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fluffy 13-03-2007 18:13

How many Inventorians?
 
As a first year Inventorian, I wondered how many people do inventor on other teams...

CraigHickman 13-03-2007 18:14

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
We don't touch tools until the bot is fuly designed. That way we come out with a much more manageable bot, and we can test plausiblity of all our crazy ideas before we waste metal. Plus it's better preparation for the real world.

fluffy 13-03-2007 18:18

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
this year, I drew the robot after it was designed and tried to keep ahead of its manufacturing, but ultimately fell behind :( and finished after the robot was done. As I was the only one drawing, it took a looooong time, and I still never really finished :(

Fireworks 234 13-03-2007 18:24

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
On Cyber Blue we are usually cadding up the drive first and as soon as that is done we start building the drive and cadding the rest of the robot. We found this to be the best use of our time.

We, for the first time ever, have about 6 inventor students helping to make the robot. This is very relieving for us since it was taking forever to get things done. I just hope that the students next year continue the Inventor group of 6+ because it helps a lot.

Robert Thacker- 13-03-2007 18:35

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
During the past 3 years, we only had 3 CADDers. We won the award with only three of us. This year, we have four people. Mostly because two of us will be leaving and we need to train more people for the program.

115inventorsam 13-03-2007 18:42

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
There's not too many of them on our team, most of them rarely do Inventor.
But I'm among the few that really spend a lot of time on Inventor, though for me it was mostly for the manipulator.

I'm also a first year Inventorian, I got good training from our officers, and I ended up doing quite a lot of inventorizing during build, which is why I am also Mr. Inventorizer:p

Sean Marks 13-03-2007 18:44

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Our Inventor team was 4 Freshman this year. It was tough at the beginning seeing as being rookies we didnt know to much, but we caught up quickly. Even though we didnt finish before the robot. We designed most of the robot at the very beginning. It turned out really well and im proud of what we came up with for our first year.:D

Here's a link: http://http://www.mumupsi.com/inventor/index.htm

Sean

pyrome 13-03-2007 19:15

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Team 852 uses SolidWorks to model every single part made on the machines (even spacers). By the end of the season we have a working 3D model of the robot to play around with.

=Martin=Taylor= 13-03-2007 19:32

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
I do all the design CADing - by which I mean I draw things that need to be machined. Since I do most of the machining this is logical.

I didin't do very much on the submission this year. We have about 4 people who work on the submission and they did a very good job. Most of the other CADers are animators, who work on the AIA submission after submitting the animation.

We CAD the whole robot before building, but we do a lot of "adjusting" in the machine shop - so what we draw often doesn't resemble what we built.

By the way, where can I view the AIA submissions?

rachal 13-03-2007 21:19

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
There are actually around 7 or 8 cadders on 1072 but they are very slow and don't have much experience with designing. I, being a rather impatient and fast cadder, would take the parts that they couldn't do well/in time, and ended up doing everything. For one thing, it took too long to finish the cad because I had other obligations and could only work on one thing at a time, and for another, we had a couple of annoying (although fortunately not critical) design flaws because there was no one to look over the cad closely enough to catch errors. Looking back on the season, I realized that (a) the new cadders did not get enough experience and (b) I was completely burnt out after all that cad. We will definitely invest more time into training the new cadders next year.

negfrequency 13-03-2007 23:51

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 114ManualLabor (Post 596806)
We don't touch tools until the bot is fuly designed. That way we come out with a much more manageable bot, and we can test plausiblity of all our crazy ideas before we waste metal. Plus it's better preparation for the real world.

same is true with us. Really all cad has to be done before a system can be integrated. There was one exception with the drive train this year, where we designed a drive train to allow an omni or 4 wheel drive to accommodate the drivers preference.

my team is decent with inventor, but sometimes they make constraint errors so sometimes i have to lean over their shoulders:)

Peter Matteson 14-03-2007 07:54

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Too many of the students graduate this year. We may be in trouble next year for our CAD team because the engineers, myself included, are all Pro/E Wildfire users and don't know anything about inventor to get the new students started.

Eric Scheuing 14-03-2007 11:14

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 597226)
Too many of the students graduate this year. We may be in trouble next year for our CAD team because the engineers, myself included, are all Pro/E Wildfire users and don't know anything about inventor to get the new students started.

All four of us actually. There are some kids who know something about Inventor though. Spike is taking the CADD class right now (I just so happen to be posting from his computer). Eddie is taking it as well. I know Bigman is pretty good, and we may have someone joining next year who knows what he's doing. Besides, Jake is taking a year off before college so he can come and teach everyone.

Madison 14-03-2007 11:49

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 597226)
Too many of the students graduate this year. We may be in trouble next year for our CAD team because the engineers, myself included, are all Pro/E Wildfire users and don't know anything about inventor to get the new students started.

It's easy -- just reverse your whole workflow :)

kramarczyk 14-03-2007 14:11

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 597226)
Too many of the students graduate this year. We may be in trouble next year for our CAD team because the engineers, myself included, are all Pro/E Wildfire users and don't know anything about inventor to get the new students started.

It shouldn't be too hard to make the hop... we jumped to inventor ~1/17 :yikes: with 4 guys (2 students, 2 mentors) and had a decent model to build from.

None of us had seen inventor before kick-off. Keeping everyone headed in the same direction seems more important to success than the software itself.

I'd try an jump in slightly earlier than we did though. :)

Peter Matteson 14-03-2007 14:20

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kramarczyk (Post 597487)
It shouldn't be too hard to make the hop... we jumped to inventor ~1/17 :yikes: with 4 guys (2 students, 2 mentors) and had a decent model to build from.

None of us had seen inventor before kick-off. Keeping everyone headed in the same direction seems more important to success than the software itself.

I'd try an jump in slightly earlier than we did though. :)

Yeah we could make the jump and learn but my goal is to never have to do any of the CAD work for our team:D . The last 2 years students did it all I got spoiled. Like Scheuing said we'll have a few students trained and ready. I'm just really proud of where our students got so quickly with their ability to use the software and know their contributions will be missed.

Robert Thacker- 14-03-2007 15:54

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
We didn't have any mentors on the design crew at all this year. The past few years we had one, Pete Keiselbach, but this year it was just us. Only the students work on the submission and actually our past mentor never touched the actual CAD modeling. We beleive it should be completely student controlled and it works out very well for us that way.

RKElectricalman 14-03-2007 22:24

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
For our team we just have one main guy, Rick, doing all the cadding, even though we have 40+ students from our inventor classes that could do it, we just take the more dedicated students and let them do it. On the team we only have 3 people that are fully trained in Inventor, and more of the sophmores are taking the class next year, and some of the freshman are as well, but as we do every year we're only going to have 3 main cadders (even though I don't really do any cad work, unless if highly neccesary). Rick takes full pride in doing all of his work, and requests no help. He usually finishes with or before the robot. Galen just sits there and learns from Rick, and I show Rick a few short cuts that he's never heard of.

so I'll say we have 3 cadders 33.33% of which are actually being used :P

Stvn 15-03-2007 01:19

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Last year, we took pictures of our robot with rulers next to it so we could CAD it after ship. Luckily, we did the CAD before the robot this year.

Molten 15-03-2007 09:10

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
I design the frame on the computer. Then while others are working on making it, I discuss the ideas that the team has came up with and make simple models to test whether it will work and to help define dimensions. I would like to do more on Inventor, but I just do not have time to do it all alone.:(

petek 15-03-2007 09:29

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Thacker- (Post 597564)
We didn't have any mentors on the design crew at all this year. The past few years we had one, Pete Kieselbach, but this year it was just us. Only the students work on the submission and actually our past mentor never touched the actual CAD modeling. We beleive it should be completely student controlled and it works out very well for us that way.

I love it when things work according to plan! Working yourself out of a job can be so gratifying. :D The proof will be next year, when Rob and Mike are gone - will this year's freshmen be ready to fill your shoes, or will I have to go back to work?

JasJ002 15-03-2007 10:15

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
The amount of people you have on your team means very little. It's been proven in the past that a 3 man team can beat a 5+ man team. Inventor isn't simply based on manpower, because the program is so intraquite you can have one person who works really well do the job of three people.

Robert Thacker- 15-03-2007 18:30

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Just so you guys know, it was the freshmen that did the wiring and tubing on the robot this year. Also, one of them did the Tower System.

No petek, you can continue to hibernate. We will be fine! lol.

The Wiring Page

negfrequency 15-03-2007 19:37

Re: How many Inventorians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kramarczyk (Post 597487)
It shouldn't be too hard to make the hop... we jumped to inventor ~1/17 :yikes: with 4 guys (2 students, 2 mentors) and had a decent model to build from.

None of us had seen inventor before kick-off. Keeping everyone headed in the same direction seems more important to success than the software itself.

I'd try an jump in slightly earlier than we did though. :)

hahaaa i know exactly what you mean:yikes:


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