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lukevanoort 14-04-2007 18:11

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Originally Posted by Corey Balint (Post 616803)
Amazing last second double ramp by 233 and 179. 179 almost flew off the edge and into the wall, but controlled it.

Agreed, that was the most impressive ramping I've seen all year. I was sitting in front of my computer thinking they were about to lose, but then 233 ramped and 179 came flying out of nowhere and ramped, very impressive. Kudos to the drivers on both teams.

Zyik 14-04-2007 18:12

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One of those: go-go-go-go-wow! moments there.

Tottanka 14-04-2007 18:15

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Could have been far less dramatic unless 233 disturbed their own partner by pushing those tubes to their territory...


But hey, we like dramas don't we?

kawelch 14-04-2007 18:23

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Final #1 Arc Blue 50 - 34

Alex Cormier 14-04-2007 18:46

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everyone say that the tube on 71's ramp the play of the year?

Corey Balint 14-04-2007 18:47

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WOW.
190 987 177
WOW

Fuzzy 14-04-2007 18:49

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Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 616836)
everyone say that the tube on 71's ramp the play of the year?

I second the notion. :P

SU 39 14-04-2007 18:49

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great play putting the tube on the ramp. i tried doing that at one of our regionals, but i coudltn get it to work.
good job team 190 and 987.
we were teamed with 987 at SVR and we eventualy lost to 190's alliacne in semifinals. they later went on to win SVR. congrats to all 3 teams in their alliance.

Tottanka 14-04-2007 18:50

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Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 616836)
everyone say that the tube on 71's ramp the play of the year?

Nah...
play of the year is in Newton match 40...
i wont ruin it for you but you guys must see it...

joshsmithers 14-04-2007 18:53

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wait- it got real choppy for me and i couldn't see the last 20 seconds. What happened with the tube on 71? i saw that swamp thing couldn't get up, but what happened?

BoyWithCape195 14-04-2007 19:13

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From what was seen on the webcast, the tube was not keeping them from getting up. They got stuck going up the ramp before even hitting the tube.

Alex Cormier 14-04-2007 19:22

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Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195 (Post 616881)
From what was seen on the webcast, the tube was not keeping them from getting up. They got stuck going up the ramp before even hitting the tube.

If they went up on normal speed the tube would have made them bouce back off the ramp becuase 71 has a little shield at the edge of the ramp. So i would figure they were trying to go slow and aquire the tube and thus replace the tube with thier bot?

Vikesrock 14-04-2007 20:01

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Originally Posted by Joe Johnson (Post 616690)
Did anyone WATCH the picks on Curie? Was there some sort of crazy haze in the air or something?

I am not taking anything away from the teams drafted but seriously, how did 1114 get 469 on the 5th pick? Did #5 seed, 1114 get drafted and turn them down?

I don't understand it.

Joe J.

The picks for Curie are now up on SOAP. The #1 alliance captain 1732 asked both 1114 and 330 and were declined before selecting 67.

nutron5skills 14-04-2007 23:23

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any videos of the finals? i had to go somewhere

Andy330 15-04-2007 02:21

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Going back a ways... (I hate to leave a question unanswered if I don't have to)
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Originally Posted by dachickindapit (Post 616748)
Did anyone see what the field fault was in Final 2 of Curie? I was watching the webcast and didn't see anything wrong.

I just talked to one of the drivers from team 330. Apparently even they weren't told what the field fault was. Maybe we'll need to get one of the field refs to truly explain what happened.

But I have my own personal speculation. In "fake" finals match 2, team 910 rested the keeper right on top of the spider leg as autonomous mode expired, but didn't release it. One of the referees came out and removed the keeper before manual mode started. However, in the very next match ("real" finals match 2), 910 again rested a keeper in scoring position on the spider leg as autonomous mode expired, but again failed to release it. This time it was counted.

My thought is that maybe, in "fake" finals match 2, the refs misinterpreted the rules regarding the scoring of keepers in autonomous mode. They determined that they inadvertantly had given the other alliance an unfair advantage and decided to replay the match. I don't know. It's just a brainstorm.

Travis Hoffman 15-04-2007 11:28

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As far as Finals Match 2, I, too, have not heard the official ruling as to why the match was replayed, but <T17> certainly gives the referees the authority to initiate a replay, if a justifiable reason can be presented.

shawger 15-04-2007 16:30

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Originally Posted by dachickindapit (Post 616748)
Did anyone see what the field fault was in Final 2 of Curie? I was watching the webcast and didn't see anything wrong.

There really wasn't one. Here's my understanding of what went on:
After the match (and after the final score was released) one out of four of the referees thought a blue tube hadn't been scored. They were unable to check their scoring PDAs because they apparently do not save the matches. They then decided to repeat the match based on that one opinion.

Keep in mind that no matter where the blue alliance's tube was, they would not have won that match.

XaulZan11 15-04-2007 16:45

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To clearify some things on Curie:

1732 did ask both 330 and 1114 to join us, although they both told us they would decline. We knew we had no chance if 330 and 1114 were together, so we had to split them up.

For the 2nd finals match that was replayed. After the score was announced that the red alliance (1732, 67, and 48) won the match, and putting on our robots for the 3rd match, they announced that it didn't count to a field problem. So, the head ref told us that one of the refs questioned the score on the screen. They thought that blue had scored more tubes on the bottom and when the PDA tranferred the information to the screen, the score got screwed up. So, since the PDAs don't store the information and they couldn't go back at the video, the whole match needed to be replayed.

I know that we lost the next match and it would seem that it wouldn't had mattered, but it was huge. We had a ton of momentium after winning the 2nd match and we were already to win the 3rd match when we found out that it didn't count. So, after finding out we had to beat such an amazing alliance three times in a row, the whole alliance's moral sank.

Karthik 15-04-2007 18:38

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Originally Posted by Bongle (Post 616706)
Maybe part of it is that when the triplets were all together, tactics-development proceeded at three times the rate. 1503/1680 might try something with their robot, and say "hey, this worked for us", and so their tactics would evolve quickly.

Or maybe people shouldn't make assumptions about the inner workings of a team. Especially when it's so easy to come to us and ask. The situation you described is completely inaccurate in describing the 2005 & 2006 NiagaraFIRST collaborations.

Travis Hoffman 15-04-2007 18:53

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Originally Posted by Andy330 (Post 616979)
Going back a ways... (I hate to leave a question unanswered if I don't have to)

I just talked to one of the drivers from team 330. Apparently even they weren't told what the field fault was. Maybe we'll need to get one of the field refs to truly explain what happened.

But I have my own personal speculation. In "fake" finals match 2, team 910 rested the keeper right on top of the spider leg as autonomous mode expired, but didn't release it. One of the referees came out and removed the keeper before manual mode started. However, in the very next match ("real" finals match 2), 910 again rested a keeper in scoring position on the spider leg as autonomous mode expired, but again failed to release it. This time it was counted.

My thought is that maybe, in "fake" finals match 2, the refs misinterpreted the rules regarding the scoring of keepers in autonomous mode. They determined that they inadvertantly had given the other alliance an unfair advantage and decided to replay the match. I don't know. It's just a brainstorm.

http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2...ur_fm2_BAD.wmv

I think it's clear from the video that 910's keeper is not scored according to any interpretation of the rules. I would expect to hear another reason as to why the match was replayed.

pjamma 15-04-2007 20:40

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The reason the match was replayed was because one of the referees thought that the score was wrong on the board a few minutes after the match.
"Field Reset"

George A. 16-04-2007 01:41

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Anyone know if the matches from Einstein will be posted anywhere?

Andy330 16-04-2007 02:33

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Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 617233)
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2...ur_fm2_BAD.wmv

I think it's clear from the video that 910's keeper is not scored according to any interpretation of the rules. I would expect to hear another reason as to why the match was replayed.

Very true; I stand corrected. I guess I thought, the first time I watched it, that 910 had gotten the keeper past the stinger. Obviously that wasn't the case.

Vikesrock 16-04-2007 21:34

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Originally Posted by M.O.R.T. (Post 617515)
Anyone know if the matches from Einstein will be posted anywhere?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...instein+videos

They are up at The Blue Alliance


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