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Pavan Dave 01-04-2007 00:02

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2158 at Lone Star will win Rookie all star. Call it just a feeling, but I know the founding mentor from that team, and he's got as good a feel about this stuff as anyone. And the video they posted of their scorer was sweet.
They were a STRONG team except they got stuck with either BAD alliance partners or GOOD opponents. Unfortunately it seemed that when people were picking alliance partners, some of the teams were not prepared and went off of the chart. If anyone did their scouting homework and saw these TIN CANs teach the rack a thing or two* they would have been a first round pick.

*They scored 8 in a row by themselves on Thursday.

But that is why I make the big bucks: To see black and white where others see only shades of gray.

Let me start with a cheeky quote from a tipster that was my favorite before he got so brazened:
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118 vs. 148. Robonauts v. Robowranglers. Both teams were clearly the best scoring teams at their previous regionals, but both got stopped in the finals. Can either pull it out in the clash of the titans here?
Both should now have autonomous (or at least will be attempting it). 118s driver really couldn't handle the machine in Bayou, but he's had a couple weeks to practice since then. He might even, perhaps, bust out the high gear on that "V6" (which they never even touched in New Orleans). 148 would have likely won St. Louis if 217's arm didn't break, but it did, and the Techokitties stopped 148 from busting out any big rows, topping them in 2 matches. 148 was the best, yet for some reason almost un-heralded scorer in Week 1, vanishing behind the success of Raider Robotix in Jersey. 118 drew tons of pre-ship attention with their posts and video about their drive and practice robot. All 148 posted was a pretty plain picture of a 6WD frame with IFI wheels and AM shifters. Will CD continue to ignore this dominant Texas scoring machine?
Did you catch those two matches 118 had vs 148? I was in the pits all day doing work and those were "Google Texted" times that I made sure I got to see. When SOAP comes out I will let you see what I'm talking about. Until than, let the suspense build.

But honestly, I really wanted to have a good match with or against these guys, before the regional. After experiencing it, I bet people where getting ready to run out of the stadium to get away from the sheer energy of these powerful teams fusing.

Dr. Joe, when can we expect some ATL predictions because already I doubt you will have time to finish :)!

Godspeed!
Pavan.

Joe Johnson 02-04-2007 19:47

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Originally Posted by Pavan (Post 608524)
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Dr. Joe, when can we expect some ATL predictions because already I doubt you will have time to finish :)!

Godspeed!
Pavan.

I am noodling through this now. My spies and I will probably have something to say, but no promises just yet...

Joe J

Joe Johnson 03-04-2007 11:48

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I just looked up what happened to 2158 AusTIN CANs in TX. I see they won Rookie Allstar, no surprise there, but... ...they didn't get picked?!#!? I know that teams don't have a right to be drafted but, honestly, I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY WERE NOT PICKED!!! Really, what were the folks in TX thinking?

What gives?

#2158 is not on the list of teams for the Championships. The Rookie Allstar award gives them the right to go doesn't it?

Are they going?

If you have the scoop on this awesome rookie team, do tell...

Joe J.

Joe Ross 03-04-2007 11:53

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Originally Posted by Joe Johnson (Post 610478)
#2158 is not on the list of teams for the Championships. The Rookie Allstar award gives them the right to go doesn't it?

If you go to their team page, it shows that they have registered: https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....info&team=2158 however, since they don't show up on the championship list, that means they haven't paid yet.

MasonMM 03-04-2007 12:09

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Concerning 2158, I talked with one of their mentors yesterday and they are quickly trying to raise the funds necessary for a trip to Atlanta. But overall he seemed confident that 2158 would be in Atlanta.

Pavan Dave 03-04-2007 15:53

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Originally Posted by Joe Johnson (Post 610478)
I just looked up what happened to 2158 AusTIN CANs in TX. I see they won Rookie Allstar, no surprise there, but... ...they didn't get picked?!#!? I know that teams don't have a right to be drafted but, honestly, I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY WERE NOT PICKED!!! Really, what were the folks in TX thinking?

What gives?

#2158 is not on the list of teams for the Championships. The Rookie Allstar award gives them the right to go doesn't it?

Are they going?

If you have the scoop on this awesome rookie team, do tell...

Joe J.

I posted this under the "2007 best tube scorers" Page 10 at the bottom.
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Unfortunately many teams do not understand this concept. I saw some bad calls at Lone Star and they seemed as if they did know what was going on. I think that many teams went unrecognized at the LSR because of this lack of scouting and this "blind faith" in seeding stats. Kryptonite and the ausTIN CANs were some of THE best bots in their class, but due to a combination of bad alliance partners and good opponents they stood no chance.
That is what happened Dr. Joe.

Everybody sees seeding scores, but not everyone sees in depth data of every team from every bot they've picked up to every tube they've scored and on which spider leg.

I was rooting for 2158 the whole time. They scored all 8 in a practice match Thursday, but its a shame that no one remembered that Saturday.

Pavan.

lynca 03-04-2007 17:10

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We just paid for Championship. When the qualification matches are posted, people will see some great matches with AusTIN CANS (2158). We saved some really good teams from losing a match (especially the regional finalists) . We also played against quite a few great teams, 476 and 364. We scored 8 in a practice match, 5 in a couple qualification matches and used ramps twice. We also had our autonomous almost score on multiple occasions.

I think we just lost the pick to 1750 and 1745 because most teams were looking for defense in the 3rd alliance.
148's head mentor told us directly they were looking to pick us, but 148 was not able to make the picking decision on their alliance.

Luckily, 2158 is going to championship and the robot has not suffered any major setbacks, so get ready atlanta, the ausTin Cans are coming !

Joe Johnson 03-04-2007 17:39

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Originally Posted by lynca (Post 610644)
We just paid for Championship. When the qualification matches are posted, people will see some great matches with AusTIN CANS (2158). We saved some really good teams from losing a match (especially the regional finalists) . We also played against quite a few great teams, 476 and 364. We scored 8 in a practice match, 5 in a couple qualification matches and used ramps twice. We also had our autonomous almost score on multiple occasions.

I think we just lost the pick to 1750 and 1745 because most teams were looking for defense in the 3rd alliance.
148's head mentor told us directly they were looking to pick us, but 148 was not able to make the picking decision on their alliance.

Luckily, 2158 is going to championship and the robot has not suffered any major setbacks, so get ready atlanta, the ausTin Cans are coming !

Hurrah! I a very happy that AusTIN CANS will be in Atlanta. My main reason for posting was not so much to pick on the folks who are drafting teams but to give you guys a well deserved shot in the arm.

Two things that everyone (rookies and non-rookies alike) can take away from the very capable AusTIN CANS not getting drafted is that
#1 all teams should do at least some scouting, you never know how the draft is going to go, if your team gets to be an Alliance Captain, you owe it to your team and the teams you draft to do your best to pick from the available teams.

#2 do some work to make sure the drafting teams know about your team and your robot -- if one of the high seeds that ended up as an Alliance Capt. had heard from a pitch from 2158 prior to going to the draft, perhaps they would have been drafted. At least try to make sure other teams are aware of you. Don't be obnoxious, but don't be a wall flower either.

Joe J.

JaneYoung 03-04-2007 17:52

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Originally Posted by Joe Johnson (Post 610676)
Hurrah! I am very happy that AusTIN CANS will be in Atlanta.

Joe J.

I hope they bring their mascot!
One guess as to what it is.:D

newton418 03-04-2007 21:46

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Originally Posted by Pavan (Post 610600)
Everybody sees seeding scores, but not everyone sees in depth data of every team from every bot they've picked up to every tube they've scored and on which spider leg.
Pavan.

I noticed this as well. The captain from 1421 and I were socked that 16 hadn't been picked before we got to pick the 3rd robot in our alliance. They had an effective arm, an autonomous that consistently scored keepers, and a fast crab drive that their driver could handle. The ausTIN CANS were next on our list, but 16 was just too good of a catch to pass up. Also, I was shocked that 624 wasn't picked. They had a strong drive train (4 CIMs with DeWalts, and wedge top on all their wheels I believe) and that awesome double fork lift.


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