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Wayne C. 10-03-2007 16:57
pic: A Successful Cap in Auto
 

Dave McLaughlin 10-03-2007 16:58
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Nice job, did you use the camera, or were you to a juggernaught?

nuggetsyl 10-03-2007 17:05
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we used a camera and sonic sencors

Graham Donaldson 12-03-2007 10:11
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One of the things I noticed throughout NJ that was almost aggravating to me was how many teams didn't drop their keepers at the end of autonomous, regardless of where they were. Not only is it technically a rule that you have to drop your keeper, but there were many times where if teams had just dropped their keeper, it may have just landed on the spider leg and counted. There was, in fact, one instance where 375 had their keeper DIRECTLY ABOVE the spider foot, but didn't release it. When teleoperated began, they released their keeper before moving. It landed on the spider leg, and the match had to be restarted because the keeper shouldn't have counted. This is my plea to teams: please, DROP YOUR KEEPERS at the end of autonomous- you may just score them.

65_Xero_Huskie 12-03-2007 10:17
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Originally Posted by robotcanuck1676 (Post 595636)
One of the things I noticed throughout NJ that was almost aggravating to me was how many teams didn't drop their keepers at the end of autonomous, regardless of where they were. Not only is it technically a rule that you have to drop your keeper, but there were many times where if teams had just dropped their keeper, it may have just landed on the spider leg and counted. There was, in fact, one instance where 375 had their keeper DIRECTLY ABOVE the spider foot, but didn't release it. When teleoperated began, they released their keeper before moving. It landed on the spider leg, and the match had to be restarted because the keeper shouldn't have counted. This is my plea to teams: please, DROP YOUR KEEPERS at the end of autonomous- you may just score them.

Technically, the rule is that if the tube is touching the spider leg and if it would be unsupported by the robot and still be touching the leg, then it was considered scored. So you dont have to let go of the tube if it is supported by the spiderleg in any way.

Graham Donaldson 12-03-2007 10:18
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Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 595642)
Technically, the rule is that if the tube is touching the spider leg and if it would be unsupported by the robot and still be touching the leg, then it was considered scored. So you dont have to let go of the tube if it is supported by the spiderleg in any way.
At least in 375's case (I can't be sure of others), they had their keeper held RIGHT ABOVE but NOT touching the spider leg- just sitting over it. If they had dropped it, it would've counted.

65_Xero_Huskie 12-03-2007 10:20
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Originally Posted by robotcanuck1676 (Post 595645)
At least in 375's case (I can't be sure of others), they had their keeper held RIGHT ABOVE but NOT touching the spider leg- just sitting over it. If they had dropped it, it would've counted.
The head ref did an "example" of what was considered scored (At GLR). He said that if the top of the hole was touching the leg then it was counted. I dont know about other regionals but this seems to be a good idea.

ldeffenb 12-03-2007 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robotcanuck1676 (Post 595636)
This is my plea to teams: please, DROP YOUR KEEPERS at the end of autonomous- you may just score them.
Team Voltage's software group made that decision early on when we read the rules. Why should the drive team have to remember to drop the keeper first? We built a 14 second timer into autonomous to trigger the "score" sequence regardless of where we thought we were. At least it drops the keeper.

Turns out we didn't need it much though. We scored 6 of 8 attempts at our "sweet spot" autonomous. Our finals autonomous was brand new on Saturday morning to make us more compatible with the minor rack rotations and being allied with an autonomous-capable partner. If you watch the finals from the Florida Regional, you'll see just how close we came for our first ever executions!

Lynn (D) - Team Voltage Software and Coach

ldeffenb 12-03-2007 17:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robotcanuck1676 (Post 595636)
This is my plea to teams: please, DROP YOUR KEEPERS at the end of autonomous- you may just score them.
Team Voltage's software group made that decision early on when we read the rules. Why should the drive team have to remember to drop the keeper first? We built a 14 second timer into autonomous to trigger the "score" sequence regardless of where we thought we were. At least it drops the keeper.

Turns out we didn't need it much though. We scored 6 of 8 attempts at our "sweet spot" autonomous. Our finals autonomous was brand new on Saturday morning to make us more compatible with the minor rack rotations and being allied with an autonomous-capable partner. If you watch the finals from the Florida Regional, you'll see just how close we came for our first ever executions!

Lynn (D) - Team Voltage Software and Coach

Starke 12-03-2007 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robotcanuck1676 (Post 595636)
One of the things I noticed throughout NJ that was almost aggravating to me was how many teams didn't drop their keepers at the end of autonomous, regardless of where they were. Not only is it technically a rule that you have to drop your keeper, but there were many times where if teams had just dropped their keeper, it may have just landed on the spider leg and counted.
At the Finger Lakes Regional, the referees physically took the keepers from robots that did not score them in autonomous before the teleoperated period began. There seems to be a lack of consistency.

ldeffenb 12-03-2007 19:04
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Originally Posted by Starke340 (Post 596033)
At the Finger Lakes Regional, the referees physically took the keepers from robots that did not score them in autonomous before the teleoperated period began. There seems to be a lack of consistency.
At the Florida Regional, they seemed to only take away the Keepers that were too close to being scored. If the keeper dropped to the floor or inside the rack, they just left it sit and continued the match.

In one of the semi-finals, the referee entered the field and was removing the keeper when the signal for tele-operated play sounded anyway. You should have seen him scrambling to get off the field!

Lynn (D) - Team Voltage 386

PS. Sorry about the previous duplicate post. I was called away from my PC and didn't realize it had already posted once and now I can't find a way to delete it!

Tetraman 12-03-2007 19:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Starke340 (Post 596033)
At the Finger Lakes Regional, the referees physically took the keepers from robots that did not score them in autonomous before the teleoperated period began. There seems to be a lack of consistency.
The refs told me they had a reason and rhyme to removing the keepers, but I forgot. It was something about if the keeper moved in the gripper it was taken out.

Graham Donaldson 12-03-2007 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Starke340 (Post 596033)
At the Finger Lakes Regional, the referees physically took the keepers from robots that did not score them in autonomous before the teleoperated period began. There seems to be a lack of consistency.
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Originally Posted by ldeffenb (Post 596087)
At the Florida Regional, they seemed to only take away the Keepers that were too close to being scored. If the keeper dropped to the floor or inside the rack, they just left it sit and continued the match.
That seemed to be the rule of thumb at NJ, Lynn- if they were really close, they would take/pull them away. 375's incident was the first and only time it ever happened (that I remember)- most teams were pretty good about dropping it ASAP, and I think 375 was more a freak accident than anything else.

AV_guy007 12-03-2007 20:10
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I agree it is a very good I idea to drop your keeper at the end of autonomous. At NJ a team dropped their keeper while attempting to score on the middle spider and ended up capping it on the lowest one:yikes: . (I can't remember witch team, If you know i wold love to be informed.)

Kristian Calhoun 12-03-2007 20:15
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Originally Posted by AV_guy007 (Post 596161)
I agree it is a very good I idea to drop your keeper at the end of autonomous. At NJ a team dropped their keeper while attempting to score on the middle spider and ended up capping it on the lowest one:yikes: . (I can't remember witch team, If you know i wold love to be informed.)
That was us, Team 25, during Finals match 2.


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