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dipmeinaluminum 05-04-2007 14:41

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Don't tell anyone, but I'm kinda scared of 254 :ahh: I saw some videos !!

LordTalps 05-04-2007 14:47

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dipmeinaluminum (Post 612477)
Don't tell anyone, but I'm kinda scared of 254 :ahh: I saw some videos !!

And did you see the one of their lifts making all 3 robots fall?

Wigginsgame 05-04-2007 14:55

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
*Slightly Biased...*

67 (although they haven't won a regional this year) has an incredible robot. I feel confident that we will be a force to be reckoned with. :)

MasterChief 573 05-04-2007 15:05

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Hmm, you know who's really good?

I'm biased.:rolleyes:

Jason Morrella 05-04-2007 15:19

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Based on what I've seen this year, there are a good 10-20 robots that are clearly top tier and can hold their own against virtually any of the others - but of those, I'd have to rank 1114 and 330 as the top two. Being that they are both in the same division, I'd be SHOCKED if at least one of them is not on Einstein on Saturday afternoon. If one of them seeds # 1 and they are paired up in the playoffs, I really don't know if there is a combination of robots out there that could stop them from going all the way regardless of who their third partner is.

But there are plenty of great teams dispersed throughout all 4 divisions, so it's totally open - should be a great Championship and some amazing playoffs.

AdamHeard 05-04-2007 15:20

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 611567)
Quote:

Defensively speaking, 254 isn't on that list. They're built for speed and rapid-scoring. Place a bot between them and the rack and they're done.
We'll see how that goes at nationals ;)

At LA and San diego, both 254 and 968 we very difficult to defend. Getting between them and the rack isn't that effective because they can easily swoop to a few legs over and score before you're halfway there (and we're not a slow robot. 10fps w/ a small CIM, a big CIM, and a FP).

mateus 05-04-2007 15:24

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
IN the brazilian pilot... team #1382 defended in all matches... and in the elimination matches we were the only defense bot of our winning alliance... but we get to defend two scorers from the other teams... in the finals we blocked team #1603(one of the best scorers from our regional) and #383 another decent scorer...
PS: #1603 had the biggest score... (sadly against us... in a horrible match we've played at qualification... neither of the 3 teams did what they had to do... the only correct thing made was the 2x12" lift by our bot) =(

waialua359 05-04-2007 15:25

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
254, 25, and 1425 were the best that we saw and played against.
As everyone talks about who is good and "a force to be reckon with," I believe the true test is that teams who claim to be good should attend highly competitive regionals and see how they fare.
Examples:
FL
SVR
NJ

Many teams got a "free" ride this year because of the pairing algorithm used this year, including the modified ones in later regionals. And many that won regionals have not played against the likes of the very top tier teams.
Atlanta, still, is not a true test, because you only have a chance to play against 1/4th of the field.

On another note, matches should go back to PURE random scheduling so that everyone has a chance to play with EVERYONE and not only against numbered teams near your no.

MasterChief 573 05-04-2007 15:35

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Morrella (Post 612507)
Based on what I've seen this year, there are a good 10-20 robots that are clearly top tier and can hold their own against virtually any of the others - but of those, I'd have to rank 1114 and 330 as the top two. Being that they are both in the same division, I'd be SHOCKED if at least one of them is not on Einstein on Saturday afternoon. If one of them seeds # 1 and they are paired up in the playoffs, I really don't know if there is a combination of robots out there that could stop them from going all the way regardless of who their third partner is.

But there are plenty of great teams dispersed throughout all 4 divisions, so it's totally open - should be a great Championship and some amazing playoffs.

The alliance of teams 1023, 494, and 1503 beat teams 1114, 67, and 57 in the GLR semi-finals with a 2-0 sweep so trust me anything's possible.

seraphim33 05-04-2007 15:38

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 612516)
254, 25, and 1425 were the best that we saw and played against.
As everyone talks about who is good and "a force to be reckon with," I believe the true test is that teams who claim to be good should attend highly competitive regionals and see how they fare.
Examples:
FL
SVR
NJ

Many teams got a "free" ride this year because of the pairing algorithm used this year, including the modified ones in later regionals. And many that won regionals have not played against the likes of the very top tier teams.
Atlanta, still, is not a true test, because you only have a chance to play against 1/4th of the field.

On another note, matches should go back to PURE random scheduling so that everyone has a chance to play with EVERYONE and not only against numbered teams near your no.

i really wisk it was completely random because u would get 2 play a wider variety of teams

Ashley Weed 05-04-2007 15:40

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 612516)
254, 25, and 1425 were the best that we saw and played against.
As everyone talks about who is good and "a force to be reckon with," I believe the true test is that teams who claim to be good should attend highly competitive regionals and see how they fare.
Examples:
FL
SVR
NJ

IMHO: Theory doesn't stand when the winner of the NJ regional doesn't win at one of your so called "less competitive" regionals.

Jason Morrella 05-04-2007 15:48

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
we agree - if you read my post again, I said any of those top tier teams can hold there own against each other (meaning beat each other) - and the teams you listed are certainly top tier. I never said 1114 or 330 can not be beat - I said I don't know if an alliance with 1114 and 330 TOGETHER can be beat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterChief 573 (Post 612520)
The alliance of teams 1023, 494, and 1503 beat teams 1114, 67, and 57 in the GLR semi-finals with a 2-0 sweep so trust me anything's possible.


Rich Ross 05-04-2007 15:52

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
In addition, team 57 had some unforseen problems in those matches. In atlanta, expect most teams to have a robot that works the way it is supposed to.

The biggest threat in atlanta is a team that manages to stay in the teens (10-14) in the rankings until saturday morning. That way, they are never going into a match with a target on their back. This team also will do what it takes to win. They will not be well known until they win their division. These teams, the ones that pop up out of nowhere, are the ones to watch out for. The problem is, you dont know who it will be until it is too late.

MasterChief 573 05-04-2007 16:07

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Morrella (Post 612531)
we agree - if you read my post again, I said any of those top tier teams can hold there own against each other (meaning beat each other) - and the teams you listed are certainly top tier. I never said 1114 or 330 can not be beat - I said I don't know if an alliance with 1114 and 330 TOGETHER can be beat.

I said anything is possible, just like that alliance (1023,494,1503) upset 1114 and 67 their could be an alliance cappable of upsetting an alliance of 330 and 1114.

Cory 05-04-2007 16:11

Re: biggest threat in atlanta
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterChief 573 (Post 612552)
I said anything is possible, just like that alliance (1023,494,1503) upset 1114 and 67 their could be an alliance cappable of upsetting an alliance of 330 and 1114.

Keep in mind that you're comparing the first performance of those teams to the places they're at now. Both are much more polished.

I would not want to face an alliance of 1114 and 330. It would take three very strong robots to overcome them.


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