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whytheheckme 05-03-2007 00:34
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Originally Posted by Petey (Post 590652)
Listen, my team lost in the finals to that alliance, and I've never suffered a more entertaining arse-kicking. Case closed.
Agreed. I was in AWE when I looked across the field and watched that last bot climb up 1824 over the complete row of rings. My mouth dropped open, probably said a couple of not nice words, and was extremely impressed. I Congratulate teams 501, 175 and 1824 for getting the so-far-standing high score.

Jacob

arabsponsor 05-03-2007 08:51
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When the drive team is on the floor they are concentrating on doing the best they can. Every team has worked hard for 6 weeks and want to see how their engineering miracle performs. I applaud these 3 teams for working so effectively with one another. I hope we see a match like this at Peachtree and Palmetto. It would be wonderful to see. I think every team out there dreams of putting on a stellar performance like this.

griff549 05-03-2007 19:11
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Originally Posted by DDAwg3 (Post 589594)
Personally I found this match the exact opposite of what is suppose to be one of the biggest elements of FIRST -(Gracious professionalism) not with play like that......they had the match wrapped up and still went and put not just one but two robots up for the additional 60 points. I feel they should be ashamed not applauded. As amentor I would not of allowed that by my team.

i deffnitly agree with you scottie the fact that they went for the ramp points was humilating to the other alliance. that was not good sportsmanship and thats is deffnitly on of the things that first is based on

griff549 05-03-2007 19:27
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Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 589733)
I hate to be profound, but..

Of everything I have ever read on Chief Delphi, and believe me, I don't miss much, this statement has to be the most ridiculous things I have ever seen. I think its a bogus claim to make that team Buzz, quite possibly one of the most influential and inspirational teams of them all, would purposely do something that went against the "morals" of FIRST. They went out and played a clean, fair match. Sure, the alliances weren't "balanced" or "fair", but may I ask when life is? You must remember that we play with alliances of three teams, and the third team can make or break a competition. Apparently 501 and 175 had great scouts because they were able to pick up such a great 2nd round pick in 1824. Every other alliance had the chance to pick them, but none did, which is their own loss.

Now, any of the alliances in eliminations could have beaten the 501/175/1824 alliance. NO team out there this weekend was polished enough to be called "dominant". So apparently, 501 and Buzz not only have great scouts, but a great strategist. They played the game in a way which made the most sense to them. Each team complimented each other, and they played off of their opponent's weaknesses. This seems totally "fair" to me.

And just for the record: After that match, I gave that alliance a standing ovation. That is the only time I stood up for ANY team all weekend. Now, I'm pumped to start strategizing for my next regional. ALL because of that one match.

may i point out that one of the morals of first is sportsmanship and humaliating a allaince so you can have a high score is not showing good sportsmanship if u ask me. this wasnt even against my allaince and i still think it is rediclious. did they really need to score over 200 points to win they could have stoped after 100 and would have won. so to back up my mentor this is not a rediclious statement at all if you think about it.

Dan Petrovic 05-03-2007 19:36
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Originally Posted by griff549 (Post 591289)
may i point out that one of the morals of first is sportsmanship and humaliating a allaince so you can have a high score is not showing good sportsmanship if u ask me. this wasnt even against my allaince and i still think it is rediclious. did they really need to score over 200 points to win they could have stoped after 100 and would have won. so to back up my mentor this is not a rediclious statement at all if you think about it.
In my mind, I'd find it more humiliating if the team put a little bit of effort into the first minute of it then just give up in an attempt to make the opponent look better.

If I'm going to be beaten by a team, I want them to show us what exactly they are made of.

Jonathan Norris 05-03-2007 19:40
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here is another video of the match (its nh_qf1m2): http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/nh/

Billfred 05-03-2007 19:42
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Originally Posted by griff549 (Post 591289)
may i point out that one of the morals of first is sportsmanship and humaliating a allaince so you can have a high score is not showing good sportsmanship if u ask me. this wasnt even against my allaince and i still think it is rediclious. did they really need to score over 200 points to win they could have stoped after 100 and would have won. so to back up my mentor this is not a rediclious statement at all if you think about it.
While this wasn't clear from the initial photo, it should be noted that this was in an elimination match. QPs and RPs and other niceties* clocked out before lunch; at this point, the sole objective of each alliance is to score more points than their opponents within the bounds of the rules.

But, since the matter has been brought up, let's examine what would happen if the advice were followed not to aim for a drink of Eighterade because doing your best is "not showing good sportsmanship." Let's just say that the alliance hung one ringer, drove up the ramps, and sat there for a minute and a half. What aspect of the remaining 90 seconds of minimal game action for this particular match is particularly inspiring? What aspect of this 90 seconds is going to help FIRST gain more exposure? What aspect of this 90 seconds is going to have the five-year-old kid sitting in the stands jumping up and down, waiting for the day that he's able to get working on one of these things?

Getting whooped in a match may sting, but the converse is the far worse fate.

teenmisfit 05-03-2007 20:32
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Originally Posted by griff549 (Post 591289)
may i point out that one of the morals of first is sportsmanship and humaliating a allaince so you can have a high score is not showing good sportsmanship if u ask me. this wasnt even against my allaince and i still think it is rediclious. did they really need to score over 200 points to win they could have stoped after 100 and would have won. so to back up my mentor this is not a rediclious statement at all if you think about it.
You guys gave us "the best offensive robot award"...

with that said i would like for you to reread what i said concerning why we scored those points... you obviously missed our reasoning for doing it.

On another note, if you have ever driven or been on a drive team (u dont sound like you have) you should understand that u dont really watch what the other alliance does for points when you scoring. You are just trying to do your best to play the game.

Now can we please get on with positive discussion because this bashing of our alliance is starting to hurt, really. We tried our best and the only unsportsmanship going on is u saying we deliberately humiliated another alliance. You ARE mistaken in your words for you do not know what was going through our head when we were playing that match.

Petey 05-03-2007 23:13
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Originally Posted by teenmisfit (Post 591344)
Now can we please get on with positive discussion because this bashing of our alliance is starting to hurt, really. We tried our best and the only unsportsmanship going on is u saying we deliberately humiliated another alliance. You ARE mistaken in your words for you do not know what was going through our head when we were playing that match.
Don't worry, 501. As should be clear from this thread, this is just a case of a couple people who have a mistaken impression of 501/175's character and a wrongheaded construction of "gracious professionalism."

Neo3One3 05-03-2007 23:14
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Originally Posted by griff549 (Post 591289)
may i point out that one of the morals of first is sportsmanship and humaliating a allaince so you can have a high score is not showing good sportsmanship if u ask me. this wasnt even against my allaince and i still think it is rediclious. did they really need to score over 200 points to win they could have stoped after 100 and would have won. so to back up my mentor this is not a rediclious statement at all if you think about it.
May I ask which you would find more humiliating as a driver? Being beaten by a team who gave it their all, or being beaten by a team who stopped half way during the match because they didn't need to try anymore?

That of course, is beside the point anyway. Any driver knows (much as teenmisfit has added) that you do not see anything but your own alliance on the field, unless one of your opponents' robots is defending against you.

Lil' Lavery 05-03-2007 23:38
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Originally Posted by griff549 (Post 591289)
may i point out that one of the morals of first is sportsmanship and humaliating a allaince so you can have a high score is not showing good sportsmanship if u ask me. this wasnt even against my allaince and i still think it is rediclious. did they really need to score over 200 points to win they could have stoped after 100 and would have won. so to back up my mentor this is not a rediclious statement at all if you think about it.
As far as I'm concerned, they were only up by 16 points (a pair of spoilers can break a row of 8 into 2 rows of 3). A quantity outmatched by a single opposing robot 12" high. No actions taken by the #1 alliance were unreasonable in any train of thought, even one as flawed as yours.

griff549 06-03-2007 07:35
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Originally Posted by Neo3One3 (Post 591560)
May I ask which you would find more humiliating as a driver? Being beaten by a team who gave it their all, or being beaten by a team who stopped half way during the match because they didn't need to try anymore?

That of course, is beside the point anyway. Any driver knows (much as teenmisfit has added) that you do not see anything but your own alliance on the field, unless one of your opponents' robots is defending against you.
i would find it humilating that a team beat me by that many points i really dont understand y they needed to keep going on after i think being beatin by over 200 points would be extremly humilating

ChrisMcK2186 06-03-2007 08:09
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This is my rookie year in FIRST and I would like to say that from my interpretation of GP and "Sportsmanship", the alliance did nothing wrong! They played their best. The scoring of the ramp points was not a jab in the ribs of the other side, it was the team trying to use their 6 week project to maximum potential.

At the VCU regional, my team suffered several defeats from the same team we played every round. By the logic of this thread, after round one, the should have stopped and let us win a few. I would have been insulted that a team thinks so little of us if they did that. Instead, both of our driver teams did the best they could and we all had a nice time. The true test of the GP is after the matches. The team that slaughtered us had one member come over at the end and talk to me. He apologized for the constant barrage, saying that at each victory, they would be screaming and celebrating but would look across the pit aisle and see our team a wee bit depressed. That is the true meaning of GP. They came over after several matches and tried to figure out what they could do to help us win. Team Ackward Turtles, I salute your GP and resounding victories.

Chris

StephLee 06-03-2007 08:53
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Originally Posted by Petey (Post 591554)
Don't worry, 501. As should be clear from this thread, this is just a case of a couple people who have a mistaken impression of 501/175's character and a wrongheaded construction of "gracious professionalism."
I second that. This thread should be about congratulating the alliance on such an impressive score, not bringing them down.

Several members of the opposing alliance have already stated that they have no hard feelings towards the winners, so why is it still an issue? Those of you who feel it was done in poor sportsmanship...I'll agree to disagree: if your alliance is ever faced with this kind of win and decides against continuing to score, you can deal with it then, but it's a choice for each team and each alliance to make, not a community-wide standard.

This thread is unnecessary and surely isn't doing much except annoy everyone involved, on both sides. The arguements have been stated; they obviously aren't accepted by either side. Let's prove that GP is alive and well (in whatever form it takes for each person) and allow this thread to die, with no hard feelings. Agreeing to disagree can be a beautiful thing.

Steve W 06-03-2007 11:25
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There seems to be a lot of bashing and defending on this thread. I believe that the most gracious thing to do at this point is stop the bad vibes from spreading. I am asking Brandon to close this thread, but for now let's all cool down, ENJOY this event called FIRST and see how much we have grown this year.


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