How many keepers have been scored so far?
 

Hey all, I was wondering how many keepers have been scored by one team at a regional?

What teams are racking up the keepers? ;)

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through the 10-15 rounds ive watched i have yet to see a team score.

whats goin on??:ahh:

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1073 was the strongest at BAE, scoring 3 or 4 (maybe more, I don't remember) throughout qualifiers and eliminations

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I know at VCU one of the awesome teams from the Henrico triad scored in auton. I think it was Sparky but I am not completely sure.

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According to our database, HOT scored all but 2 times out today.

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1126 had one today.

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At VCU I think that 1610 scored 4 (but one was in practice)
540 took 3 (one in practice, in the match with 1610)
384 took 3.
and I think 1086 scored two keepers.

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My memory is hazy at the moment... this is not all of them today, but I recall seeing 79, 386, and 1902 all scoring today during practice matches.

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And that may be because they are experimenting with their program, figuring out different ways and different places to put the ringer. They came out first practice match at GLR and plopped one right on.

HOT is Back!

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2046 came out as an impressive rookie in the Pacific NW Regional. They had a pretty consistent auto mode. I don't know how many they got total, but out of the three times I saw them run auto, 2 were successful at placing keepers.

-Jeff

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I have seen about 4 to 5 keepers scored, but some robots were off, otherwise there would have been more.

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Lets remember that this thread is about KEEPERs scored in autonomous, not ringers scored in regular game play.

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So far we have scored 5 out of 6 times doing the keeper in actual matches. One almost failed and dropped to the lower spider. The one we did miss we didn't have time to calibrate the arm and it came in too low.

We feel good about our auto mode at this point.

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In NJ the only team i saw placing keepers was 25

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either there is another team that has a robot named sparky or your mistaken but team 811's robot is named sparky but we competed at GSR so unless our autonomous was so good that it went to VCU without us knowing:ahh:
but anyway here is 811'ssparky scoring in autonomous (1st video) as well as knocking over 138 (sorry)(2nd Video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=effg7ruko8s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxhiPXEUzn8

BTW to answer your question we scored twice and we will score every time in Atlanta!!!!

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384 is Sparky. To make the matter even more coincidental, the collaborated with two other teams in the "West Henrico Triad". The other members are 1086, and 540 (The Screaming Eagles). So not only does 811s share a robot name with 384, but a team name with 540 (possibly, it sounds like that's your team name from one of the videos posted). All 3 members scored at least one keeper if you count the practice day

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so far in the LA regional only one team has scored a keeper in like 40 games.

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Nope, Team 1831 was the Screaming Eagles at BAE

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no we're the Cardinals. but that is a pretty close coininsidence

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In Finger Lakes 365 and 1126 scored nearly every match, (it was a fluke if they didn't score). 73 and 424 also started scoring reliably about halfway through, and 354 and 639 each scored one.

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Today, at GLR, 1114 and 67 were in an alliance during elimination rounds. During many of them, 2 keepers were scored :eek:

However, it was typical in most qualification matches for there to be few keepers scored, especially since many teams did not have autonomous mode at all

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What i find amazing is the lack of keepers being scored in the elimination rounds at GLR. A few teams like HOT were able to put up a keeper, but i don't think any of the six robots in the final round had autonomous. One may have driven forward, but it was not attempting to put on a keeper (most obviously seen by the lack of a keeper on the robot).

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In Arizona 39 put up a keeper 90% of the time on Saturday.

In addition, 1401 put up at least 1 (maybe 2), and 1696 got one up as well.

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Three teams tried--696, 1388, and 330 all made attempts. I think maybe 1622 made an attempt. 330 made one and missed another by about half an inch--and failed to release a third, at which point the head ref came out and pulled it out of our grasp. (not all in the same roung, of course)

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Do keepers scored on our practice field count? ;)

525 scored quite a few keepers at St. Louis, but other than that there weren't very many. I think most teams deemed autonomus inconsequential, perhaps because of the lack of bonus points.

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Both these teams scored keepers pretty consistently through qualifications. They both scored keepers in the two rounds of the quarterfinals, and as I recall one keeper was scored in their first semifinal.

33 also scored at least 1 keeper, maybe more. I think 326 also scored one, and had one cut away because it wasn't supported on the spider leg when auto ended.

1023 and 201 attempted keepers, but in my recollection didn't score.

Please correct me if I'm wrong or forgot anyone.

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You're correct as far as I know. However, in the Finals, none of the six robots utilized an autonomous mode...unless they just drove forward.

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at glr----- was it the position of rack that keep 1114 and 67 from doubling up that last match. was light in just the right spot to mess them up.

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I think we are going to see a lot more at the Championships.

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Team 1629 scored very consistantly on the practice field, but couldn't seem to make it work on the field.

At Pittsburgh:
1038 scored almost every time
375 also had a fairly consistant auto mode through qualifications, but couldn't seem to get it to work in the semi-finals.

That's all i can remember for now.

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Unfortunately, atlot of 'not so good' things happened in our last match at GLR.

Not sure why 1114's machine did not score their keeper that match. Probably because it had to drive across the field to get to that light.

The reason we did not score that last match was completely our own fault. The first thing during autonomous is the arm is raised and the end effector flips out. We forgot to hook up the strap that pulls out the end effector. So needless to say it didn't flip out and the keeper was blocking the camera.

Other then that we scored every keeper we tried on Saturday.

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1114 couldn't score that keeper because, by the time they got to the bottom-level spider they were aiming for, 67 had already scored a keeper on the middle-level spider just above and 67's arm was in the way of 1114 being able to score. 1114 seemed to have trouble getting track on the lamp because it was across the field and at a troublesome angle to their starting position. For that reason, it took longer than usual for them to reach the spider and they arrived after 67.

Another interesting thing about that match: an opposing alliance bot - not sure which team - drove around to meet 67 in an autonomous defensive manuever - something we'd seen a number of teams do and something I was worried about. That move was not successful and 67 scored anyway.

In the previous match, 1114 tracked directly to a bottom-level spider and scored quickly. Then 67 reached the middle-level spider just above and scored. Two keepers - one just above the other - that was a thrilling sight to see!

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In the LA Regional the only team, to my knowledge, that scored in autonomous was 330 the Beach Bots. We got extremely close a few times. Of course those attempts were once we shut off the camera, pointed the robot at the rack and hoped the judges turned the rack to our advantage. We had to turn off our camera because we couldn't get the camera values to lock onto the green light and not the bright lights over the arena. We went around the first day asking teams if they had or used cameras. We found that about six teams had cameras at all, one team besides ourselves had one ready to use, two teams said that they'll be working by the end of the day and the rest said they were just for decoration. I think that 330, the only team that scored in autonomous didn't have a camera (correct me if I'm wrong). We're hoping the situation in San Diego will be better.

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We managed to finish the set point on Thursday. the autonomous was working just fine on the practice field Thursday night. but Friday morning in the filed the camper couldn't find the green light becks of really bright sealing lights. after working with the camera on Friday, we scored 10 times on Saturday (almost every single time.) , i think we missed it two times because the keeper wasn't preloaded correctly.
as you saw we were only scoring on the bottom row in front of us, but in Vegas we are going for the middle row, and maybe on sides of the rack so if there is another robot with autonomous in our side, we won't interfere.
:D :D :D :D

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At the florida regional we made 7 of 8 times in the qualifying rounds with the one failing did so because we did not recalibrate the arm (ran out of time).

In the finals we did 6 of 8 because there was no time to adjust the camera with it causing us to come short.

But overall 13 out of 16 times I felt good about it. Failures we do to adjustments needed, we are trying to solve that so we can have 100%.

Auto mode did make a difference.

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We Scored 3 of the 8 in the Qualifing matches that we were in and scored twice in the elimiation rounds. We are going to improve auton, until are next competition in West Michigan. We hope to show a lot better and hope to see a lot more keepers put up.

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Beach Bots was the only team to do it at LA

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Quite correct. No camera on the robot, just take aim and hope the refs turn the rack right for us.

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Team Voltage 386 in the Central Florida Regional:

Center Best: 6 of 7 attempts (sweet spot)
Reverse Score: 0 of 1 attempt
Side Score: 0 of 3 attempts

We won our first qualifier (Q9) with a score of 2 to 0 with only the KEEPER on the rack!

The one we missed was due to the foot swinging side to side in time with our autonomous retry. We went at it 2 or 3 times and it was always not in the center of the swing. An opposition 'bot had slammed the rack from the other side.

Reverse Score was driving backwards to the FAR side of the field, turn to face the rack, locate the light and go to score. We ended up coming in the edge of the side foot and missed our EASY button scoring trigger. We ran this Friday in our last qualifier as we were allied with Exploding Bacon (1902) and we knew from a practice with them that we'd collide in the center if we did our preferred approach.

Side Score was a newly written mode Saturday morning just in case we ended up in the finals with an autonomous partner (like 1902, which we did as a substitute for 108). We were supposed to back out, back turn into the rail, locate the light, and go in to score. Unfortunately, we turned forwards into the rack and were too close to maneuver to score. Came REALLY CLOSE all three times though!

We will be in Palmetto with corrections for the spider side miss and will have corrected the turns for Side Score. Watch for us!

Lynn (D) - Team Voltage 386 Software & Coach

PS. According to Dennis, the field chief, we had the best autonomous mode in the competition, but I'd have to say that 1902 ran a really close second!

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We made an attempt every match, but only once did we actually put it over the spyder leg.

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Today 1629 scored the first keeper at Chesapeake.:D 165 also scored in the same match. Then we scored again during our second Quarter-final match.

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648 scored 6 keepers throughout competition at the Midwest Regional. However, we were the only team to successfully move towards the rack with a keeper, I believe. We also got three in a row during eliminations.

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I believe that we scored a total of 6 or 7 times at the UTC regional... i don't really know.

thats pretty good considering that our robot's drive train and arm were shot for the first 5 matches...

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1369 got on 4 keepers (that I saw/recall) in the elimination round at peachtree today. I'm sure they got on others that I didn't see too.

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Detroit regional, based on what matches I could see (because my duties usually made me very busy around the start of the matches):

1718 scored frequently
33 scored at least once
314 at least once, after an agonizingly long wait till the last seconds of auton before they dropped
397 - did they score?
217 and 2283 tried, but never scored

I think I'm forgetting someone. Sorry.

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At the Florida regional I kept track of the wins versus keeper hanging. I discovered that every time a keeper was hung on the rack, that alliance won the match.
There was only one exception during the qualifying matches. Thus for 68 matches played, only one time that a keeper was on the rack did the alliance lose the match. This gives a 98% win record for an alliance that hung a keeper.

Now, we only saw about 20 successful keeper hangings. Thus, using this as the statistic base, an alliance still has a 95% chance of a win by hanging a keeper. With such a high percentage, I am surprised that more teams do not at least attempt the keeper hanging.

Does anyone have statistics on the other regionals?

I predict that hanging a keeper will be attempted at the nationals on every match.

Jerry w

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I suspect that robots that can hang keepers are pretty good robots. There is likely a correlation due to that, more than due to the importance of keepers on the final score.


fyp ;)

I'd guess something like 20-40% of the teams at the Championship will be able to score keepers more or less successfully. There's a lot of ramp-bots that have qualified, and a lot of hanger-bots that don't have auto. Given 6 teams on the field at any time, chances are one of them would have an auto-mode. But there will be a significant number of matches without any keepers attempted.

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Us (67) and 1114 were very consistant with Keeper scoring at GLR, hopefully it can be kept up at West Michigan. Although I don't remember the actual percentage, I believe 33 attempted everytime, and scored many times as well (A lot has happened since GLR)

I hope we can stay consistant at West Michigan.

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At Silicon Valley Regional, there was only 1 keeper scored the whole regional. This was by team 846 the funky monkeys

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Alot were scored at UTC. 230, 1124, 716, 25, 40, and a few others got them onto the rack a few times.

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1718 was very consistant with their keepers. I believe i saw 1 time that they did not score in auto

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The best autonomous score I've seen was 648. The robot had a crab drive system, so it went up to the rack, and then tied to put down the tube on the 2nd rung. The tube dropped vertically off it. The announcer had the time to say, "Oh, looks like it won't be scored." The tube then hits the ground, bounces up and onto the first rung. It happened to also be the first score at the Midwest regional.

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At Boilermaker, the #1 seeded team (1730, Team Driven from Lee's Summit, Missouri) was also the most effective scorer of keepers. I don't recall the number of keepers they scored, but I do recall that they attempted a keeper every time they took the field and succeeded much more often than they failed. Their 10-1 qualifying record and their regional win with 234/1555 speak (loudly) to support Gary's suspicion.

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While I have no actual data to back things up, Gary's data does seem to suggest that the extra ring on the rack is very important.

It would not surprise me to see keeper defense being played at the championships.

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Actually I was arguing the opposite. That individual keeper wasn't the deciding factor, although it certainly can help. I saw one match at Detroit where the opponents were going to attempt to put on a spoiler, and the best place for it would have been in the keeper position. So the keeper made a small portion of the score (row of 3 plus a single, vs 2 rows of 4). I don't recall whether the spoiler actually was placed, though.

My point was that a team that had time to program keeper placement, and do it well, probably built a good robot that could score a lot of ringers in tele-mode.

903 had a good defense pattern that they ran at Detroit - but with the few attempts at keepers, it had no effect. I would also expect to see a lot of defensive bots run a keeper-intercept pattern.

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To correlate with Gary's information, we won all but one match that we scored a keeper on and that loss was the first match (by 2 points) in which we were the only ones that could score.

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We definately felt there was a momentum shift (or drive) when we scored keepers vs. when we missed. There were only a couple time when we missed by a lot (ie. the keeper fell on the way to the rack) but most times we were inches of making it- if not actually making it. Twice our suction cup didn't release and the keeper didn't drop- but we got it the entire way there. We have the distiction of being Cut-off twice- Once in the Regional and once during the Winter War Zone Scrimmage. (Not sure who else can claim that this year!!! :) )

So momentum and excitement seemed to play a big part in the rest of the match and that "ahhh... almost made it" let down may have helped do the opposite.

All in all- I was surprised to see so many teams not even try. FIRST should have made them more worth the time, effort and accomplishment- Point wise. (this may have given the proper incentive for more teams to spend the time perfecting autonomous scoring)

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Yeh
That was very lucky, as one of the programmers responsible for our autonomous mode, it was very tough to get it to work reliably. In the eliminations, after a couple of quick tweaks, we got it to work fairly consistant (3 in a row), but after getting bashed up quite a bit in the end of the semis or finals, (I cant remember when) the front drive wheels got tweaked off course and it all went downhill from there.
Malhon Godwin