyone in the upcoming season.

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We read in many threads that this or that regional has a strong field, great offensive teams, long history, etc.

I thought it would be fun to analyze the strength of the 2007 STL field using two easily available metrics for each participating team:
(1) experience measured in previous FRC events, and
(2) awards won as listed on the FRC website.

Clearly we will have some very experienced teams that have won many awards. We will also have seven rookie teams. So what do the averages look like?

Including the whole 2007 STL field, the average team experience is 6 FRC events and the average team has previously won 4.6 awards.

How much are these averages influenced by the top teams and rookies? Re-computing without 45, 217, and the rookies, the average team experience is still 6 FRC events and the average team has won 4 awards.

I don't know how these averages compare to those for other regionals, and I'll leave that calculation as an exercise for anyone who is interested. The 2007 STL averages look very strong to me.

And oh, yeah, the 2007 STL field also includes ten teams that have previously been regional winners, six that have previously won regional chairman's awards, and six with at least one mentor who has previously been a regional Woodie Flowers Award finalist.

All things considered, 2007 STL is a very strong field of teams. :)

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While it's great to see a number of powerhouse teams making their way to St. Louis this year, on a personal note I'll miss the Bomb Squad, team 16. In my first FIRST event 3 years ago they were the first team stop by our pit and welcome us. They fully embodied gracious professionalism, and got our team off to a great start with a first round victory. Of course, they followed up by thoroughly defeating us in the next 2 rounds, but that's beside the point. :)
So good luck Bomb Squad in Kansas City, we'll miss you.

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395 is looking forward to making the trip out to the Gateway City this year, it should be an exciting regional.

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Yay!!!! I have compleated the first step in starting MY OWN FIRST team!!! Now we just have to find that $6k Hum...

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The truly awesome field for St. Louis looks this way, with registration closed and a couple of days to go before initial event payment deadline:

Sixteen St. Louis area teams, including three St. Louis area rookies:
931, 1094, 1098, 1178, 1182, 1208, 1288, 1315, 1329, 1444, 1451, 1658, 1706, 1985, 2014, 2219

Seven Kansas City area teams, including three Kansas City area rookies:
1723, 1752, 1769, 1939, 1986, 2011, 2109

Five returning St. Louis Regional veterans (three or more previous appearances):
525 (IA), 547 (TN), 939 (SD), 967 (IA), 1625 (IL)

Nine veterans with less than three previous St. Louis Regional appearances:
45 (IN), 148 (TX), 217 (MI), 292 (IN), 461 (IN), 829 (IN), 1472 (LA), 1602 (MI), 1646 (IN)

And three more out-of-area rookies:
2133 (TN), 2167 (MO), 2177 (MN)

As usual, watch out for the rookies -- they can and will surprise the unwary. ;)

So we will have IA, IL, IN, LA, MI, MO, MN, KS, SD, TN, and TX represented at St. Louis this year -- eleven states! :)

Caveat: Things can still change a little, registration rules being what they are.

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Make that ten, with the addition of 1250, so now there are three MI teams in the 41 team field. And one team still pending; wonder who they are?:confused:

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1747 is the team that is pending

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Cool!:cool:

I was hoping all three of the Purdue FIRST teams would come to St. Louis.:)

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1747 isn't on the list yet, but I know I'm looking forward to heading west this year!

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Looks like some capacity has opened up for St. Louis:

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Is anyone going to be volunteering to set up a regional-wide scouting system?

I will as long as my programmers can figure it out!!!

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Add one team from MD (888) currently pending with Chesapeake/Pitt Finals and a Western Michigan winner under its belt.

So its Roboiators follow Kats follow Chickens follow everyone else in the regional (however way you want to order it).

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And the Rat Pack now appears on the list of confirmed teams for St. Louis, bringing the number of MI teams to three (217, 830, 1602). With three teams still pending. I think 1747 is one of them, and I've also heard that two more rookie teams from the STL area are being formed.

This is shaping up to be a very interesting field.

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humm.... is there usually wireless internet at the regional in St. louis???
it would be awsome if there where... Make networking a lot easyer... and make the php based scouting database worthwhile!!! is there internet avalable?

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In the past there has been no wireless available -- we are working to change that. Stay tuned.

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Awesome. If anything, it might be possible to set up a mobile server and just have a little 802.11g wi-fi network going on for the database. This is going to be awesome if we can get it all together.

See, last year at Midwest regional, the team right across from my team's pit had pictures of the robots that where going to be in each of the round robin matches, and a bunch of statistics for each robot, all on an excel spreadsheet. It was pretty sweet. Then my dad started to tell people about how they did this scouting system, and soon it grew into an NFL worthy database and such (in other words the tail got taller and taller each time he told it). So yah, that's mainly why I'm interested in doing it. Other than the fact that as driver of the robot last year, I had a vested interest in intelligence on the next match!!!

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Warren Robotics Team #829 "The Digital Goats" from Warren Central HS/Walker Career Center will be attending the St. Louis Regional.

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Digital Goats? Sounds interesting..
We did have a 'killer rabbit' at the competition last year..

DeAnna

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Anybody got any recommendations on where to stay? (Or have any extra space??)

I'm coming up to referee from TN I'll be coming in late thurs staying thru sat nights. What hotel(s) is everyone going to be at?

-Sarah

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Here is an idea we will be trying out this year:The excerpt above is from an email that was sent to each of the main contact people for teams attending the 2007 St. Louis Regional. If your team is going to St. Louis and your main contact hasn't received the message, please PM me. We really want to make it easy for visitors to find the teams that they support.

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What teams from the STL regional are going to have ramps/lifters? We are on team 1288. I am wondering if there are going to be a ton of these, because really there only needs to be a 1/3 of them if they can pick up 2 at a time.

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I'm very excited to be coming to St. Louis this year for the first time. I've only heard good things, so I'm pumped.

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2167 has all the parts ordered for raps enough to lift two 'bots. 18 degree angle too.

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Check us out, still some work to do. Wish we had a few extra days, but who doesn't.

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That looks eerily familiar..

I found a similar looking robot drawing on CD the week after kickoff and several since then.

Good luck to all!

DeAnna

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So where is everyone else's pictures of their bots?

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=pUEmt91ZDGs

Short and sweet, as requested :)

DeAnna

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See attachment.

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1208 robot a week and a half ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asHXq1-BpRM

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1747 is ready for St. Louis

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27138

That was sunday at open house.

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Here is our latest just before ship, a few changes/additions but nothing fundamentally different.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27196?

You can find more pics on our website:
www.ravenrobotics.org

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http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27151

Digital Goats new Robot Randy ready to Rack 'n' Roll

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IndySam, do you have anything you can share like how high can you score or how many bots can you hold?

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All the way if our BB holds up and two robots if the untested ramp lift works.

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heh, it looks like 2167 will be bolting the rest of their robot together during opening ceremonies! lol.
also, I will not be able to join them, as I have been kicked off the team because of grades. (i just didn't study at all and got c's on my tests). I'll show up Saturday to watch you guy's duke it out tho!

p.s. are there any rules stating that a member can show up two days late, and drive the robot?

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Here's 1625's 2007 robot in all its glory. We have bumpers for the sides and a few other things but that is pretty much it.

Picture

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Just fyi for those who will be attending the St. Louis Regional - the Working Women's Survival show is next weekend too and it's off the same exit as the St. Louis Regional: http://www.historicstcharles.com/event/Item.aspx?ID=141

On Friday it's from 11-8pm, Sat from 10-8pm. Traffic may be a problem at lunch time and leaving the Family Arena.

DeAnna

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Does anyone know if there will be a webcast available for this regional? I didn't see it on the NASA site, but sometimes events take it upon themselves to do one.

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Oh great... can't wait until Thursday! I see many good teams coming/returning to the regional. Now I just have to hope that i will be with and not against these teams.

Good luck everybody.

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Much of Team 461 is already in St. Loius. I'll be joining the rest of the team tommorow; how are the practice rounds going?

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Wow... I was going to ask for some info on 71... but then second guessed myself and decided to check and see if they were attending StL this year. And I was correct, the second time...

(For an Every Time I Die fan.... that was all SHINFO... FYI)

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how are the practice rounds going? Any news on 45, 71, 830, purdue teams or any other teams?

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Update as I know it as of about an hour ago. I got off the phone with my Mom (yes, it's a family afair) who was able to make the trip to St. Louis (I unfortunately had to stay for a few classes) she told me these things.

There were a lot of software changes this morning (I believe Firmware and radio reconfiguration to be exact) so many of the teams that had early practice rounds didn't make it out. Not many teams are able to place tubes right now (so much so that when anyone does people are cheering), two teams that I do know are able to are TechnoKats (45) and us (PantherTech, 292). Other than those two teams I don't know who else is, she didn't mention any other numbers to me just that there were a couple of teams that were able too. Autonomous is yet again a challenge this year, teams are still trying to get theirs to work without much success. The Thunderchickens are yet to be seen on the field besides their human player. Off the field, they have been seen crowded around their trailer, no word on what's going on there.

That's about all I can remember. I hope this helps, I wish we had webcast for St. Louis. Best of luck to all the teams out there, I really hope we see some good matches as the weekend progresses!

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Posting from the hotel @ St. Louis :cool: after the practice matches, it looks like the game is going to be extremely low scoring. Even in practice matches (with no defense), most games were under 60 points.

45 and 148 seemed to be really good. I saw a couple robots with fast drivetrains but nonfunctional arms yet, so tomorrow and saturday should be interesting. The main weakness seems to be teams requiring close proximity to the rack in order to score (we even got tangled up in there once or twice, haha).

best of luck to all the teams competing!

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How'd you guys do today?

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Video footage from tonight's news:
http://www.myfoxstl.com/myfox/pages/...Y&pageId=1.1.1

Another plug on another channel (the video will be taped tomorrow morning at 5am)
http://www.ksdk.com/life/programming...l/default.aspx
There was a short video clip on Channel 5 of the teams uncrating their robots today, but I couldn't find it online to link it.

There are some great bots here at the St. Louis Regional. The grasper designs are very interesting. I'm always amazed at the different ways each team created something to play the same game.

Good luck to all!

DeAnna

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Does anyone now have pics of what each robot looks like? Also, how did 461's ramps work out?

Tornado Warning Siren at St. Louis Regional
 

We started the day with a little extra excitement, when the tornado warning siren forced everyone inside in a hurry. The tornado itself didn't attend our event, although it did touch down in a nearby town. For us it was just lots of wind and some rain, and then in less than an hour things were back to normal.

We were fortunate not to have any injuries, damage, or delays due to the severe weather.

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We are Having a "meeting" for all webteam members of teams participating at the FIRST St. Louis Regional. Read more information here

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This is a post from Kyle Love.

We are having a GREAT time here in STL. The robot is performing brilliantly. The atmosphere around the event is also great. There are two really good bots really, 217 and 148. 525 has scored in automode about 2-3 times. The site is nice and clean. I definitely want to come back next year.

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Kyle, my friend, I do believe that, that's going to be kinda hard considering you're a senior. It's great to hear you guys are preforming brillantly though!

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While most rounds have been low scoring, the ThunderChickens (217) have been consistently scoring 5 or more on the top row, including a round of 7. It does look like defense is going to be important (which is good for us since we've burned up 3 of the banebots 540 motors so far and have pretty much scrapped our arm). There are some interesting ramp designs, as well, but many teams seem to be having difficulty in the endgame either deploying their ramps or getting on to other teams ramps.

Well, 3 hours to the fun begins. Good luck to all.

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Go to college in St. Louis, Kyle, and come back as a volunteer or a mentor! :cool:
(Just don't forget that you'll be a student first, and students must learn, and they are measured by their grades.)

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Wow.. 45 and 148 are going nuts!

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How is the lifting of the robots going? I've been watching the VCU regional and it is mainly scoring of tubes. Teams seem to be having problems climbing teams ramps. Are teams doing any better in St. Louis?

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Match #39 just had teams 1315, 148, 2133 scored a combined 7 on the lower racks for 128pts. The Thunder Chickens were on the other alliance and scored 2 by them selves.

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Does anyone else think this match schedule is weird!?!?

I mean, 148 goes against either 217 or 45-- everytime. It looks like the same initial block of matches being run over and over.

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I wondered if anyone has any vids that they have encoded of the heavy hitters at this regional. I love the feed so i can see what is going on, but I would love to see some of the intricacies of the teams discussed in this thread (45,217, etc, etc)

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I agree, not just for 148 but there are a few other teams out there that never get to play with any of those teams (148, 217,45), they're always against them multiple times. The randomness of the schedule didn't work out well this time around.

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148 also always has a rookie partner. Not only that, but every team with a 2 or 3 digit number always plays with 2 other 4 digit numbers. There also isn't a single match with all 6 teams being 4 digit numbers, which should happen about 10% of the time.

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From talking with some people here, I've been told that the scoring system is not working correctly for match generation. Teams complained about the match schedule but supposedly FIRST said there's nothing they can do about it.

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I hope they have fixed by next week....

or if they don't, I hope were stuck with 330:)

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Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression, Dave. What FIRST actually told me is that this is the way the algorithm is supposed to generate matches, and there is no means to vary the match-ups. So the intent seems to be that low numbered teams will alternate playing each other. I was told this is not a defect in the system; matches come out that way because that is the algorithm that FIRST specified.

Several people who have been recognized as sources of inspiration to the FIRST community have told me that this match generation system seems unfair, and I concur. I understand that these feelings will be communicated in a respectful manner to the appropriate people at FIRST, probably within the next few days.

On a related note, the scoring system worked flawlessly today at St. Louis -- no crashes, no restarts, no lost data, no delays. We finished about four minutes ahead of schedule, and the only (relatively minor) problems encountered were due to human error.

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It's the way FIRST wants it to be, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a defect in the system from the point of view of many of the veteran teams. :p
Again, it worked as designed, but one specific feature could be considered a flaw by the users even though it's exactly as FIRST specified: it takes serious intervention to correct a match score after the fact.

But there haven't been any noticeable glitches in the system. It all seems to be working exactly as FIRST wants it to, and that's good.

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It'd be interesting to know what the spec really said. I would think the intention would have been to "prefer" setting up low number teams to play each other, but I doubt that they really wanted to have the same teams play each other over and over and over.

As I see it, there's a defect here one way or another. It might be an implementation defect or it might be a requirements defect, but either way I can't see how the current situation could be considered "desired" behavior (certainly isn't to me and clearly a lot of others as well).

The other interesting thing about this is that it means FIRST is assuming that lower-numbered teams are somehow better. While there might be some truth to this when all the teams across the country are averaged, it would seem to seriously penalize low-numbered teams who aren't so good, or perhaps have had a rebirth and despite the team's overall age are basically rookies. The converse is also true for very young teams that happen to be very good (and are sometimes that way because they're essentially made up of a bunch of people from veteran teams).

Seems like this is probably a case of good intentions gone awry. Hopefully it can be fixed and we can move on.

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As I understood the explanation from the guy who designed the system, this is exactly what is supposed to happen. The alliances in a match are supposed to be closely matched in terms of total experience. So a ten year team is paired with maybe a two year team and a rookie. The average experience would then be around four years. They would wind up laying against either a similar alliance or maybe three three or four year teams. Further, the goal of the alogrithm is to have all of the matches have very similar "average ages".

This is an interesting idea and is similar to what AYSO and some other youth sports organizations do in assigning teams. They attempt to spread out the top ranked players so that the teams are close in ability.

I think the problem might be that the distribution of team ages is not uniform. There can be huge gaps that a dumb algorithm will not be able to account for. Another factor is that there is more room for adjustment when you are working with 13 or 14 individuals than when you only have three. Or they might be trying to work with too small a "window" for an acceptable match. There are a lot of ways for something like this to go wrong.

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What does everyone think: 148+217? 148+931? Who do you think will take this competition?

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can anyone give details about 217's ramp/lifter?

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Unfortunately I've yet to see it work properly. However, if they are well protected they are incredible at scoring.

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I do believe that it looks like they have "lost" their ramps. as or right now at least.

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Weight problems?

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Maybe, but as Hieb said, he hadn't seen them work yet. So your guess is as good as mine.

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Alliance selection is delayed until 12:45 due to scoring system failure. Apparently it can't calculate the rankings correctly so they're having to do them all by hand.

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Ugh... that's got to be horrible....

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Update from 217: Scrapped ramp wings 50% because they'd rather be scoring ringers than getting ramp points, 50% because of weight issues.

Look for a high scoring round from 217 and whomever picks them.

Make that 148.

Alliances:
1...0148...0217...2133
2...1444...0045...829
3...1769...1208...967
4...1723...0525...1625
5...1502...0931...1182
6...2177...1094...830
7...1178...1985...888
8...1747...0547...461

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alright for 45 and kyle....hot dog???? hahaha