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usually they support standard wired cards. I installed Fedora Core 6 today to see what changed still working on getting my it to accept my wireless card.

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After scanning the last couple of pages that have developed much more rapidly than the first dew I get the idea that this isn't going anywhere, but I'll put in a few more words anyway.

In my opinion the argument that Apple customer service is better is true, but that's almost unavoidable. Apple makes the majority of their own hardware and software, thus they can easily support it all relatively easily. Get any other company trying to do that and they call it a monopoly? Microsoft, which was almost entirely software, gave it a shot and they were considered a monopoly and now Apple is making practically the entire computer of their own parts, and outselling everyone with the iPod and now it's "business competition."

With PC we get a combination of hardware coming from several different companies, thrown together quickly enough to meet the constant demand, and the company that builds it can only provide moderate service. It's hard for any one company to service an entire computer when the parts came from seven different companies and who knows what software's been installed either before or after it got to the final user.

About the Apple hardware fitting in the monitor, what happens when the monitor dies? That has very little to do with any of my perspective, just a question to ask if that's why you like them.

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I've had my Power PC iMac for 2 years, and the monitor hasn't died yet, but it also has a mini DVI video output jack, just in case :p

I personally love the OS X UI and its ease of use. I've had an iMac for 2 years now and I've been more than happy with it. Although I spend almost all of my time on my mac, I will be the first to admit that Windows is a necessity (for a now at least) because of OS specific programs, like Inventor. Thats why I have a PC constantly running about 5 feet away :D

If you've never used a mac before, try it out. Don't shoot it down without a giving it a shot. (pretty punny huh?)

Mike C.

BTW: I think boot camp is awesome, and will be dual booting as soon as I get my Macbook Pro. I might even triple boot to linux as well.

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hey, no bashing just because of differing opinions!!!

pc/mac really is a personal preference, right?

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Lets start looking at the current arguments instead of just restating them.

A number of people have said that mac is better for video editing... Why?
The industry standard for video editing is "Adobe Premier Pro", and according to this Page, Mac OSX is not supported.Also, according to this page, Final Cut Pro has a cart-load of limitations as compared with Premier Pro.

As another point, I have heard mention of the fact that Mac can run both OSX and Windows... And According to this article, There is a down-side to that as-well.

As for the "Windows has inherent security flaws that Mac's stable UNIX base just doesn't have" argument, take a look at this article and tell me what you think. I believe that it shows that the above argument can henceforth be ignored.

The last Noticeable argument that I have seen is the ability to do MUCH more with a mac out of the box than with a PC, But with a day on the INTERNET and such resources as http://www.openoffice.org/ , this article, and http://www.download.com/ , A PC can be just as, if not more, functional than a Mac out of the box.

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I think everyone in this thread needs to take a step back from their computer, count to ten, and relax. We are talking (sometimes in an over-zealous manner) about the differences between one plastic and metal box with another plastic and metal box. That's all. ;)


Nothing is perfect in life, neither Windows nor Macintosh. Maybe if you're an 31337 h2x0r then Windows, or if you're really hardcore, Linux, are the operating systems for you. But if I had to recommend an OS for anyone else, I'd give them Macintosh any day.

If you love Windows, then more power to you. But I reached the end of the line with Windows, and I don't feel like laying track to continue onward. Their marketing and products have begun to come off more and more "empty", in the same sense of the "emptyness" of dot-com companies prior to the 99-00 market burst. I see smiling people in MS advertisements, but I never see what makes them so happy. I haven't been amazed by a Microsoft product since Windows XP unveiled the "Image Thumbnail" feature in Windows Explorer.

In stark contrast to this, Apple and Google have always continued to amaze me. iPod. GMail. Google Earth. Picasa. iMovie/iDVD. iLife. GMail Chat. These two companies never stop creating things that actually do something, and do it well. Both Google and Apple have found the sweet spot in application innovation, that can allow for a surprising number of advanced features to be packed into a user-friendly and intuitive environment.

Maybe I'm just not in the Microsoft demographic anymore. If so, then arguing this thread further is pointless. Trying to argue sides will not change minds, only embattle us deeper. For me, Microsoft and Windows are a lost cause. So long and thanks for all the fish. ;)

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It's humorous though, Art, that these arguments seem to pop up on a periodic basis, as if folks are trying to validate their own choices more to themselves than to the world.

[RANT ON] :mad:
Why should you care if the world thinks differently than you do? If Dean Kamen followed the crowd would FIRST even exist?

Pick the system that is right for you and don't look back. I use both systems for specific reasons, and if someone asks for an OS recommendation, I have two caveat questions I ask:

1) Do you plan to run a specific software title (to identify any OS specific need)
2) If you have trouble and you call your best friend for help, what OS system do they run (don't handcuff their friends from helping them troubleshoot a problem)

I had a frenetic father pouring out his angst back in 1999 - 2000 (during Apple's death spiral) because the school his daughter attended was still using Macs. He was so fearful that his daughter wouldn't be trained properly to join the workforce when she finally finished school. What made this so pathetic was that his daughter was only in 4th grade. I avoided the question, "So if you daughter learns to drive a Ford, she will be lost if she gets a Chevy from the rental car company?"

That's really what this argument boils down to folks: Can you adapt to something new?

If all the wasted energy directed at each other's OS were directed at the companies (MS and Apple), we would already have a true voice activated system and do away with one-button or two-button mice altogether. Instead, we let them get away with icing the cake two or three times without adding any true substance to the computing environment.
[RANT OFF]

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Seriously, if you listen to anyone with knowledge about computers, listen to Mazin. He's pretty darn amazing with computers, he has much more knowledge about them than most people here, and he's only a sophomore in high school. Rock on Eric. Also, I guess here's the thing; if you like to have a customizable machine to no end, have total control over your machine, have compatible software, but are willing to pay the price of doing work to keep your machine working, a PC is for you. If you don't have a whole lot of technical knowledge or don't care about controlling your computer, and want something that just works, get a Mac.

I think that should summarize this argument.
Windows:
Customizable to no end, supports most software, total control over system, vast knowledge base, also for people who like fixing computer problems (like me ;) ), industry standard, better networking, more software available.

Mac:
Runs usually without hitches, not so customizable, better aesthetics (though I disagree), works most of the time, very little software available.

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At work we have Macs and PCs. The university uses Macs but 2 of our attorneys prefer PCs. One of the reasons is the software that we need for some of our documents.

My G4 is easy for me to navigate and it puts out the work. (Actually, scratch that, now I have an iMac Intel Core Duo sitting on my desk. It seems really fast.)

At home we have PCs and Macs. Depending on who is on what is where I am, usually on a PC. I work at home as well and my PC puts out the work.

(I drive a Ford :D)

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I'm sorry. I was among those that helped turn this into a flame war.

But still... @Kyle Fenton

I can point out that
A) I have used Windows (since 3.1), Mac (since 9), and Linux (since Breezy).
B) I have never had to rebuild kernels. I use a CLI to run highly experimental programs (as I would hack a Mac similarly). Installing packages from a repository is easier in some cases than downloading software from the Internet.
C) Many Linux distros HAVE been ported to PPC, notably Gentoo and Ubuntu.

Now, I hope that you see I do have a reason for saying what I did, and that you refrain from calling my post a rant, and saying that I'm ignorant.

In the end, they all are nearly equal. Windows, Macintosh, and Linux all have their respective advantages and disadvantages. Certain applications (not programs) call for certain things. You will never see Mac on a wristwatch nor will you see Windows on a supercomputer.

I think this thread needs to closed if the flaming continues. And my post to be NOT deleted.


See the rest if you're still confused.

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Originally Posted by Kyle Fenton What are you talking about? Before macs went with Intel processors, they were equipped with PowerPC processors, and could only boot Mac (classic & X), and a few linux distributions (like Yellow Dog Linux).* x86 Macs uses EFI, which is the next generation of firmware which windows doesn't support (except in their 64 bit edition). What Boot Camp does is allows you to partition your hard drive, and creates a virtual BIOS, which can allow Windows to boot up on an x86 mac. Boot Camp is also very easy to use, and doesn't need you to reformat your hard drive.** Now this is just a rant. Just because you haven't used Mac OS X doesn't make it bad. That is just plain ignorance. While Linux (including) has definitely make good strides, it is still no where near the ease of use of proprietary systems. You have to realize that the majority of people don't want to use CLI's in terminals, and install packages or rebuild kernels.† Most people don't even know what that is. The reason why macs have always been associated with creative people is partly because of historic reason, and partly because of technical reasons. Historically Macs have had the third party software in the past (Photoshop, premiere, avid, etc). Technically macs have always been easier in handling media files better than windows. They also have more accurate colors pallets, better frameworks, APIs, and generally been well supported over the years. Final Cut studio is also a major reason why mac is still in the forefront of creative professionals. Yes there are always comparable programs on different OSs, but that’s not the point. The OS needs to be built so these programs can perform there best, and Apple has always put lots of effort into this.

*I know that. There were several others ported. Linus himself has been using Macs for a long time (with Linux, that is).
**Specifically, I pointed out that it's annoying to have to restart the computer every time one needs a specific program. There's also problems if Windows can't read HFS and you need a file from that partition.
†I don't build stuff myself. I just choose the pre-built packages in the repositories. I don't want to make assumptions, but I assume you haven't used Linux.

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This has got to be one of the main reasons why I like Linux so much. As far as I know, neither Windows or Apple has anything that can remotely compare to it. Let's say I want to install inkscape. I type "emerge inkscape" (on Gentoo Linux) and all the dependencies are automatically figured out, and the software is downloaded and installed automatically. I can update all the programs on my system by typing "emerge --sync" and "emerge avuD world".

If that's not simple then I don't know what is.

Now I'm not saying there aren't reasons to use other operating systems. Windows has all the high-end commercial software, and Macs (supposedly) are quite polished. In the end, you have to figure out which advantages you really want, and which disadvantages you can live with.

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First of all I would like to apologize on giving you negative rep. It wasn't really about your post, but it was because I was mad about something else that day. I just took my anger out on you. It was very immaturish.

Your original post may have been a little vague, and I might of not quite understand what you were trying to convey. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on which solution is best for them. However I do get a little irked when people I talk to are saying something that is just flat out untrue. Not you, but other people who I am trying to convince that there are alternatives to computer products. This includes linux & mac os X

Anyways I have used all 3 OS's. I do admit that I use Linux the least amount of times. But at the same time, it is very much like Mac OS X in many ways. Most of the times I use a linux machine is when I SSH into a file/web server.

Linux is not bad at all, I just would not recommend it for non-technical people. But like I said in my previous post, everyone should use all 3 OS’s, and that by using multiple OS you get a richer experience in computers in general.

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My problem is all my friends are running some kind of proprietary wetware OS, and none of them will let me see the source code. :rolleyes:

Listen folks: A computer is a tool. Like a screwdriver. You can buy a cheap screwdriver, you can buy and expensive screwdriver. Even a different brand, and they come with different tips, too. The point is, if it works well as a tool for you, it is defined as good. If it doesn't, it is defined as bad. Every person gets to define whether it works or not, and no two will agree in every case. Pick one, or the other, and be happy with it. Just because I prefer a different OS doesn't mean a thing.

The power of diversity.

Don