2009 - Ice Game
 

We've ruled out water games over and over again...but how about ice?
This is what happens when you talk to Libby Kamen...
and...

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FIRST robots on ice.:rolleyes:




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speechless.

I am just going to be afraid. And leave you alone - from now on.

mhm. Salvage my brain.

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Hmmm, practicing would be easy figuring that its been raining ice the last few days here.

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because I totally didn't just say that to you over AIM.... :mad:

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You think we make tough defensive robots... you should see us on ice ;)

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We've got ice in St. Louis now.:eek: If the same thing happens in 2009 we could practice in the parking lot. Using batteries for power, of course; these ice storms are usually accompanied by widespread electrical service outage.

Anyway, our regional venue would be well suited to an ice game, because it is a hockey arena. Normally we cover the ice with plastic tiles and then carpet over that for the field. Maybe in '09 we can just remove some tiles instead?

If the volunteers (esp. referees and field resetters) are going to be ready for this, they have to get their skates on soon.:rolleyes:

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Aim High- basketball & soccer- :o OK

Sk8tin' A-Boot (and yes, a Canadian is making Canadian cracks)- curling and hockey- :D AMAZING!!!!

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Yep! Same here in NJ.

And maybe that would mean less people would get sick at the regional...those little blocks they use to cover the ice always seem to have everyone feeling under the weather (or that's one of the theories). ;)

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Hehe, I have, and the Americans got beat up big time. Although this would be a cool game how consistent would it be? I mean after every game would you have that IceTraktor go over the ice to smooth it out? How would they keep the field consistent is my main worry. ALTHOUGH if you used treads properly it wouldn't matter.

Pavan.

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I was IMed with "You Got Lavery owned" and was told to check out his away message....

And like a minute later I get an IM... (scared me half to death..thank you Dave)
ICE GAME IT IS!

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This means I need to work on a Bombardier (snowmobile) and Snowcat sponsorship.... :p

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:eek:- how dare you call it an "IceTraktor"! It's a ZAMBONI- haven't you ever listened to Canadian Idiot??-:mad: [side note]Wierd Al is really funny sometimes- although Canadian Idiot wasn't as good as White n' Nerdy[/side note].

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Oh, so it's your fault. We are supposed to get that crap here tonight and tomorrow in Connecticut.

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CRAP!! :eek: what you mean that beautiful white thing we like to call snow. I have been missing it here in Toronto, today was actually our first official snow fall... and I have been missing it (it looks a lot better then yellow dead grass).

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For an ice game here in Arizona, we'd have to move our venue to the Coyote's Arena. Does this mean I can assume we'd finally get the Cardinal's Staidum/Coyote's Arena venue combo I've been hoping for, and we can push for a super regional (or even the Championship) in 2009?

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I drive for a living and every day we don't have that "CRAP" I am happy.

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Using snow would stink. Snow is cold, and wet when melted. I just hate it!

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ice dosent have to be frozen water.......they make "fake" ice thats like srally slippery plastic that people skate on. it could be a connection to a water game (water + cold = ice)
/forest

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IceTraktor? its called an IceTraktor?! gosh my childhood would have been so much more exciting if an "IceTraktor" cleaned the ice after my youth hockey games instead of that lame zamboni.

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haha, i just read robotcanuck1676's post. so it's not called an IceTraktor? it should be.

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We barely have any ice here in California (At least here in Rohnert Park, where 675 is), so we'd have no way to practice D=

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That would surely make an interesting Florida Regional. Would it actually require us not to wear shorts and the warm clothes that none of us Floridians have?

"Ice? What's that?"

With this game each venue would already be equipped with a team social, ice skating party anyone? I could only imagine the poor volunteers though...

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some teams would have trouble with the "not destroying the game pieces or arena" rule. Not to mention it would completely mess up over perfect traction robots!:rolleyes:

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Not really. Just make a robot with gigantic spikes on the treads... [during a match- the announcer] "Ooh, and there goes Team X's whole control board... sorry guys... [/during a match- the announcer]

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I guess Team 1732 NASA/Quad Tech Inc./The Ralph Evinrude Foundation/Rockwell Automation/The John McDermott Family/BRP US Inc./Marquette University/Titan Inc. & Marquette University High School is all set then!

BRP US Inc = Bombardier Recreational Products

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If it comes down to ice we Canadians will have the Israeli's beat no problem!

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Maybe not. I heard tell of a few Israelis sk8tin' aboot.

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Do you believe in miracles? Yes!

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If we're going to speculate shouldn't we at least speculate about the 2008 game?

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...and flog that dead horse? Everyone knows that 2008 is going to be FIRE themed...

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in the pic it looks like the bots are actually skateboarding, perhaps the game is to get the most air after jumping the ramp

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WHOA!! Guys, Dean would not do this for one reason...It would completly put the icecapades out of buisness. This reminds me of the farside comic "The icecrusades". I do hope fire is the theme next year, just to hear the batteries pop.

Chris

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Now my question on the ice game is, would a team be allowed to put spikes in their wheels in order to obtain traction or would that still be barred? lol

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That would probably be considered damaging the playing field :p

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Synchronized skating with 'bots...ah fun times ahead...
now fire....can you imagine the FLAMETHROWERS one could have?:D Us safety captains would have a grand ol' time. Although with the fire idea, I can imagine the manual would be twice as long as it is now with all the rules and restrictions.

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That would be amazing. It would be really cool if they came up with a game like that only it was a game of hockey. You could have a arm shoot back and forth to shoot a puck and maybe a defensive robot as a goalie:rolleyes: .

Just givin the idea some thought. Maybe the 2011 game will be on MARS! Just Kiddin

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duuuude, i modled something on cad, and it doesnt work in real life? whats up with that? oh, and i cant run my robot on qbasic 98 edition, should i get the 2000 qbasic edition? :yikes:

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:ahh: Whoa, it's going to be a problem to build an arena like this here in Brazil... :ahh:

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i dont know how many times i have heard water or ice or other idiotic ideas like the ones ive seen today. There will never be a water challenge because of the chances of it breaking down in the water. Ice would make it to hard to keep the floor cold enough to have it last a competition. And fire...thats just a joke. PLEASE PPL!!!! THINK!:eek:

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wind. :D

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what about.........a snakes on a plane themed game where you build a robot that can kill snakes while you fly an air plane :yikes: :yikes:

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no need to get angry, this is just a fun-loving thread, btw water based robotics competitions exist, and it would be an extreme leap in fun (as well as difficulty) in the realm of FIRST!

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Dang. Since you said there will never be a water challenge, I guess I will just have to scrap all those plans for the 2008 game and start over.

Now where did I put that idea for the jello-based game.....


-dave

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uf. jello. why not pudding ? :D

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Dave just gave me an idea (!) since this year's game uses innertubes, and they were used in the "hint" for next year at the end of Kickoff, that must mean that the 2008 game piece is a hint for the 2009 ice game.
Follow my logic here:
2005 = Triple Play. Tetrahedrons aka triangles pointing way up high.
2006 = Aim High. Game pieces were balls that roll.
2007 = Rack & Roll. Innertubes that float.
2008 = H 2 Uh-Oh!. With game pieces involving a puck, or skates, or a Zamboni, or brooms, or something else along those lines.
2009 = Ice Scream (okay, you come up with a better name)....

But certainly not triangle-circle-square. That's just silly.

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never happening, or will water games, teams cant build practise fields,(well maybe for water games)

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Do most facilities have the ability to make ice? How about keep it cold enough? Does a convention center have the ability to make ice? Didn't think so.

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hehehe we already have Bombardier sponsorship :)
i think us canadians might have a certain advantage... over sayyyyy.... Isreal? Brazil? ehhe

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The Florida Regional would be just fine. Orlando has ice capabilities at the arena in downtown, we would just have to move out of UCF. We would just have to bring in enough skate guards for the pits.......now thats a safety hazard.

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What's all the dissing on Israel and Canada about?!

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There is more than one way to make ice.

-dave

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If Dave's suggesting what I think he's suggesting, I want to be in on that phone call.

"Yeah, uh, we're looking for ice makers that can run on 12 volts, and we need about 1,500 of them. Can we get those by the twentieth of December?"

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:confused: yea not happening we need better solid proof then that no offence of course but still

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Ummmm....
Did I miss something?

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118 is in Texas, no ice down here.

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having a competition on ice would be pretty crazy!

But if there was one in the up coming years, just think of the game posibilities.

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Yeah, I've got one.

Ice racing, anyone?

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If we went with the jello/pudding game, Bill Cosby could announce nationals. Sounds fun. Does jello conduct electricity?

Chris

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Maybe hockey, but racing would rock

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i think if the game was on ice it would be very fun and hard to control the robots which would make it more challenging

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Why not curling, Spikan? Much more challenging, getting a rock on a single target.

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I think that something like curling would be right in the spirit of FIRST. Challenging, but not impossible.

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...
Our Tracks would be nice...but slow

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An ice game would be awesome! Except for the fact that we here in Las Vegas don't have a lot of ice to go around in late March. Impracticable, but it would be an amazing game.

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Ice Game 2009 - Lunacy.

Wow.

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I guess we can say- called it?

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What was the name of the field surface? Regolith? Something else? (Yes, I'm posting while watching "Who Wants To Be An Engineer")

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Good call!!!

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Yeah, along with low friction wheels in the kit.

1GiantLeap4FRC is the password

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brilliant :O Libby is OBVIOUSLY psychic
that or the GDC did it deliberately because of this thread :S :)

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Wow. Way to go guys. Hahahaha

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Sooo... now that we've more or less proven the ice game theory, how do we go about testing our robots on this? If you look at the rules, it's a gel coated polymer, which I've no idea how to simulate or purchase, and even here in Colorado, ice is a bit impractical right now, considering how expensive ice time is, not to mention scarce. Unfortunately we're in the middle of hockey season (my brother is a bantam player on a CC team), so finding ice time outside of 2am is going to be a nightmare, so that's kind of out the window. Surely someone has an idea? Or maybe I'm totally missing the mark?

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There are multiple threads discussing this.

http://chiefdelphi.com/forums/showth...t=71033&page=2

The bottom line that I've gathered, though, is you're looking at paying ~$28 per 4x8 sheet or so. Pretty expensive stuff. Good luck. :D

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I'd pay for that :D

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Gym floors can get pretty slippery while dusty.

Just sayin'...

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How does first always give such obvious clues, like bills blog, and yet no one can guess them!! Genius!