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what robots do u guys think will be the biggest defensive threat in atlanta.
im partial to team 903 bein the driver and all:]

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ya im not sure if 703 is going but they have 14 wheels:D :D :D

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84

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Honestly, if 1662 was going (Raptor Force Engineering), them. 675 went to SVR and Davis, and they were the only bot out of the 48/39 teams that pushed US around. And we pushed 1280 and the rack at the same time.

Video of rack turn-age:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5LdLXl2sips

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1114
330
254
148
56
217?

...and then there are the ramps, but I see hybrid domination (because it allows three scorers). 1114 and 330 are the two best robots I've seen this year, bar none. I like 56. 254's drivers have improved, and with the ramps they are NOW a solid pick (that is, I didn't really think much of them before).

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Defensively speaking, 254 isn't on that list. They're built for speed and rapid-scoring. Place a bot between them and the rack and they're done.

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Can some one put up a link for pics of 84 or videos, I ahve heard alot but havent seen anything

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148 seeds, then picks 254, then steals like a 181/696/1403 for a third partner. I dare you to shut them all down. Three scorers, ramps, and (atleast) two solid drivetrains: achievable optimum.

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330 definately

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I have a strategy that will beat that 9 times out of ten. And I don't even need an arm.

Cya in a week:cool:

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Oh RLY?

I'm curious. Can't wait to watch.

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Going with picking a alliance I would have to pick from what i ahve seen, and be partly partial towards 469, but i think 1114, 469, and maybe a 302, or 33. But then again I'm partial towards my team, and teams that friends are on, theses picks were only bots that I have seen.:D

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The strategy that I think he is recalling to, if its the same, has won regionals and does work effectively, but I think there are goinf to be some great matches at Atlanta with highs scores, and alot of spoiling.

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842 can shut down any robot ,with no red or yellow cards!! Defense baby!!!

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I'm sure all of the big guns have this one plotted out already. There was no point using it at regionals.

Ah, you are all underestimating the power of an alliance. A united front we stand, a united front we fall.



Let's just say people's heads will be spinning on Einstein this year.

More cryptology after the jump.

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He said he doesn't need an arm. I am curious to see what the strategy is.

Three scorers, one is a hybrid (254) capable of 2@12, and two have fairly strong drivetrains (148 and company). Without an arm on the opposing alliance, they'd just need to hang a single tube, then get two robots on the ramp. If one robot is going to take a penalty to prevent the ramping at the end, then they only need to cancel out the one opposing alliance's robot that has ramped. So, the beefy drivetrain (148) stops trying to get on 254's ramps, and they instead protect their partner. The ramps neutralize, and they win on the rack.

Such teases, though-- now I'm curious what strategy I'm missing.

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330
254
39
25
987
359
968
i think these are some of the big hitters to look out for i know there is still more.

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Sorry 842, but I ahve to agree with Tom on this one, If you get an alliance with atleast one good scorere then 2 defensive bots, or even 2 scorers and 1 defensive bot, I ahve seen where the 2 can protect the scorer from opponents, and defend opponents aswell. If here were an alliance of 2 scorers and 1 defensive, I have seen the defensive bot hold of teams and keeep them from scoring, and the 2 scorers amnage to get a couple ringers on the rack. I believe in Atlanta we will see an aliance of teams that we would never expect to be aligned togther, not as in teams together, but seeing that order of bots.:D YAY for having FIRST keep us on our feets.

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Everyone forget to mention team 2056 (Patriotics), they maybe a rookie, but they do have two regional wins under their belt. They also have a simple design and have an autonomous mode that caps on the opposing side's rack. They also have a Rookie All-Star award backing them up. I have talked about "great" teams in other threads, but watch out for this one rookie at championship.

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Actually...thats my strategy. At least a variance of it. I wouldn't expect anything like this to happen until Elims though, when it actually will be possible.

There will be some highpowered alliances out there, definitely.
The way most will go is 2 scorers then a hybrid(ramp/scorer). That will be the most potent. But youll probably see more 2 scorers and a hybrid(ramp defender).

Robots that'll matter the most are the likes of 330, 69, 696, 254. Teams thatll score and have ramps. Its a great combo, especially in 69 and 330.
There are a ton of teams that may get overlooked though. Its a great year for scouting to suck.
I still think one of the top 5 teams is gonna be staying at home. 1626 had some bad luck at Boston and Palmetto and ended up as Finalists twice. But they are by far one of the best I've seen this year. They play through anything.
My strategy probably will not be seen this year, but would be most effective, and I'd take it over anything else you could dream of.

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Oh yeah! we'll be there!

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watch out for defensive auto.. 815 stopped a few, and 842 came up with one and started fine tuning it by the end of vegas

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There are going to be so many good teams this year. 498 has made some changes, got a auto mode (kinda) and retooled our manipulator so hopefully we can hang with these teams o and our ramp is driver friendly! see ya all very soon.

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Speaking on behalf of one of the two alliances so far this year to take a win from 1114, here's our secret strategy for winning.

Wait for their radio to glitch out.

Aside from that... good luck. :) We played them three times at GTR in a variety of alliances, including some heavy weight "D" from 48 on our side. The only time 1114 wasn't dangerous was when they weren't moving.

Jason

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i know of three such teams where a single tube could never be scored

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I hear 148 has a pretty mean autonomous.. ;). I'm (almost) sure the partners could drive forward to protect them during that initial 15 seconds.

I like the defense+ramps strategy. I'm serious when I say that. But I believe that three scorers, a 2@12 ramp, and two strong drivetrains on the same alliance have the lattitude to take on any alliance. And if that alliance goes up against another of the same construction, then you have a match on Einstein, IMO. From what I see, what carries the defense+ramps alliance (puts a score on the board) are the good ramps. A scoring alliance that also has a hybrid neutralizes that advantage.

I'm hoping defense+ramps isn't Tom's strategy-- as its nothing new. I don't think it is, though.

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Like 296 last year there will be robots that noone will see comming that will rise up and surprise everyone just like there will be teams that are getting all sorts of hype that will dissapoint for one reason or another. It happens all th time at the championships and this year you really need good partners to succeed.

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148
1114
27
703
45
469

just to name a few.

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That....or moving involuntarily perpendicular or backwards relative to the direction of their desired path of travel. But then again, the same can be said of any team. The problem is catching up to them - they're so durned speedy!

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2 Defense + 1 awesome scorer. Everyone thinks defensive-minded alliances can't score tubes. Purge that thought from your heads. Also purge the thought that all defensive robots have to play defense all the time - they don't. Some do; many don't.

Ramps aren't nullified if you hold a defensively-created rack score advantage at the beginning of endgame.

Again, we'll see. I challenge some of the big scorers to consider the possibilities of participating in a defensive alliance as an option as opposed to the "drown 'em in offense" alliance strategy - which is "nothing new". ;)

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Rumor has it that 1583 from Colorado has quite the defensive bot? gee, I wonder where I heard that from . . .ohh yeah . . .

It was when our alliance in the Regional held the opposing highest scoring alliance in the COREG to 14, 32, & 34 points during the championship . . .

Of course I have some sort of bias . . . :eek: besides being crazy

russell

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Indeed! i got to see these guys live and i would say wow every time. They were able to score on the other side of the rack in AUTO, score when heavily defended and able to scoot around the field when wanted to. They also went undefeated at GTR and had the pole position for picking. Dare i say they will come out ontop of thier division in atl in thier rookie year?


Also once again, another popularity contest thread where you see the big named teams and of course the posts about your own team, oh when will CD learn to stop this?

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yea.

Tom said his strategy doesn't require an arm. That's what I was responding to.

As for defense+scoring..

2 of the three scorers on my dream alliance have good drivetrains. They have the option of running this strategy. Defense does take a bit of skill, I agree.. that is, the driver has to know how to use a decent drivetrain defensively. But in this game it seems sufficient to simply get in the way of scorers.

You want to block our scorers, eh? Our "beefy" drivetrains will meet at mid-field. I hope your scorer is faster than the one we've decided to cover.

If you ramp 2@12 and we ramp 2@12, then the ramps are nullified.

I don't (think I) underestimate defense.. I also agree with the statements, "no ramps, no chance" and "ramps win." I just like getting my cake and eating it too, whenever possible. I'm advocating my dream alliance.

And actually, I sway more to the defense+ramps strategy than to the score, score, score strategy.. especially since its very easy to lockdown the rack. But again, with three scorers, two (or more) having good drivetrains, and one (or more) having good ramps, I can choose from among many approaches depending on who's on the other side of the field.

Something else not given enough credit: a good field crew. Perfect alliance, perfect strategy, mediocre execution.. down in the first round.

I've been watching 1114 and 330, and looking at how well they execute. The drivers are good. They don't mess around picking up a tube, and don't mess around when they get to the rack; its in and out. And where are they capping on the rack? Exactly where a leg needs to be capped. Do they ever switch to defense, or etc.. absolutely.. just as soon as they need to. They both have good mechanisms for grabbing the tube, and scoring, but then again so do many other teams.. the difference seems to be that their drivers use the machine extremely well. That's one reason I think 56 can shine: drivers.

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Provided the match sorting algorithm doesn't mess everything up, there are most likely going to be one or two alliances in each division that are formed according to Joel's master plan (and it's a very, very good plan!). The question is, what are the 6-7 other alliances going to do to match up against the Goliaths? Will they simply try to keep up with the Joneses, formulate a similarly configured alliance, and attempt to match their offensive output? Do they have the robots and driver skill to accomplish this? Is this a pointless exercise?

Or will these alliance captains consider alternative alliance configurations that will throw a curveball at those who may have been expecting a fastball? Keep 'em guessing.

I'm just suggesting that if everyone follows the suit of the "master alliance" when making their alliance selections, they may find themselves a spectator as the top alliances proceed along smoothly into the Einstein finals.

I'm hoping for an eclectic and hectic mix of alliance strategies and capabilities in every division. It will make the eliminations more unpredictable and also more fun to play AND watch.

That being said, please continue to post about the "robots 2 watch 4" in Atlanta. Someone mentioned watching out for the little guys who might fly under the radar. 123, 291, and 379 all fit this billing - they can surprise you with their "relentless consistency". :) The next tier isn't so little, but is worth mentioning - 191, 375, 1038, and 1126 all have reliable autons and great scoring capabilities. Watch out for these guys if they are in your division!

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Oh wow. Loud and clear.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like this next week:

2056+48+379 vs. 148+254+181

Who can put together the better strategy.

I can't wait to watch these elims.

BTW-- I'm not saying any of these teams would actually pick each other.. and the thread was asking about defensive threats-- I missed that.

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Based on Pitt and Buckeye, I vote for 48 (Delphi Elite) and 247 (Da Bears). Both play fair, but brutal, defenses and lift two for 12"+ We would love to hook up with them in Atlanta!

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There's more ways to play defense than just brute force pushing. This game is half psychological.

Oh, and I lied when I said I didn't need an arm. I absolutely need an arm. I probably need one of the best arms out there. Whether or not I use it is a different story.

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50% physical, 90% mental (or something along those lines)... in the words of John Madden.

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u will not believe how many times ive heard the game this year compared to football lol

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703 will be there with all 14 wheels

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hopefully we are in the same division i wanna partner up with u in atlanta

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And they were one of the couple of robots at the two regional that we won in that we couldn't push around. We won a head-on push against TWO robots in the final match for god’s sake!!!

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do u have a video of that i would love to see it

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I'll get some up for you soon from competition.

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...140% total...?:rolleyes:

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Yep:)
click or_fm2.wmv this is also the match that our partner flipped itself up right after tipped over!:D
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/or/

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997 would definitely be there to push people around with our tank tread. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...t=49392&page=4 For so many times in Davis, we got on the side of robots and just pushed them in circles around the field. The robots couldn’t do anything. They couldn’t move away and it doesn’t count as trapping because we are moving them around.

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that was 2 cool

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:)

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i hope u guys are in our division

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I'm still working on getting Davis videos uploaded, but these vids of the QF's with 997 and 1662 are ready.

Davis QF1.1
Davis QF1.2
Davis QF1.3
Davis QF1.4
Davis QF1.5

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Do you know in which match that picture ("disabled at davis") occurred? /is it going to be uploaded?

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Yeah.... those battles were hell...:rolleyes:

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We'll see how that goes at nationals ;)

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My Top 5 (Not in Any order):
316
25
1126
191
330

But I haven't seen every bot in action so I'm not sure.

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If 254 added bumpers (among other things), then I think I'd cry (tears of joy).

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703 is the reason why 469 and 494 won the WMR. They have "14 wheels of hellfire" as we called it. They demolished 494's sister team 70 and recked 27's arm. There is no doubt in my mind that 703 is a force to be reckoned with.
Team 494 at WMR was paired against 71 & 1703 twice (they were both alligned together on both matches) and 703 wouldn't let us get more than 2 tubes on. :( But i love that pheonix bot!!! See ya at nationals! (hopefully)

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First of allI want to thank the GDC for creating a game that is so 'alliance centric''.

Now to the 'best threat'

I do not believe that any single robot is a 'best threat', so I will post the alliance Type that I think will win the Championships.

1st Robot -- Defensive ramp bot. defensive autonomous. May have tube scoring ability. Very Powerful drive train (probably skid steer), easy to climb (<17 degrees, or lifting), reliable ramp.

2nd robot -- Powerful fast tube scorer with strong drivetrain (probably mechanum). Good autonomous

3rd robot -- Good tube scorer. good autonomous. Powerful drivetrain. Can play defense and offense equally well.

The key to this is flexability and the ability to choose between different strategies on the fly.

One more thing, Communication. Alliances that communicate well both before and during the match will have great success.

JMHO

Good luck all, and see you at the Championshps.

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I know exactly what you're talking about! :cool:

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ahh woot. 696!

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Yes, at buckeye teams 537, 494, and 70 tried the so called "drown 'em in offense" strategy. It was working really well...until we ran out of tubes. We won the quarters with rows of 7 each time, however in semis the opposing alliance (thunderhawks and sparx) got smart, while they only scored 5-6 tubes...they put them in very strategic places. Basically, we couldnt get a row over 6 tubes. So then they ramped up and us...we had no ramps, so we were screwed. I think the dominant alliance will need to have 1 hybrid/total defensive with ramps as we did in milwaukee to win. With good defense there is no need for extreme offense.

-Eric

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That's a BIG negative!
:eek:

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I believe we scored 5 ringers against you folks with no scorer on any of the other teams and won the match 2^5=32 to 0.
Remember???

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I'm sorry, but you're wrong. With the proper alliance, 254 is just too good. We had the arguable pleasure playing defense against them in the semis at Las Vegas. The first match we stuck with them for the whole match, and while we limited them to two tubes, our alliance couldn't score enough playing 2v2 to win the match. The second match we didn't keep a bot with them at all times, and they put of 5 or 6 tubes on us. They have a true beast of a machine, and it'll be a force in Atlanta. I'd really not be surprised at all if they make it to Einstein.

-Guy

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1662 is going.........so you can see for yourself

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Team 84 is running an infinity drive train which gives us all the power, torque, and speed that we could ever dream of. We went 2-1 or 3-1 in Philly and are hoping to continue all our pushing down in ATLANTA!!!

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501 is fast at 12fps in high gear... but in low we push any robot sideways. we are a very good scoring bot but we have played defense :D

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this is the detroit regional where we personally took out the thunder chickens
nationals wont be a problem:cool:

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You took them out.....on a date? :p

Not knowing how you actually played them, to "take out" someone is generally considered to be a violent, aggressive, hurtful action. Perhaps you meant, "shut down"? If I were in a position to face 217 on defense, I'd like to be known for the latter, and not the former.

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lol i see you point but we dont have any pics of us "shutting down" teams at west michigan

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lol biggest threat is THE INFINITY DRIVE

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wow that sounds a little bit irrogant to me, ever team has their good and bad days and this may have been one of the thunder chickens off days.

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not arrogent just confident and 302 was there u saw it u ever think we were having a good day:ahh: think about it

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No i will give u guys some credit, your alliance played some mad defense that day (congrats by the way).

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u guys played equally as well i hope u guys do great at nationals

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Don't tell anyone, but I'm kinda scared of 254 :ahh: I saw some videos !!

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And did you see the one of their lifts making all 3 robots fall?

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*Slightly Biased...*

67 (although they haven't won a regional this year) has an incredible robot. I feel confident that we will be a force to be reckoned with. :)

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Hmm, you know who's really good?

I'm biased.:rolleyes:

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Based on what I've seen this year, there are a good 10-20 robots that are clearly top tier and can hold their own against virtually any of the others - but of those, I'd have to rank 1114 and 330 as the top two. Being that they are both in the same division, I'd be SHOCKED if at least one of them is not on Einstein on Saturday afternoon. If one of them seeds # 1 and they are paired up in the playoffs, I really don't know if there is a combination of robots out there that could stop them from going all the way regardless of who their third partner is.

But there are plenty of great teams dispersed throughout all 4 divisions, so it's totally open - should be a great Championship and some amazing playoffs.

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At LA and San diego, both 254 and 968 we very difficult to defend. Getting between them and the rack isn't that effective because they can easily swoop to a few legs over and score before you're halfway there (and we're not a slow robot. 10fps w/ a small CIM, a big CIM, and a FP).

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IN the brazilian pilot... team #1382 defended in all matches... and in the elimination matches we were the only defense bot of our winning alliance... but we get to defend two scorers from the other teams... in the finals we blocked team #1603(one of the best scorers from our regional) and #383 another decent scorer...
PS: #1603 had the biggest score... (sadly against us... in a horrible match we've played at qualification... neither of the 3 teams did what they had to do... the only correct thing made was the 2x12" lift by our bot) =(

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254, 25, and 1425 were the best that we saw and played against.
As everyone talks about who is good and "a force to be reckon with," I believe the true test is that teams who claim to be good should attend highly competitive regionals and see how they fare.
Examples:
FL
SVR
NJ

Many teams got a "free" ride this year because of the pairing algorithm used this year, including the modified ones in later regionals. And many that won regionals have not played against the likes of the very top tier teams.
Atlanta, still, is not a true test, because you only have a chance to play against 1/4th of the field.

On another note, matches should go back to PURE random scheduling so that everyone has a chance to play with EVERYONE and not only against numbered teams near your no.

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The alliance of teams 1023, 494, and 1503 beat teams 1114, 67, and 57 in the GLR semi-finals with a 2-0 sweep so trust me anything's possible.

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i really wisk it was completely random because u would get 2 play a wider variety of teams

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IMHO: Theory doesn't stand when the winner of the NJ regional doesn't win at one of your so called "less competitive" regionals.

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we agree - if you read my post again, I said any of those top tier teams can hold there own against each other (meaning beat each other) - and the teams you listed are certainly top tier. I never said 1114 or 330 can not be beat - I said I don't know if an alliance with 1114 and 330 TOGETHER can be beat.

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In addition, team 57 had some unforseen problems in those matches. In atlanta, expect most teams to have a robot that works the way it is supposed to.

The biggest threat in atlanta is a team that manages to stay in the teens (10-14) in the rankings until saturday morning. That way, they are never going into a match with a target on their back. This team also will do what it takes to win. They will not be well known until they win their division. These teams, the ones that pop up out of nowhere, are the ones to watch out for. The problem is, you dont know who it will be until it is too late.

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I said anything is possible, just like that alliance (1023,494,1503) upset 1114 and 67 their could be an alliance cappable of upsetting an alliance of 330 and 1114.

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Keep in mind that you're comparing the first performance of those teams to the places they're at now. Both are much more polished.

I would not want to face an alliance of 1114 and 330. It would take three very strong robots to overcome them.

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I wouldn't want to either, but if I had to I'd know exactly who I'd want on my side...wanna know...it's a secret.:cool:

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dont know what you mean. I didnt mention any "less competitive" regionals. However, they ARE out there.
To say that teams 25 and 254 are not in the top 10 cannot be argued by the MAJORITY. There are others of course, but with all the teams out there, who can keep track of them all. I'd put money that one of the NJ and LA regional winners will win another regional next year again!:D

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*slightly biased as well*

I have to agree with this. Even though we've had some tough luck so far this year, I think we've past proven the fact that we're a strong bot. We've made it to elim rounds at both regionals, and had a tough call in the second one. I feel we would've gone far at WMR if we hadn't been knocked out based on a technicality.

See yall in less than a week!
Good luck teams!

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*Even more biased*
We've had a tough year so far, usually getting double teamed in all of our matches. I'd bet that if we had a strong defense bot with us, we'd have a better bet. We had a strong alliance at WMR, and I also think that we would have possibly made it to the finals if we hadn't been called out on a technical blip.

However, 1114 is a force to be reckoned with, this much is for sure

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To reiterate what some others have said about GLR, 57 did have problems in both of the matches in which 67, 1114, and 57 lost. The matches were also very close if I recall correctly.

Either way, we have had tough luck this season because we have had heavy defense against us (2 against one can be kinda hard sometimes). This was seen at WMR when our end-effector got bent *pobre hotbot*

Anyway.. That's all I've got to say about those "sore" topics. Any other teams aside from the ones mentioned already that anyone's worried about?

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997
They have great tracks, great drivers, pusing power, and always get 30 from each side...

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Watch out for 1732, the Hilltoppers. With two semi-finalist finishes they are flying under the radar but they are a definitely a threat. One, if not both, of their eliminations appearances were cut short when one of their alliance partners broke. We liked them so much we picked them second at Wisconsin. 1732 can put tubes on the lower and middle levels really well and they have a powerful drive train. They may not have had a lot of publicity without any regional victories but their robot is very solid.

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hmmm, does it have anything to do with a spoiler by chance?

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And they can lift after the bell. There's more time for scoring that way.

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The best robot I saw was 190 from WPI Good scorer and a terrific double ramp.