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If you build your own PC, and buy your own version of windows, there is absolutely no Trial software installed. My windows installation came with movie maker, media player, media center, and for $60 I added Word, Excel, Outlook, and Powerpoint. Not to mention that I have Max and Inventor installed. The cost of my PC, which does Anything that I could want it to do , was under $600 (including office). You find me a mac with a 3.0 Ghz dual core Processor, a gig of ram, and a 256 mb video card that can do as much as my PC for less than $500, and maybe I'll switch to a mac.

Also, The reason windows is host to a slew of viruses and spyware is solely because of it's popularity. My computer also came with a firewall, so I don't have that problem. I assure you that a mac has just as many "holes" in security as a PC running Windows does, they just haven't been found yet. Give it time.

I'll give it to Mac... They do come "out of the box" with a whole lot more software than a PC with windows on it... However, I've done some research, and according to t THIS website, I have about $2,800 worth of software to add to my PC before I reach the price you would pay for an equivalent Mac. I assure you that for $2,800worth of software, my PC would be a whole lot more functional.

... And there is the thing about Microsoft pulling mac out of the gutter nine years ago :)

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Originally Posted by RoboJedi75

I think one of the major things is that Apple doesn't put a bunch of trial software on the computer. Most PC companies (especially Dell) put trial software on, which also helps offset the cost of a new computer.

That's exactly why I prefer to build. No trial software and it's just as cost-effective as buying through any of the big-name companies. In fact, depending on the provider and computer model you can sometimes make a far better computer for the same cost and not have to deal with their ads.

In response to the 2800 of software... that article was posted in September of 2004. Again, we should stick to comparing the current status of each OS.

I used to be a PC user, and a few months ago I went out and bought on of the new MacBook Pro's....I LOVE IT!!! These days I'm still running my windows box for stuff, but 80% of everything I do, I can do on my Mac...and it's 10x better, smoother, and more efficient. The cool thing about the new Mac's is that you can run windows on the hard drive as well.

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Originally Posted by GRaduns340

In response to the 2800 of software... that article was posted in September of 2004. Again, we should stick to comparing the current status of each OS.

Thanks for pointing that out :) I hadn't noticed the date. how about This one?

EDIT: This one isn't equivilent to mine either :mad: , anyone mind posting a link for a 3.0 ghz dual core mac with 1g of ram and a 256 mb vidoe card?

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Originally Posted by Cody C

Apple doesn't have any such configuration in the lineup. The iMac goes up to 2.16 GHz, while the only thing that hits 3.0 GHz is the dual-dual-core Mac Pro (which, for many tasks, is killing ants with a sledgehammer).

I would like Apple to make Mac OSX to run on any computer. I would buy a copy then. Right now I have to do that I have to use a hacked up copy of the OS which is not only illegal but a pain and it also is super buggy and supports very little hardware.

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Originally Posted by Cody C

Get it from the apple store, you can custom config to your heart's content...

Macs are definately better in my mind. This is probably becasue I do lots of video editing and video editing and other stuff like visual/audio stuff is better on the macs. I would take a mac over a pc any day!

Both Mac PCs and iPods are definitely crap-holes when it comes to audio. I know you guys say they're good for A/V, but they really aren't. sorry guys. They distort the sound so much in the lower register, people actually sell ear buds that correct for it. It's just bad...

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Originally Posted by Michael Hill

The keyword was a/v EDITING, at least from most of what I've read and understand. I agree, iPod is overhyped (thus I bought a Dell DJ instead), but as far as editing audio they are quick and efficient.

It really depends on the software you use. I use Adobe Audition, which, I'm assuming works the same on a Mac as it does on a PC. Adobe usually does that. I do agree the iPod is overhyped. I have both a Dell DJ and an iPod. I only bought the iPod because my Dell's scroll button popped off and they stopped making them; thus I was stuck with an iPod (or maybe a Creative Zen, but I hadn't heard enough about them). So ya, for audio editing, to me, they are the same.

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Originally Posted by GRaduns340

Like one of the ads I've seen said, it's really easy to upgrade a Mac. You just throw it out the window and buy a new one. I don't have that kind of $$, and it's much cheaper to just gradually replace aging hardware in a PC if you know what you're doing. Granted, if you're clueless, then you might as well but a new one anyway, but PCs are still cheaper than Mac for that.

That not true. While the Pro level macs (Powermac & Macpro) are the easiest to upgrade (and in my opinion one of the best in the industry), all the others can be upgraded as well. It is not supported, but you can do it.

On the Pro level machines, you can replace just about anything, and with ease.

On the iMac Models you can replace everything but the video card. Its just a pain to take the front cover off

On the Macbook & Macbook Pro you can only upgrade the ram and the HD. But that is standard across all PCs

On the Macmini, you can pop off the front cover with 2 putty knifes and replace the basics

I know most of you are saying that it is much harder to replace the iMac and especially the Macmini. It is, but you have to realize that the average computer user, thinks of their computer like a toaster oven. It is just a tool to get simple things done, they don't care about upgrading it.

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Originally Posted by GRaduns340

I am a programmer, and I thrive on Linux and Windows. Linux because it is ideal for an easy setup of a webserver (some packages even come with one built in), which is beneficial since I am a webmaster, and Windows because there are many easy-to-use programming environments for Windows. It's nearly impossible for someone working on Windows NOT to find a program that meets their programming desires. For a lot of projects, especially web-related ones, I'll do a lot of the code on Windows and just use Linux as a testing environment, but Macs don't seem as good at either, especially the webserver end, which I've never seen done on a Mac.

Mac OS X is a great development platform to program in. First of all you have Xcode, which the standard IDE for mac development. Plus you have all of the CHUD tools that are optimizers that you can use. The best part is that they are all free, you can download them off apple's website. It is about as good as Microsoft's visual studio which cost hundreds per license. You also have your standard java development ide's like eclipse and so forth.
Mac OS X also has apache and all of the standard web packages that go with it. You may have to edit some .conf files (like for PHP), but it is all there.

Anyways I have a been a Apple/Mac user all my life, and prefer it the most. But Linux and Windows are not that bad either. If you have worked with all 3, you will gain a better and richer experience in computers in general.

One of my main disappointments with windows, is not with windows itself, but with Microsoft's licensing. It is very confusing, sometimes misleading, and in my opinion charge too much for it. This is not just for windows too, this is all of their products like Windows, office, terminal services, IIS, MSSQL, project, visual studio, etc. For example in the upcoming version of Vista, they have 5 (or 4 I forget) versions of it just Vista for normal PCs, and several more for servers. Why? this causes confusion among customers, and creates headaches for IT people trying to fix these when there are some many versions out there . Vista in my opinion is too much money, they are asking for $200 for the home basic, all the way up to $500 for there extreme edition. Yes, there are upgrades available, but I have always had trouble with upgrades for Windows for one reason or the other. This is where the mac excels, you have one version for normal macs, and one for server, and thats it. Their prices are $129 ($65 for educational), and $199 for 5 licenses, and NO upgrades. It is simple and that is what most people like.

If you are ever in a business environment and you get Microsoft's volume licensing, it gets 10x more complex. They just have several headaches and restriction on what you can and can't do.

I just got my Dell inspiron this morning.Right out of the box i was connected to my network and I checked my E-mail, installed inventor and FEAR, and brought it to school. So it's not like you can't do ANYTHING with a PC right out of the box.

Here is the real question... Are you trying to do multiple things or just one thing? because mac is more for Photo editing or video editing or animation, while pc is more for All of the above and games and everything else.