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Al Skierkiewicz 18-01-2007 10:43

Re: Exceeding 72 x 72 - Penalty?
 
Gary,
Speaking from an inspection standpoint, inspectors were not required to measure sizes (outside of the box dimensions) or speed last year during inspection. If a team raised the eyebrow of a field inspector, ref, or other person (i.e. opposing coach), then the Lead inspector was alerted and the robot checked for infraction. I was lucky, no team that went through this process in the events I participated in, was found in violation. There were some teams that exceeded the speed limit but only on the first ball. A note to all, the refs and other field people get really good at judging distances, heights, bumper zone, etc. by the afternoon of the practice day. They are generally experts by mid morning on Friday. No fooling that bunch.

ttedrow 19-01-2007 10:41

Re: Exceeding 72 x 72 - Penalty?
 
Well teams, FIRST has spoken on this subject. Here is their response for the Q&A board:

"Rule <R12> specifies that while outside of the Home Zone, the robot may not exceed 72 inches (width) by 72 inches (length). There is no exception for overturned robots.

In all cases involving a violation of this rule, the ROBOT may be disabled and/or disqualified."

Don Wright 19-01-2007 11:13

Re: Exceeding 72 x 72 - Penalty?
 
Unfortunately, they put the word "may" in there which means it's all still open for speculation and discussion... I hate lawyering the rules, but the way they write things makes us do it...

jgannon 19-01-2007 14:20

Re: Exceeding 72 x 72 - Penalty?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ttedrow (Post 560339)
There is no exception for overturned robots.

So, if you are in the finals and you tip over a robot that is reaching for the top spider leg, you get to start over? A DQ for them and a DQ for you... sounds like we'll be having quite a few rematches this year.

dlavery 19-01-2007 17:12

Re: Exceeding 72 x 72 - Penalty?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jgannon (Post 560467)
So, if you are in the finals and you tip over a robot that is reaching for the top spider leg, you get to start over? A DQ for them and a DQ for you... sounds like we'll be having quite a few rematches this year.

Go ahead and try that and see what happens. :)

Think it through. The use of the "the ROBOT may be disabled and/or disqualified" phrase makes a lot of sense, and seems like a good call by FIRST. Not every violation of <R12> is the same. Some are massive and deserving of a DQ (e.g. a robot that can reach 12 feet horizontally and was designed from the start as a rule-violator), some are minor and transient and appropriate of a lesser penalty (e.g. a six-foot-tall robot that is pushed over by an opponent - during the course of falling over, it temporarily has a horizontal dimension greater than 72 inches and therefore violates the rule). This wording makes it clear that you are not supposed to violate the rule, but gives the referees some discretion on how it is penalized, based on the context of the infraction.

-dave

Ricky Q. 19-01-2007 17:32

Re: Exceeding 72 x 72 - Penalty?
 
From Update #4:

New Game Rule <G41-A> has been added:
Violations of Rule <R12> while the ROBOT is outside of the Home Zone during match play will be penalized. A violation of this rule may result in the ROBOT being disabled or disqualified, based on the severity of the infraction.


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