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I know what the number 5 means.... The number of minutes it took dave to make the picture for the clue. The picture probably has nothing to do with the game and is just something to make us all go crazy for two weeks.;) ;)

Actually. i dont know what it means yet, i have read some posts that make some sence but im not done reading through all of them yet. I'm going to think somemore, and read through the 6 more pages of posts, before i post what I think it is.

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I have no clue. All I know is that every year the riddle in the clue has confused me but this year it is the lack of confusion that confuses me.

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I just thought of another one.....what if 5 represents the fact that there are going to be 5 min matches....:ahh: talk about making sure you have plenty of batteries

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Over 200 posts based on a mere scrap of information.

"A man's life in these these parts often depends on a mere scrap of information." -- Clint Eastwood in A Fistful of Dollars

No wonder Dave has updated his team role to LMAO.

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it could possibly be a count down. 5 days till 2007Clue2.jpeg
:confused:

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I like Dan's Idea.
Also for those who are musically inclined on CD. In music the code of sharps and flats for each key is called the Circle of Fifths. Don't know what that has to do with yet, but maybe we need another clue or people to research it.

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Also, on the same idea of music. Music is written on a staff. Perhaps a pole or "staff" in the game? Or perhaps "keys"?

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ok my turn to take a stab.

-5 represents either 5 min match, 5 dimond plated plat forms, or black five is a steam locomotive.

-dimaond plate, hmmm.... black diamond? something. there is a reason it is round.

-okay my final answer "hockey"

diamond plate represents roller and roller hockey. sounds reasonable

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Tis 5 o'clock here in Connecticut, the 5th state. To note: $5 is the standard shipping at woot.com! (had to do it)

.... I always wondered who they sold all of those useless products (Leakfrog and others) to, now FIRST could be using them as game pieces.

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Some people made olympic refrences, so maybe the game will be an event from the olympics. So many possibilities...

We can probably rule some out, like javelin, rifle, syncronized swimming/diving (though that would require a lot of team work, so maybe if they felt team work was needed more, they would. Autonomis would require a lot of luck, so most teams probably wouldn't get any points).

Or maybe the Olympics refers to the method of scoring. Judges give you points based on your performance, possibly five judges, of seven and the highest and lowest scores are ignored.


Anyone else notice that Dave hasn't posted anything in this thread?

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how did you get five days

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Ahem.. with only 4 periods.
But then keeps dropping the last period at the end of the posts lately.

1 Autonomous period, 1 Red period, 1 Blue period, 1 Both perioid, 1 Autonomous period at the end.

BAM!! You have your long awaited Autonomous at the end of the match request.

Talk about an exciting finish. (or maybe it's a pipe dream.) :D

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Well, after wading through 14 pages of information wasteland, I found two, maybe three, legitimate bits of information.

1. The picture is a frame from a video. No EXIF, compressed, etc. (ArtDutra04)


2. The blue ring on the outside has gloss indicative of a torus. (Greg Needel)


3. There is an operator station on the far right of the image. (No idea. somewhere towards the end of 14 pages of boredom)



Ahh, time for assumptions!

The blue thingy, number, etc. is most likely a splash screen/transition for Dave's video. Meaning, that the five has much more to do with how the game, or maybe just Dave's video is organized. Five consecutive periods, five ways to score, five important points, whatever.

If the blue thing is in fact a torus, it would make sense that Dave would incorporate it into his animation, including his transitions. Torus may show up somewhere.


The operator station in the far right of the image supports the assumption that this is simply a transition shot- a transparent torus flies over the screen, that's pointing towards the field, allowing for a position, focus, or time change.



No game can be remotely investigated through the game hints, so I won't try. But I am disappointed that there isn't a riddle...

EDIT- Ironic... This is my 1,000 post!

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He can't. He's paralyzed by laughter.

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Stuff from Wikipedia I found curiously interesting about 5:

In chess, the fewest number of moves a pawn makes to a queening square.

The smallest Euro banknote. It shows an antique bridge.

The word "punch" comes from the Hindustani for five.

International Maritime Signal flag for 5

I think that right there gives me a darn good idea of what the playing field might look like. Perhaps at the center will be a diamond plated circle for [insert scoring objective here]

Otherwise, there are no words to this hint curiously as well. Just a number. I'm suspecting it will be the same bot system as last year, 6 on field, etc. etc.

But that flag, and how the clue presents itself as a signal like the flag is what seems worth investigating.

:cool:

-Joe

edit: another curiosity: if one takes a quick glance (not at all paying much attention, no analysis) at the picture would they get a first impression that its the number 5 on a golf ball instead of diamond plate???

edit2: one of team 66's former advisers first thought of a pool ball when I described the hint to her...

edit3: something tells me everyone is looking too hard into the technical details of the photo... really nothing too conclusive yet. Last year the key was a simple phrase and linking it to the correct answer (shovel's show = "just shoot me") yet everyone took the first few thoughts, which turned out to be wayyyyy off, and did practically an essay on it. When I look at this year's game hint I think of what possible game elements have we seen in previous years, how consistent have the past years been, etc. etc. realistically speaking.

Our goal is to make Dave Lavery tremble with fear that the secret has been leaked. Otherwise he will just die laughing on the floor. Keep him alive and keep him wondering if he really made too easy of a hint. ;)

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I really like the inner tube idea, because it does look a lot like it.

Also, wanted to point out, if it is a manhole cover, Neenah Foundry in Neenah, Wisconsin is the largest producer of manhole covers. Try doing some research on them lol.

Honestly, that probably has nothing to do with it, just thought I would post my overly geeky knowledge...

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If the picture is a manhole cover, than maybe the playing field will have two levels, one will be some thing like a street or sidewalk, and the other will be something like a sewer system, and the only way to get between the levels is through one of five manholes.
There could be five levels, but that is a lot less likely.
As for what the actual game will be, I don't know. It would be fun to do a sort of paintball or lasertag thing with a field like that.

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The musical note G is 5 notes away from Middle C. G begins Greg Needel. So this year's game piece must be Greg, especially after he gave the "official clue" out:p

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Someone read and answered their email.

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Greg was actually paid off by the GDC to "leak" his "official" hint. Thats where the real clue is! Maybe we should start over-scrutinizing everything he says.....

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Wait, Optical character recognition? or did you mean the Office for civil rights? Or was it OverClocked Remix?

In any case, I think that this is most definately from an animation, but don't you guys think Dave would have done a better job on rendering the diamond plate if it were his finished game animation?

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this look like a leader/countdown http://video.google.com/videosearch?...ith+countdown+

Que the final countdown

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Maybe a 5 bot free-for-all???...with flying manhole covers...lol...guess we are going to have to wait anf find out

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going off of last years use of an obscure and contrived pop culture reference (david spade) i think we should apply that to this clue. so lets start with the diamond plateing. here is 3 probable options:

*Swedish pop star Amy Diamond released a CD in May of '05 (5-05) and track number 5 is called "one of the ones". implys to me that there will be a type of gamepeice that there is only one of durring each match.

*Micheal Diamond born in 1965 is a member of the band Beastie Boys who recently released a cd titled "To the 5 Boroughs" the boroughs refer to the NY boroughs leading me to believe that the game will have 5 distinct areas

*Dustin Diamond is better known as Screech from Saved by the Bell. in part of the series he has a robot named Kevin (5 letters). Kevin was a more humanoid robot than has been commonly seen at FIRST competitions, so this year the robot will have to meet certain requirements to look humanoid.

But maybe im wrong about the pop cluture references, and maybe there is something to this whole water deal. in the royal british navy "HMS Diamond" was the name given to a 5th rate ship and had 32 guns. the game must consist of a total of 32 points that the alliences fight over.

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The most destructive of all storms on the planet are F5 tornadoes and Category-5 hurricanes. :ahh:

And you thought last year's game was brutal... :ahh:

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also, the picture is using the RGB color scheme, not CMYK or anything else. this confirms the use of 3 colors for the camera to use.

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who me? :confused: ;)

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Round 5?

Dante's Inferno:

5th circle: The Wrathful and Sullen. These souls are submerged into the river Styx, which surrounds the city of Dis. The wrathful emerge from the dirty waters while the sullen are completely submerged. Phlegyas will take Dante and Virgil across this river in his boat. Here Dante talks to Filippo Argenti, an old acquaintance for whom he has no pity.

That pictures looks like water surrounding a "city?"

edit:

I've also been thinking about dlavery's "LMAO" (laughing my ___ off) user title.. so I looked around. There is a card game called MAO that looks interesting to think about. 5 seconds per turn, sometimes 5 cards dealt, "point of order.." A game with no rules, basically.. I guess FIRST probably wouldn't do that?

MAO -> China -> Chinese checkers.

I keep guessing, and the more I gues the more I realize that I have absolutely no idea.

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Neil Diamond wrote "im a believer" for the monkees and it was covered Smash Mouth and this version was used in the animated feature "shrek" shrek has 5 letters. this shows that the clue is obviously a frame from the kickoff video. most likely its just the final countdown to kickoff, so its merely to throw us off.

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I plead the fifth. :yikes:

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The scoring object, therefore is 6x9. It'll take 5 bots battling and 1 backbot compiling information to figure that out!

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Mao does have rules...I have been taught them from old members of team 237. You just aren't told what they are. :) I might be able to start up a game at kickoff or at the CT Regional this year if anyone is interested.

As for the game hint...usually, when FIRST posts hints, the meaning isn't THAT hidden. My guess...all you are looking at is a screen shot of Dave's animation. A blue inner tube scored in a goal that has a diamond plate bottom with the point value of said goal painted right inside of it. (i.e. 2004 when point values were painted right on the balls).

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I think the little guy on the right is just Dave Lavery laughing at us :P

(sorry about the shape, I can't trace very well)

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Last year's clue was pretty darn smothering of the real meaning.. but you are certainly correct.. someone may have already figured out what this "5" means..

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Eh, for my 2 cents, I go with the innertube thing mentioned about 10 pages back. We have to put plastic cylinders (there's a photo posted somewhere of Dave holding one) into these recepticales made of torii (is that the plural of torus?) that have diamond plate in the middle - and there are five such goals.

Yes, this is my first and last post in this thread.

Don

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How did this thread grow so fast? :ahh:

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Here are my thoughts:

The number reminds me of a the countdown number you see in old films, perhaps you have 5 seconds to get somewhere in auto mode.

The blue seems to indicate a water element.

The diamond plate is usually used on first ramps, so I think we will be seeing some sort of ramp.

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i hate the idea of water but what about a 5 gallon water bucket?

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cause the hint isn't what we want.

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going off the idea that the 5 looks like the movie countdown idea:

Countdown, think of it as "timing out" like in boxing or something. Perhaps something to do with match length, or maybe the 2001 time multiplier is back.

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Correct. What we want is wild, baseless speculation. The more improbable, the better! What else do we have to talk about?:rolleyes:

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Actually, I like this train of thought. Think of game pieces being the old style kiddie life preservers used in swimming pools (long before water wings were invented) that have to be placed on 5 poles with different point values (higher poles score higher points). Another kiddie reference to this toy that you'll stack the tubes on.

Attachment 4775

Stack 5 in a row and get bonus points. Other patterns get different points (like Connect Four).

Mannie

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Weren't the steps to the platform in 2004 diamond plated?

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The small steps were, and the sides of the larger ones were. Nothing you could drive on was diamond plate in 2005, and then the ramps in 2006 were.

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funny that they posted it 5 days before christmas if you count today. so i guess we'll be checking in the morning for 4.

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What do you get from the "5"?

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Well if you want improbable,

Discordiansm, a weird joke/religion that is based off the goddess Eris and Chaos has a thing called the law of fives. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discord...e_Law_of_Fives)

So the five represents Discordiansm. This tells us the game will be completely random and will be constantly changing.

The "Sacred Chao" is a symbol of discordianism. This symbol include the golden apple of Eris and a pentagon in a Yin and Yang form.

This says that a pentagon will be the central game piece.

The high scoring game piece will be the golden apple of Eris, there will be only one of these on the field and all teams will have to fight over it for high scoring.

And of course everything including timing will be based off of the number five as the law of fives says "ALL THINGS HAPPEN IN FIVES, OR ARE DIVISIBLE BY OR ARE MULTIPLES OF FIVE, OR ARE SOMEHOW DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY APPROPRIATE TO 5."

So there we go. Everything to do with the number five. I'm not sure how this helps, but hey, I thought of it today and decided I should post it.

-Greg

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hmm, i was playing around with 5 being a countdown... someone mentioned it being perhaps 5 days till the next clue... well if you look at the days properly:

5 days from now puts us at the 26th
4 days from that puts us at the 30th
3 days from that puts us at the 2nd
2 days from that puts us at the 4th
and 1 day from that puts us at the 5th

one day before the kick off...

what if they will release 1 clue on the 26th, the 30th, the 2nd, the 4th, and then one last one on the 5th right before the kick off? just to keep us guessing more and more? I also realized that last years clue...

five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights

five 'bots
pasta
game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
green
heights

5 hints in those lines, 5 days for them to release another clue, 5 hints till the kick off

we have yet to see another 4 parts to the hint! :ahh:

imo :)

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The image when downloaded is 366x274 pixels....
This would be nothing if it translated to a nice number in another unit but it comes out to 5.08x3.81 inches or 12.91x9.67 cm. Perhaps some clever clue maker had some fun with dimensions.

Can anyone make anything of it?

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This picture has a large number 5. On a diamond plate Circle

Enhancing on this fact...

The Circle of Fifths represents the 12 different key signatures of the 12 different major scales.

So taking the idea of the idea of the 12 scales, and looking at the diamonds on the diamond plate.... diamonds are mostly, if not completely, comprised of carbon. The Atomic number for Carbon is 6, half of 12.

Maybe this is just a reiteration of how many robots will be on the field at once?

Maybe the batons will be used this upcoming year?

Just a couple things to think about.

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Like that (--^) type of thing?

Interesting..

Given past indicators, all you innertube guessers may be right.

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Yes, but the ring-posts are robot features defined by a special rule, and rings may be placed on the robot only in ways defined by other special rules. Ring points are multiplied by a factor determined by the level on a special field structure, resembling a stair-stepped pyramid, to which that robot can climb at the end of the match. Higher levels will accomodate fewer robots and give larger ring-point multipliers. The highest level holds only one robot, and its multiplier is five.

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Diamonds typically crystallize in the face-centered cubic crystal system and consist of tetrahedrally bonded carbon atoms.

Boxes and Tetras!

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Id like to point out that it may be significant that the five is infront or ontop or the diamond plate depending on your perception, which in FIRST is synonamous with the wall seperating the drivers and bots. This may mean that the drivers will be either on the field or elivated, an interesting idea that might be difficult to do safely.

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Good list, but the one thing that you seem to have missed is the filename (2007Clue1.jpg). I personally think that we shouldn't write off the possibility of there still being a riddle. My guess is that game "clue" != hint, and will likely have a small series of images to tease us, either until the game or just the riddle itself.

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I think it is like five spots on a die. I believe there will be 5 circular platforms, 4 corners and one middle that you will have to end at (poss. bonus for middle) with one robot that is odd man out. Could be scoring positions 5 goals in a 5 dot die pattern. Or giant fuzzy dice for the game piece. (It would fit the triangle, circle, square theory. Just more to think about.)

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I think there'll be 5 robots, all competing over 1 objective, with no alliances.

My reasoning: There is a big 5 in the picture (duh), and that is written over a large metallic plate. That plate, in my mind, represents this "objective". I think this objective has something to do with climbing something.

Just my 2 cents.

It'll be fun, no matter what the game ends up being ^.^

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I am personally going to reserve judgement until tomorrow.

The first thing this reminded me of was those old black and white countdowns to the start of a show. The countdown always started at "5"... :)

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We already know that water isn't safe for robots, especially since incidents during gameplay are unpredictable and it's considerably more difficult to design a water-safe robot.

With all the past discussion of the water game idea, I think the clue was intentionally made to hint at water because they knew we'd try to interpret it that way. It was inevitable that the clue would falsely hint at a water game.

On a related thought, this is another possibility for the game:

There will be five diamond plate cylindrical boxes, set up in two antiparallel lines from smallest to largest for each alliance, with the lines in a lengthwise orientation on either side of the field. Five zones separate the cans in pairs. Four tori are placed on the edges of the middle zone. Robots must pick up the small cans and transfer the contents of the can from one can to another and through the tori in order to put the contents into a funnel on each end of the field.

The smallest cans are filled with...jello powder! The funnels attach to pipes that lead to tanks of water (hence the water clues) and the field automatically prepares the jello for the award winners.

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Totally agreed.

But I also have another point. Today in our intro to robotics class, all we did was look at the picture. We all seemed to notice hula-hoops in the blue portion of the picture. It looks like there's a whole bunch just stacked on top of each other, in a non organized way.... just another thing to think about...

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obscure...yes

oddly fitting...yes!

a 5 on a diamond hill appears to be what we have in the pictorial clue

http://tampa.golfnation.org/hole716

maybe there's a clue out on that golf course!

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so many great ideas!
1) if it was to be a king of the hill type game, with raised platform, there would be alot of pushing aka lots of penalties. also where would the offence come in on said event?
2) free for all would result in the same correct? i know in past games before alliances were introduced this is how it was, but that was with fewer bots and why would FIRST go back in time?
3) what if the imagefile name 2007clue1 has a 1 in it just to throw everyone off and have everyone look forward to the next clue (please robot gods...let there be more)

my input: 3 v 3 alliance game. 5 different goals, with different lights, so the cameras will have to be able to distinguish the colors (hint from 2006 nationals), one goal maybe goal 5, will be the toughest to win points in, and when this happens, a robot from the opposing alliance will be disabled at random for 5 seconds.

thats all

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The blue in the back reminds me of the beanies from a few years back, maybe they're on the return?

Also, the picture looks like a frame from the game animation, so my guess is that the 5 is depicting a game element. I was playing with the possibility that we would have to stack objects onto the diamond stud plates for points.

A pity we don't have a word clue to play with.

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How deep should we look into the game clue?

This was last years clue. The only part I saw that applied to the game is the "seeing Montana's green heights" part (meaning the ramp). The number 5 was used too, but with no connection to the game. The only reliable thing I'm getting is that we will be using diamond plate again:rolleyes:

Any Comments?

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I know there has been alot of speculation that this year will be an underwater game.

But just because it's hinting at water doesn't mean it UNDERwater. Perhaps this clue means there will only be a layer of water a few inches high covering the entire field, and raised diamond-plate disks will be above the water level? Perhaps an island hopping/race type game?

I'd also like to say I'm proud to see this thread reach over 260 replies in less than 12 hours, we're definitely going to beat last year's official clue thread.

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Wrong on both counts--"Montana's green heights" referred to the high goal, and the five referred to the number of robots on one side of the field during an offense period (three scoring, two defending, one on the other side as a backbot).

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And the pasta was the pool noodles in the bumpers.. More water nonsense!

Anyway, we've got to be less detailed in our speculation.. you'll just give the GDC to many ideas for future games!

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I'm going to say that this is from the animation (as has been said already.) However, I'm also going to say this one thing....

TRIPLE REPLAY!!!

Let's see here: 5 can refer to anything, but the 2005 clue was on baseball. It looks like a goal from 2005 is in the bottom right corner. I'm going to guess something has changed a bit, though.

Other thoughts:
Post 5 in the Game Design thread has a game that is pretty good, possibly played on diamond plate.

The fifth game was suggested by Billfred (last year's "winner"), but is a little crazy.

Then again, the 4th game involved 5 moving goals.

Oh, no, I'm losing my mind already!

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Last years hint was quite relevant. Let's take it line by line, shall we?

five 'bots tangling in pasta
There were five robots actively playing, who had the option of protecting themselves with pool "noodles".

a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
This is a reference to David Spade's "Just Shoot Me", because that was exactly what we were doing to the balls

and seeing Montana's green heights
Reference to the CMUCam obviously, I also interpret it as referencing the high goals. Although I suppose it could be taken as the ramp.

As for this year, I find the 5 periods thing to rather interesting, although I'd rather we see the return of a two period game, autonomous and just plain old operator control.

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For the 2006 game season, the only place I saw that kind of steel was for the ramps. What if for this game, there were 5 ramps and instead of only scoring for being on the ramps at the end, they would have periods in the game and at the end of the periods you could get points for being on one of the 5 ramps? Kinda like musical chairs...

They didn't give us much to think about with just a "5" but we could still create our own game with all these ideas! I wonder if First watches these to get ideas for next game season... :D

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You know...I bet the 5 is the amount of points you recieve if you put that blue ring on it.

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It seems to me that it could be a big plunger button that you have to drive into to activate. Like maybe to release game pieces.

Or, if its a 5-robot free-for-all game, it could be that in autonomous there are five of these numbered buttons along the side of the field with different colored lights as below (RL, GL, BL = Red, Green, Blue light & Tx = Target x)

[RL] (T1) [RL] (T2) [GL] (T3) [GL] (T4) [BL] (T5) [BL]

At the start of the match the field computer randomly downloads a number to each of the robots 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. If you can drive into your button during autonomous you get a big bonus. Or get your game pieces early.

Or maybe there is one of these at each end. During the match if you can get to and drive into your opponents "5" button, then you disable them for 5 seconds or take 5 seconds off of their time, or earn 5 points, or take away 5 points... *sigh*... so many possibilities....

I'm gonna stop throwing out these silly guesses now so Dave can stop laughing at me.

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If you keep it as a screen shot then the file name of 2007clue1 would make sense. In a editing program like AVID XPRESS PRO (which I use at school and is similar to Final Cut Pro which I think is the program the almighty Dave Lavery uses) you create new timelines each time you sign in (to keep track of edits/show progress etc.). These timelines use the original timeline name and add another number unless a new name is specified. In example if the name was "robots" the next time you edit it will be saved as "robots1".
This does the same thing if you take a screenshot from the timeline. So... I wouldn't get your hopes up for more still clues, but a short animation, but then again I haven't slept in around 5 days so I am a little spacey.

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Here's an interesting theory about the game.
If you look at the past two games, we see that last year's game involved a ball, and the year before used triangles. This can be connected to the FIRST logo, which is a triangle, a circle, and a square.
If we follow the pattern, the game would logically involve some sort of box.
this box may somehow represent a goal of some sort, possibly pentagonal.(this would explain the 5 and the diamond)
I believe that the blue background is not water, which is a common belief, but either a light effect to throw us off, or simply the background of the Demo Video. (it has been suggested that the clue is a still-shot of the Demo for this year).

these are just a couple suggestions, not that I expect any to be true.
(i'm the one who thought that last year's game would require digging, due to it's reference to a "shovel's show" )

P.S: these views are not expressly mine, yet a collaborative work of my peers at Birds Of Prey.

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I wish!!!! :)

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I really don't think this is the real clue i think they are counting down until the real one. I have been messing with this one and I got what seemed to be a goal or the right side of the picture maybe we are looking down on that goal and it is telling us a point value or refering to an object with the same number that goes into it. Just a thought.

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You know, I've heard that theory alot, and I was wondering a couple things.

1. have they ever given us a countdown before?

2. why do they label this as the clue on the official website? I mean, if it were a countdown, wouldn't the organization be misleading us, going against gracious professionalism?

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So far...even with the hint...this is what the field looks like so far:

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Isn't it kind of against gracious professionalism giving us a clue anyway I mean look at how much work we are putting into this when we don't really get anything and won't know anything until kickoff I think they are just trying to get us into the mood of thinking about stuff that you would not think of if you saw this say if you were at work if it was in your text book.

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You know clean, you're right about that. The point of the clue is to get us thinking outside the box in order to solve a rather simple problem. It also gets us hyped up for competition times, amping us up for the big-league atmosphere.

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mabye the blue is water!

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that has in fact been suggested, but thinking realistically, I don't think that technology is even advanced enough where we can get waterproof parts for really cheap.
I think that an underwater game would be extremely fun, but it's highly unrealistic.

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Since no one has gone too far down the Party of 5 line of reasoning yet:

5 = Party of 5
Neve Cambell was in party of 5
Cambell as in Cambell's Soup
A round aluminum disc = soup can lid
What this means is the plate we see is a lid we have to place on something.

Or I could diverge from that with:
Cambell's soup
Andy Warhol had a famous painting of Cambell's soup cans.
He had a similar painting of Marilyn Monroe
Marilyn Monroe sang diamonds are a girls best friend in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"
Blonde means Platinum Blonde
Platinum is used in catalysts for Fuel Cells
Therefore we are using fuelcell robots.

This only my 5th season and can go on with these for hours now.
What have you done to me Chiefdelphi?
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!:ahh:

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Dave talks about five here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...02&postcount=9

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Actually several teams are slated to be part of a promo use of fuel cells in robots this year instead of traditional batteries. Right on with that conclusion... i think : )

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Neil Diamond did a song called Forever in Blue Jeans

Who does that make you think of?

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i was looking at the screen at a weird angle and i saw that the diamond plate pattern actually is on the #5 too... mabe there are numbers painted on the diamond plate

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There have been two theories about that, albeit they don't seem important to the game play.
Either the number is painted directly onto the diamond.
or there is a thin layer of plexi/lexan over the top of it.

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alright heres my $.02
5 ending platforms only big enough for one robot a piece so one bot is left out. or something similar like that maybe only 5 playing objects so its an uneven number.

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I told myself I wasn't going to get into the hint, but I can still read the thread, can't I?

Just noticing....reading above you, even though it may take f-o-r-e-v-e-r, just might be a good idea. I've seen so many people saying something we've already determined pages & pages ago.

It just makes reading easier for us all.

=]

ted says it best:

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The 5 has to be the amount of points you get for doing something...like putting a ring on the pole, or reaching to the level that you made it to.

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Its the Fifth one listed too.

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Not the logo theory again! If the logo theory is actually true, then yes, we get a box. (5 stacks? stacks of 5?) If not (my view), then this theory has only one purpose--confuse us.

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I had to skim the last page b/c this is all too much to take in at 10:30pm, especially since I've been up since 6am.

Anyway my hopes:
-4 more clues/ less, or no more, vague picture clues
-CD's spoilers become better than Harry Potter spoilers (b/c they're quite good.)
-no water!, no neutral bot, no blue light camera sensor


'tis all. goodnight! & happy reading for those who can read all these posts in one go.

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it'd be pretty funny if the number 5 had nothing to do with the game really, and FIRST is sitting there laughing their heads off at how many connections we are making with 5 and the world... I know i would do something like that for a good laugh...

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You guys are all nuts. Its a picture of a 5. Theres no way you can even come close to determining the game from it.

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WHat was your first indicator of our insanity? Because I thought it was pretty evident from post #1
We do this for fun.

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Oh by the way...

Did anyone notice that 2007 is the 10 year anniversary of one of the greatest 1 v 1 v 1 games in history? Torroid Terror!

The game piece that year...tubes.

Though I kinda like the hula hoop idea.

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Ya know, that could connect to one of the other theories i've heard.
someone said that the blue outlining might represent a, ocean-blue LED tubing......Just a thought.