Lowest Number
 

I know that you can tell whether a team is old by looking at the team number. So I was wondering, what is the lowest team(numerically) that still exists?
The oldest/lowest team I know of is team #45 the TechnoCats.
Does anyone know of any that I overlooked?

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There are many more under 45!
from 44 to 1.

:p

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Team 1 is still active... but team numbers weren't permanent until 2003 and when they were permanently assigned, they were ordered alphabetically by sponsor. Your best bet would be to check out FIRSTwiki, or the team information. https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....eaminfo&team=1 you can change the team, by changing the team number in the URL.

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Until the 1999 season, teams were given a new number every year. In 99, FIRST began assigning permanent numbers based on age. The veteran teams that year were given numbers based on when they registered for the season. You can see a full listing of teams by age here.

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You both are half right. Team numbers were permanently assigned in 1999, with existing teams sorted alphabetically by sponsor. This is why all of the UTC teams are around the 170s, while more alphabetically gifted teams occupy the lower numbers.

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Team numbers were permanently assigned in 1998, as I recall, and rookies in the 1999 season were numbered sequentially based on the order of their registration. That formula has varied a bit since then, but that's largely how it's been worked since.

The oldest teams in FIRST include 45, 126, 190, and 191. There may be more that are still left, but those are the folks that stick out in my mind. 250 was in it from the beginning as well, but they recently split into two teams, I believe, and only one of those teams represents the original school -- team 20, perhaps.

The lowest assigned numbers are 1, 4, 7, 8, 9, 11, and 16, I think.

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What about the Bomb Squad (Formerly BBS)? Team 16.

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That's what I meant by 19 -- sorry about the typo.

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https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....nu=false&event shows you everyone.

(As always, thanks to Joe Ross for showing me how to do this)

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Team 5, the Robocards. I think are still around, but their web-site hasn't been updated since 2006.

edit: yep, according to the above link.

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I thought I saw the Juggernauts (1) signed up for a regional this year....I suppose I could be wrong.

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Oh no your right, the Juggernauts played at GLR. They had a great robot, too bad they're not coming to Atlanta.:(

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I know they were at Lone Star.

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Team 20 has been around since 1992.

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I searched an hour and a half for this list I made ages ago (it got to the point where I probably would've been better off searching for my ancient yearbooks). It's 100% accurate up to and including 2002 (proof that I made this list ages ago :D). Everything 2003 and beyond has been addended to the list through the years a few times, and therefore may not be 100% correct (it's still pretty accurate though).

• Teams #1-#208 were rookies in or before 1998 (this is due to FIRST giving teams new numbers every year previously).
• Teams #209-#335 were rookies in 1999.
• Teams #336-#491 were rookies in 2000.
• Teams #492-#716 were rookies in 2001.
• Teams #717-#999 were rookies in 2002 (semi-pointless fact: the reason they stopped at 999 was because the IFI controllers then weren't configured to display more than three digits; if any numbers were ever reissued, it would've happened in this year becasue of that).
• Teams #1000-#1237 were rookies in 2003.
• Teams #1238-#1500 were rookies in 2004.
• Teams #1501-#1709 were rookies in 2005.
• Teams #1710-#1999 were rookies in 2006.
• Teams #2000-#2287 were rookies in 2007.

Also, keep in mind that there were times if a team switched sponsors, FIRST would issue a new number. There were also teams that took a year off getting a new number on their return. Finally, there were teams that disbanded, returned, or merged with another team either getting a brand new number, of one of their old numbers. But for the most part, this is how FIRST's numbering is.

Now: ::Copies, Pastes, Saves, goes to bed::

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Corrected later year splits (bold).

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Yeah, I could've sworn I saw a 1999 last year, but it turns out, I'm crazy :p. So you're right on the 1980/1981 change (and the saved list now reflects that). I'm not so sure on the other two changes though. I could've sworn they stopped at 1500 intentionally in 2004, therefore begining in 2005 at 1501. My list also gets a bit muddy on the 2003 cutoff/2004 start; I believe I tacked that on the year after the fact, and haven't been able to find anything more accurate since (we've apparently lost a lot of teams from that year). If you could show me a source or something on those two changes, it'd be appreciated. :)

We WILL get this list accurate! :D

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See team data from the FIRST site. For example, https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....info&team=1498

Just change the team number at the end of the line, and you'll get any team you want.

I knew 1999/2000 wasn't the current split, and thought the 1500/1501 was a little too "convenient", if you know what I mean, so I went looking.

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Huh, when I went to that link, it showed two team #4s. Now that is funny!:D

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Huh... if only that had existed when I was making and addending that list over the years (or even when I spent all that time searching for the list last night)... Anyhow, thanks for the source (though I still could've sworn they cut off the 2004 teams at 1500 intentionally, but thenagain, I could possibly be crazy). So this should be all 100% accurate now:

• Teams #1-#208 were rookies in or before 1998 (this is due to FIRST giving teams new numbers every year previously).
• Teams #209-#335 were rookies in 1999.
• Teams #336-#491 were rookies in 2000.
• Teams #492-#716 were rookies in 2001.
• Teams #717-#999 were rookies in 2002 (semi-pointless fact: the reason they stopped at 999 was because the IFI controllers then weren't configured to display more than three digits; if any numbers were ever reissued, it would've happened in this year).
• Teams #1000-#1238 were rookies in 2003.
• Teams #1239-#1497 were rookies in 2004.
• Teams #1498-#1709 were rookies in 2005.
• Teams #1710-#1980 were rookies in 2006.
• Teams #1981-#2287 were rookies in 2007.

Also, keep in mind that there were times if a team switched sponsors, FIRST would issue a new number. There were also teams that took a year off getting a new number on their return. Finally, there were teams that disbanded, returned, or merged with another team either getting a brand new number, of one of their old numbers. But for the most part, this is how FIRST's numbering is.

At least I'll have more sleep tonight... :D

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To my knowledge, no team numbers were reissued to rookies for the 2002 season.

Registration in 2001 stopped at 716, but began for 2002 with 800. When new registrants reached 999, FIRST began assigning numbers between 717 and 783. Team numbers 784-799 have never been assigned, as far as I'm aware.

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that would have to be negative infinity. yup defiantly the lowest number


(wonder about the randomness i decided to just post based on title alone without reading what the actual thread was about.)

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Well, that's why I used the word "if". I heard a few rumors at the time of older numbers being given out, but nothing concrete. But I put that subnote in there just in case. :) I'm fairly certain no earlier numbers were reissued to the 2002 rookies as well, but it's possible something slipped through the cracks.

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Of course, there's always exceptions to the rule....I'm not sure on the particulars but I believe the Martians (494) team is more "experienced" than the More Martians (70) .... both are MI teams (and very good ones at that) and I'm sure somebody on CD can support/completely contradict me.

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There are teams with negative numbers?!?

:D

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Technically 70 has been around longer than 494. 70's rookie year was 1998, and functioned as an independent team until 2006, when 494 (2001 rookies) "adopted" them learning that they were falling apart. in 2006, 70 became the "More Martians".
Your concept is still true. When older teams split, the new rookie is given a low number. 22 split in 2006, forming teams 22 and 4. 64 was "retired" in 2006, and team 39 was born. Etc.