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a yellow card was given to team 122, but it wasn't for rough play, it was for repeated deployment of ramp out of the home zone.

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I think maybe one yellow card with given at GLR (but I didn't see who it was...just word of mouth). I think teams did a really good job with defense. We were told not to mess with robots unless they were trying to score. We have a pretty vulnerable pickup mechanism, and most teams respected our robot and didn't run it over to break it. The only time they roughed us up (and I did it to others) was when scoring was occurring/being attempted.

Re: Rough Play in Rack N Roll
 

I don't know.
I didn't see naything rougher this year than last year where teams would race full speed across the field to stop free shooters from scoring.
The roughest play I've seen is robots getting snagged in the rack and tearing themselves apart trying to get out of it.

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yeah, we got stuck in the rack a couple of times, but we were pushed in and thought that that would be called for rough play. but w/e

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In eliminations 843 got a yellow card one match and a red card a bit later.

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How could 843 get a red card and still win the regional...

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Is roughness necessarily a bad thing?

Pre 2005ish, you built your robot to last. Now, we have bumpers. I really hope thats not an excuse for shoddy workmanship.

Re: Rough Play in Rack N Roll
 

getting a red card during eliminations makes your alliance lose that match, but you can win the next one. look at the VCU finals...blue won the first finals round, red carded in the second, and won the third to take the regional.

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There was a yellow card given in SoCal during the Elimination rounds. Not sure what for. As for rough play I don't believe there was any. Agressive defence, FOR SURE!!!! Some of the toughest defence was Team 4 (our hosts) against us in the semi's. We were pushed, shoved, banged, hit and bothered the whole time every match. We would not have wanted it any other way. Even though we lost to the eventual SoCal Champs (Poofs, BeachBots and Team Element) I believe they were the best matches of the tournament. FIRST is not for the weak at heart. You need to be tough to survive. That doesn't mean dirty play or intent to damage. I know that I would like to thank our opponents for making it hard fought matches with a lot to remember. :)

Re: Rough Play in Rack N Roll
 

If only. 868's pickup mechanism is fairly robust, but out of necessity, it's mounted close to the ground and there are no bumpers protecting it. What bothers me is that it's entirely within our 28"x37" envelope. I can understand pushing us, but it goes a bit too far when you're trying to push us by our kicker wheel. One match had us in a pushing contest, and our pickup mechanism got a bit crooked. We bent it back (and have since reinforced it), but that could have been a huge handicap during the match.

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In the Bayou regional Semi-finals Team 118 basically shoved Bogalousa team off a ramp when it was going up. I have no beef with 118 ( actually i have a small beef with Bogalousa because they only got into the match because of another robot coming out, and they were only that high because they got good partners, while things just kept happening to us. But i guess it happens to everyone) but i think team 118 should have gotten a yellow card, or atleast a penalty, because they waited for them to start to go up, then pushed them off.

Re: Rough Play in Rack N Roll
 

At Pittsburgh there was only one yellow flag given out to a robot, however, in my opinion there were many more infractions similar to the one that recieved the yellow that could have been called. My only concern is consistency. If you are going to let robots play rough defense then be consistent and let all robots play rough from the practice matches to the elimination rounds.

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A yellow card was given during the semi-finals of the FLordia Regional to team 744 when they rammed us a second time - the first time, the ref held up his hand in like a warning gesture, but the second time [when we got hit so hard, our arm swung around and almost knocked out said ref] he pulled a yellow card. That was the only one I noticed at the Florida Regional...

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Yeah, that was us. We tried to do a 0-degree turn, and ended up swinging our arm around. We made contact with another robot (on our own alliance, mind you) outside the bumper zone, and were issued the flag/card.

Later, one of our casters got bent in (we had two-wheel drive with four casters), so we were effectively operating without any contact on one of the corners. We ended up almost killing a referee later in that match (our turning seemed to have some issues), and almost got carded again. I managed to talk the head referee out of giving us one, mentioning the bent caster.

What surprised me was that being the only team with a yellow flag, that they wouldn't just let us keep the flag in the flag holder (despite them having more than a dozen) -- we almost forgot on numerous occasions to request the yellow flag.

I definitely agree though with respect to the lack of consistency in the refereeing -- there were a lot of other teams (especially in qualifying matches) doing similar, if not worse contact with other robots, yet they weren't penalized. Admittedly, our match when we got carded was in the second match of the day, so maybe they didn't know what to expect.

Regardless, if they carded us, they should have carded other teams who did the same thing. Just my thoughts.

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At the Bayou Regional, our robot's wooden arm got stuck on a ringer while I was placing the ringer. While I was trying to get it unstuck, a robot ( I can't even remember what team now) rammed into us at full speed and snapped the arm in two. Luckily, it was fairly easy to fix.