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Team 849 19-02-2007 18:25

ramp tractions
 
Are we alloud to use electrical tape or foam tape to provide traction on the RAMP?

Thanks :D

Aratarin 19-02-2007 18:31

Re: ramp tractions
 
I don't beleive that this is allowed.... Rule <R35> States that electrical tape can only be used as an electrical insulator and it also states foam tape may only be used for attacjing components.
Sorry... We were hoping to do this same thing before, also.
Good luck!

Molten 19-02-2007 18:31

Re: ramp tractions
 
From my understanding, no. We got burned by this one last year. We used tape to just post our team number and sponsors. We had to remove them and find another way of posting them at the competition. We got lucky and another team gave us some glue.

Team 849 19-02-2007 18:35

Re: ramp tractions
 
thats a bummer, thanks anyways :D

Mike Betts 19-02-2007 18:40

Re: ramp tractions
 
The best FIRST legal way to provide traction on rams is to get some epoxy garage floor paint at your local hardware center. There are abrasive additives (sand) that can be added to this paint to provide a durable non-slip surface to your ramp.

Arefin Bari 19-02-2007 19:06

Re: ramp tractions
 
Alright, lets look back a little bit. You aren't allowed to use any kind of tape or adhessive material on the robot. The question was brought up on FIRST Q&A. We were concerned with the same thing. The teacher on the team went ahead and read the Q&A about it. Someone asked if we could take the material, sand the sticky side out, and use epoxy to put it on. The response we got was positive.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you could use numbers and sponsor's decal as long as it is just for decoration?

Kirk 19-02-2007 20:25

Re: ramp tractions
 
You can buy paint with grit in it. It’s used to paint onto concrete steps and other smooth surfaces. You can get it at Grainger, and maybe Home Depot/Lowes. As far as tape for numbers I think that legal as the post before me said. Its a decoration not a functional part. If that was the case then stickers with logos and numbers would not be competition legal.

Kirk

purduephotog 20-02-2007 10:19

Re: ramp tractions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirk (Post 581979)
You can buy paint with grit in it. It’s used to paint onto concrete steps and other smooth surfaces. You can get it at Grainger, and maybe Home Depot/Lowes. As far as tape for numbers I think that legal as the post before me said. Its a decoration not a functional part. If that was the case then stickers with logos and numbers would not be competition legal.

Kirk

I saw a team last night that painted their ramp with this sort of epoxy material. It contained high-grit and (looked like) a varied amount of specks that felt quite rough to the touch. The team said they were easily able to paint/prime their aluminum and it took only 24 hours to cure completely.

Molten 20-02-2007 10:33

Re: ramp tractions
 
That means that they have just under the amount of time they would need. Unless, it can cure in their crate.

Stillen 20-02-2007 10:44

Re: ramp tractions
 
I've read the responses over at the FIRST Q&A.... You guys need to head over there and look at some of them.... The solutions vary. Looks like one team is using those adhesive stair treads, but they are removing the factory adhesive, and then using their own adhesive, to adhere the sections. According to the rules, this is legal..


See you at the regionals

Stills

Gary Dillard 21-02-2007 13:42

Re: ramp tractions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arefin Bari (Post 581917)
You aren't allowed to use any kind of tape or adhesive material on the robot.

I don't get that from the Q&A; there is a distinction made between adhesive backed tapes and other materials with adhesive backing. See this response. According to the GDC you can use adhesive backed traction materials as long as they are not tape. Likewise you can use adhesives (Spray 77, glue, contact cement, epoxy) other than tape - you could just take sandpaper and glue it to the surface.

GIR 21-02-2007 13:47

Re: ramp tractions
 
Have you considered friction tape like the kind they use on skateboards and hockey sticks?

Donut 21-02-2007 14:59

Re: ramp tractions
 
You may also want to look into alternatives from tape. Our team is using some kind of non-slip matting that one of our mentors picked up at home depot. Attach it using staples or zip ties, and you have no worries about breaking adhesive rules anymore.

Nate Edwards 21-02-2007 15:42

Re: ramp tractions
 
We thought of the skateboard tape when we designed ours, but we figured it was against the rules and I looked on the Q and A orginally they said no, so we just got some expanded metal which provides huge amouts of friction/traction.

Nate

Gary Dillard 21-02-2007 16:50

Re: ramp tractions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Donut (Post 583431)
Attach it using staples or zip ties, and you have no worries about breaking adhesive rules anymore.

Let me try to make this point again - there are no issues with adhesives. It's adhesive tapes that aren't allowed, not adhesives. Not to say that staples or zip ties might work better, but don't discount adhesives - they ARE allowed by the rules and confirmed by the Q&A.


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