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Steve_Alaniz 21-03-2007 08:56

You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
Hi All,
Hey I notice a lot of teams out there accept their invitation to an alliance by saying "Team xxxx Graciously accepts your invitation" (xxxx = your team number smartie!) This is a contradiction of terms. Gracious is one of those adjectives you cannot apply to yourself. Others have to apply it to you. Calling your own action gracious is a form of self praise, being a bit presumptuous and lacking the humility that goes along with tact and courtesy. So you can never really self apply the word "Gracious". It's like saying "We silently accept".
Yes I KNOW what you mean and I agree that the spirit and understanding among FIRSTies (Is that a word?) is that the acceptance is in the spirit of gracious professionalism. SO why am I bothering if we all understand?
OK Here's the deal. It's bad English. Your English teachers might start dumping essays on FIRST team members over the regional weekends if they hear you misuse "Gracious".
Just kidding, they'd never do that.
The bigger reason is simple. The media usually show up at the finals hoping for a story. If they could accurately predict the timing they would show up for the last round of the last match...(Sorry kids, good news don't sell newspapers and FIRST is always good news!) But I have seen them there for the alliance picks. These are men and women who have been savaged by unscrupulous modifiers of otherwise perfect text, AKA Editors. They will pick up immediately that you are misusing "Gracious" and if they are really mean will quote you so that the Editor can't correct it and well... your school will come across as one that teaches robotic but whose students ain't got no sense of good grammar.
It's far safer to "...Happily accept your gracious invitation..." or "...Gratefully accept your invitation..." something that doesn't sacrifice proper wording and yet still shows the spirit of FIRST.
Having said all this, if someone can demonstrate that "Gracious" actually CAN correctly be used as a self description, then I will "Graciously stand corrected."

JUST A THOUGHT!

Best wishes

Steve Alaniz

65_Xero_Huskie 21-03-2007 09:00

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
uhm...wow?

When the person says this they are showing that their TEAM is accepting the offer graciously. not them, they are a representative so it makes it alright to say that. Its the same as saying "Team xxxx accepts your iinvitation with great honor".

Travis Hoffman 21-03-2007 09:03

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
This topic has been covered before. Go here for all the fun....

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ciously+accept

Libby K 21-03-2007 09:06

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
I'm a personal fan of "Team XXXX accepts Team XXXX's gracious offer."

or ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 475026)
Instead of "Team XXXX graciously accepts" how about just a big "yeaaaahhhhh!" ?


ALIBI 21-03-2007 09:07

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
"In the spirit of Gracious Professionalism, Team XXXX accepts your invitation."

Taylor 21-03-2007 09:11

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
"Thanks for thinking of us, it would be WICKED AWESOME to join you guys."
-paraphrased from 166.

Steve_Alaniz 21-03-2007 09:11

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie (Post 602272)
uhm...wow?

When the person says this they are showing that their TEAM is accepting the offer graciously. not them, they are a representative so it makes it alright to say that. Its the same as saying "Team xxxx accepts your iinvitation with great honor".

No... if you are part of the team, calling your team gracious is the same as calling yourself gracious. As you said, you ARE the entire team's representative.
Accepting "with great honor" is also bad English because the meaning is ambiguous (Who's being honored? and who's honoring them? and who's on FIRST! (sorry...))"... you are "Honored to accept..." I'm not saying people don't say it the way you propose... but it's incorrect.
So I stand by my comment for the moment... but ever ready to accept correction.

Steve Alaniz

dpraedan 21-03-2007 09:15

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boiler (Post 602278)
"Thanks for thinking of us, it would be WICKED AWESOME to join you guys."
-paraphrased from 166.

We did that when we were in SVR, thought it'd be fun to bring a little of the east coast out west with us :P

Steve_Alaniz 21-03-2007 09:16

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T. Hoffman (Post 602273)
This topic has been covered before. Go here for all the fun....

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ciously+accept

Whoa! MY APOLOGIES!
I didn't see that thread! Still the fact that this is continuing to happen means it still needs to be dealt with. All I can say is, you wouldn't violate the rules for programming language no need to violate the rules of the English language.

Steve Alaniz

Jack Jones 21-03-2007 09:17

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
I totally agree. It's the kind of thing up with which I am fed!

Rohith Surampudi 21-03-2007 09:19

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
hehehe, or one could use the answer 237 used at NJ..." Team 237 would like to accept with a YEAH!":p

Steve_Alaniz 21-03-2007 09:21

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Jones (Post 602283)
I totally agree. It's the kind of thing up with which I am fed!

Touche!

Steve Alaniz

Beth Sweet 21-03-2007 09:58

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
For the record "Heck yeah man!" is not the best response to an alliance request either... (Wisconsin 06...)

fredliu168 21-03-2007 10:03

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
my way of accepting is:

"omg omg omg you actually picked us... omg we accept"

but of course... thats VEX

DavidGitz 21-03-2007 10:06

Re: You Cannot Graciously Accept
 
how about:
"It is a Glorious day to die!"-Worf


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