Re: 2006 Toronto Championships
 

The amaze award was won by Toby from Woburn. I think he was team 3341 or 3342, cant remember.

Gonna upload some vids of the event later on. DLing from disk atm.
Anyone know team 1114's weight? Especially for the arm. They must have geared down their robot drive train and arm by a huge ratio in order to have the torque to lift 6!!! balls. (almost 1kg in just balls)

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does anyone have more pictures of 1114 or any other robots at this compeition?

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On this coming Wednesday, November 29th, at 7:00 PM, look for a 6 minute spot about the Toronto FVC Championships to air on the Discover Channel Canada's "Daily Planet". Should be great!

Also, here are the full standings and alliances from the tournament. The standings are from the Team 1114 scouting database, and are not 100% verified.

Team Avg QP Avg RP Max Score
01 1114 2.0 31.3 128
02 3342 2.0 18.8 61
03 3339 2.0 18.0 95
04 1814 2.0 14.3 53
05 0610 1.5 24.5 61
06 3343 1.5 13.8 83
07 3075 1.5 12.5 94
08 3341 1.5 11.8 69
09 3059 1.5 11.0 61
10 3381 1.5 04.0 69
11 3288 1.3 13.8 128
12 1281 1.0 26.3 69
13 1305 1.0 18.3 61
14 3463 1.0 05.0 94
15 3552 0.8 00.5 2
16 1564 0.5 18.0 40
17 0907 0.5 13.5 39
18 1309 0.5 13.3 61
19 3338 0.5 08.3 27
20 3409 0.5 08.0 29
21 1219 0.5 06.5 14
22 3221 0.5 05.3 34
23 3460 0.5 00.0 15
24 3267 0.3 11.5 46
25 3335 0.3 10.0 26
26 1246 0.0 18.0 30
27 3340 0.0 16.0 47
28 3478 0.0 07.5 12

Alliances

1 1114 3075 3338
2 3342 1814 1309
3 3339 610 1246
4 3343 1281 1219
5 3341 1305 3340
6 3059 3381 3335
7 3288 3552 1564
8 3463 3409 3460

All elimination series were won 2-0

Quarterfinals
1 def 8
4 def 5
2 def 7
3 def 6

Semifinals
1 def 4
3 def 2

Finals
1 def 3

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Mmmmm... readability. The world needs more monospaced fonts.

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why does the simbotics site not work?

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http://niagarafirst.org/index.php

It worked for me

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So, the question remains, does anyone have pictures of 1114's vex bot? If they don't can someon explain to me how they managed a "triplet sucker" with Vex Legal Materials? Did they use tank treads? Also, how'd the game play out. More defensive? Was hanging important?

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They used all legal VEX parts. They could indeed pick up and deliver 6 balls. You may not see a picture of their robot until championships. Why you ask? With VEX there is nothing from stopping teams from cloning their robot. Why would they want that. Each team should design their own robots for competition. That's what FIRST is about. You have been inspired by 1114 in the past and I know that will happen again this year. Try to build a robot to compete with them not the same as them. When you succeed then it will be your work and ideas that have come to the front.

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Hey I enjoyed the Event too. Does anybody know what place 1281 Mustang robotics came in. Also does anybody have any pictures of team 1281 mustang robotics.

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Steve - That link is to the Niagra First site.

The fellow who asked why the site doesn't work may be getting the same error report as I when he clicks on the icon that takes him from the Niagra First site to the Simbotics site.

The XML page cannot be displayed
Cannot view XML input using style sheet.
Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
System does not support the specified encoding. Error processing resource 'http://simbotics.homedns.org/?p=default&skin...

Blake

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Steve, This ability to modify bots between ccompetitions (or even between matches) is one of the elephants in the corner of the FVC "room".

Would you want to ask any and everyone who has a picture of the 1114 Toronto Bot to not post it anywhere on the internet?

Would you want to ask all teams that saw the bot (and all the other bots), and are going to participate in another Championship, to not use any ideas they picked up from other teams during the Toronto Championship? Or is it OK to only use ideas from teams that didn't do as well as 1114?

In the exreme, would you want to urge teams not to look in textbooks to get ideas instead of thinking them up on their own (of course not, but I am exaggerating to make a point)?

I suspect that the Genie is out of the bottle any time a team participates in a Championship, a scrimmage, a practice, an exhibition/demo, etc.

I suggest that trying to keep 1114's Toronto bot hidden from all teams that were not at the Toronto Championship (after exposing it to all the teams and all the cameras that were there) is not going to work.

Isn't there a better alternative that involves bragging about the cleverness in the current bot and then building an even better one for 1114's next competition?

Maybe this is a topic for a new thread?

Blake

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First of all I am not on 1114 and have no say in what they say or do. I was just posting a possible reason for no pictures being posted. You seem to think that I have a problem with sharing ideas. Absolutely not!!!! This year our team is adapting a team 25 drive train idea for our robot. This however is a drive train that they have used for years and I asked if we could use the idea. In FRC there are some restraints that prevent teams from cloning other teams during competitions. These are not in effect with VEX. I have heard of reports of teams showing up at VEX championships totally changed and imitating other winning teams. Yes this is a complement but is it fair to those who came up with a great idea, worked out the problems and want to play against others with their great ideas. This is a dilemma that is hard to answer.

FIRST is a great program with many diverse thoughts and ideas. To state that either one of us is right would take away the very base that makes FIRST so good. I have found one thing though about FIRST and the rest of the world. Those that brag about their accomplishments only put themselves in bad light with everyone around. It takes away the good that could ever come from a great idea or job. I also know the great mentors and a lot of the students on 1114. They are a great bunch of people with hearts of gold. They go out of their way to help others. They are not boastful or proud. BUT they are also competitive. They like and want to win and I think that they make a great addition to FIRST because of ALL of these traits.

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I just tried the folowing link and it seems OK at this time:
http://simbotics.homedns.org/?p=defa...p;skin=default

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When I loosely used the word "brag" i meant it in the sense of "Proudly sharing", not in a "Hey look at me - I'm better than you" sense.

That is definitely going to happen and is 100% fair according to the rules.

So long as the rules remain unchanged, the only way I can think of to stay ahead of it, is to constantly improve your strategy, your mechanisms, your software, your collaboration with your allies, and your driving. Once a machine is unveiled, the FVC rules allow other teams to absorb it's design in whole or in part into their machines.

I have been assuming that team with a truly complete full-season strategy will look forward to this; and will keep one or two tricks up their sleeves that they use to sustain a winning streak, rather than showing all of their cards in their first competition.

Blake
PS: I know what I espoused above is way, way easier said than done.....

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Folks - See the new thread created by BillFred at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=50231