Poll: Best Autonomous(read the 1st post before voting)
 

I made a list from the previous thread and made a poll
Here is the Rules
Please look at the videos of teams from www.thebluealliance.com and then vote.

Judging citeria:
1.most accurate
2.Fastest
3.Best programming
4.Coolest

we need at least 100 votes for accurate results so tell every body to vote.

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1902 hands down.

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other.

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It might be biased, but i picked 79. That is one major reason they were at the top of our pick list (That and the fact that they can pick up off the back 9 like a pro).

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Tough pick between 1902, 1114, 223, and 79. I voted for 233 in the poll, you just can't beat a consistent high row auton. 1902 and 1114 are both ridiculously good as well, and 79's behind the back is not only cool but amazingly accurate as well. All four of them are crazy, picking just one is difficult.

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Most accurate autonomous goes to the teams who used the camera. Of the ones I saw in person, I thought 910 and 1730 were money in the bank. We had the privilege of partnering with 1730 at BMR and until their arm ran into some mechanical issues in the elimination rounds, they were a score almost every time. Same went for 910 in the Curie division. Every team I would watch a match, 910 would be in it and they would put that ringer on the middle row.

The coolest looking one would have to be 79 though. I managed to watch one of the elimination round matches in the division they were on and that arm movement was freaking unbelievable. You couldn't help but cheer after watching them do their autonomous.

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Please do not vote unless you have seen every team on the list atleast several times in a match. Otherwise, it won't be fair.

I personally like 233 the best, but only saw it on eisnstein and twice on archimedes.

79 and 67 were pretty good.

Also, both 330 and 368 deserve an honorable mention.

330 was pretty consistent for not using any sensors at all.

Also, 368 programmed their auton in 1/2 and hour at san diego and it scored 30-50% of the time

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Did anyone see team 39s autonomous. the voters seem to be all from other dvisions than newton.

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Other.

1038--When their autonomous wasn't hitting the green light it was SICK. It was crazy to watch that robot dunk keepers on the top row.

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I certainly most of the voters in this poll have at least seen video of your autonomous, as it was among the best. Regardless though, it seems like you've made this and another thread with the mere desire to confirm your belief that your autonomous was the best in FIRST, and it seems to have backfired, with most of the attention going to 1902 and 1114. And rightfully so, 1902 and 1114 had amazing autonomous, probably the two most consistent. 1902 was probably also the fastest autonomous scoring machine, and capable of scoring on both the bottom and middle in auto.

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Thanks for the props!

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since the blue alliance site isn't working for me i voted for the one that stuck out in my mind the most-1902 at the florida regional they rarely missed the spider (I only remember them missing one time) they were quick and extremely efficient

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not to brag about my own team or anything but here is a link to a video that may spark some votes out way,
http://media.putfile.com/Newton-Matc...0-Another-View
AND ANOTHER VIEW
http://media.putfile.com/Newton-Match-66-340

even with nasty defense from 49 robotic knights (props by the way) we scored...
and we still owe those programmers a coke :D

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There was a team that I saw on a practice field that actually used a sonar system to gauge where the spider legs were. Anyone have any more info on this? I can't remember the team number or anything else about it..

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Bomb Squad 16 does this (3 sonar sensors). Works well with their swerve drive

We also used a single sonar and IR senor for Spiderlegs "inbetween" lights. We use the camera to get close and the sonar and IR to finish the job. Not as high percentage as on Lighted rows.

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I have to say that I was amazingly impressed by all of the teams on this poll. I know at first I found the way 233 let the tube out to be inefficient (every time I saw a tube touching the pvc then getting pulled back off when the gripper released a little piece of me died inside). I was so glad to see them fix that movement by Atlanta to where it smoothly let go of the tube, and it always did a great job. The same goes with how great it was seeing 79 improve as time went on. Finally, of course 1114 just.. yea, wow. I was amazingly impressed by their consistency as well. Another great mention is 148, I loved the vex model they used in testing as well (watching the 1902 and 148 vex bots chasing the scale model of the 1902 FRC bot in the pits was absolutely adorable)

In the end, and I spent awhile debating this since I usually find it to be rude to vote for your own team, I did place my vote in for 1902. The primary reason (as I ended up being an onlooker in terms of programming this year with my busy schedule) was probably more of the backend. I was amazingly proud to see the way 1902 created a very methodical vex-based system in which every sensor system was thoroughly tested before ever making a decision. Seeing in the end the programmer's making a rational choice over a pride based one as they decided to take a chance with EasyC when all of the programmers were well-versed in C was one amazing thing to see (I definitely was one of those that had trouble with that change at first). Seeing the 7 different vex bots that were designed out of parts that students donated from their own kits they had received as christmas/birthday/etc. presents was very very cool. It provided a set of tools that we were able to exchange with other teams that were trying non-camera methods (i.e. IR/Ultrasonic/etc.). So, in the end, seeing both the inside and the outside of 1902s setup this year made me step back and say "The end result is just the showcase of the amazing backend that was used to develop it as well as a plan for future years." This poll does just ask for the end result, and I feel that the process did in turn make that impression both on and off of the field. I find that as my justification to step out of my comfort bubble and make that vote.

To the teams I didn't specifically point out in this post though, there isn't a single post in this thread I don't agree with so far and all of the people in the poll itself did a great job (I was curious how some teams such as 148 didn't get into this poll, they had issues in Atlanta because of lighting but their program itself was rock-solid). Great job everybody!

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1425, maybe?

I believe they used similar sensors for their autonomous.

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ours would have been good if there weren't major differences between our practice bot and our comp bot... it led to disaster (with the kPID gains). Also, our camera's smashing in SF1 at newton didnt help much either.

in any case, i found 111's auto to be very amusing... their method was awesome

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I agree 111's autonomous was great.

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when 340 was able to score after it got knocked...that was it.

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It stopped working as soon as we got it to the Championship, but worked about 75% of the time in the finals at Vegas.

It seemed that 1902 had theirs working perfectly... Then in every match I watched at the Championships it failed, what happened 1902?

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The first time we missed in qualifying was due to a broken camera that we did not catch until right before heading out to the match, and the second time we missed was in our last match we decided to try out a brand new mode that went for the side goal and the rack was turned away from us just a little too far.


During eliminations we ende up having to replace one or both of our Banebots controlling our arm several times throughout the tournament and were not able to be as accurate as we had been all year.

Thanks for everyone that voted for us! The programming team spent many hours working on the robot an was a huge key to our sucess so I know they appreciate all the kind words.

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I would also have chosen Team 67 they had an awesome autonomous, although they might have not been one of the fastest in scoring, they were reliable and usually mixed it up between the middle and lower spider to keep the defending teams in autonomous guessing where they would score.

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Are you referring to Einstein? I think 1902, and others, had trouble with the additional lighting, although I may be wrong.

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Hey all, in case you didn't get a chance to see our autonomous mode in action, here it is, minus the scores from the New Jersey regional and the Championship event, those will be included later on.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?p=621018

Thanks for watching,
/dan

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I know we had no issues tracking the light, the way our code is set up if it hadn't seen the light it would have stayed home (a safety measure we put in the code to avoid the autonomous doing something silly). From everything I saw I think that in the end the 1" tolerance rules probably was what hit us. I feel pretty safe in that for the fact that our camera alone has like an entire sheet of "pre-match" checks to make sure it's in specific alignment each time (since obviously a degree or two off can significantly effect calibrations) Something on Einstein was physically out of skew a little bit, but I couldn't tell you what or how to be honest. The light may have been an inch lower (which at those angles would effect the calibration the most) than it should have been or the chain a little taught on one of the spiders, I'm not sure... but something was different on Einstein from the calibration values we've used throughout the year at regionals/Galileo/practice fields/etc. and I think it caught us off guard.

At that point, when you are on Einstein, to risk an untested code change to hopefully fix that problem is too high of a risk for the possible benefit, hence why the same problem occurred in the same way each time. It's ashame, but that's part of the game! :)

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Everyone that went to Boilermaker should know the answer to this one...1730!

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As engineer over 1902 and over auto mode, Einstein was frustrating. I don't think anyone made an auto mode in Einstein.

Reasons for us:
Round 1. We were having arm problems and needed to adjust. Fixed it.

Round 2 and 3. Arm ok. Didn't realize this until I reviewed the tapes. Our partner hit the rack just as we did and knocked the rack ringer over just enough to make us miss. both rounds 2 and 3, they hit just perfectly 1/2 second before us and since it was right next to us threw the ringer off. In hind sight we should have run our 5 second delay which is one of our auto options.

Going from 80-95% to zero in Einstein was and is frustrating, but all part of the game.

Now I got to decide between voting for 1902 or 386. 386 had an exceptional consistency in getting lower rack and would try again if missed and got hit and still made it. 1902 was fast, could do low and middle. Oh the big decisions.

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That's who I thought of but they turned it off for the championship.
Why isn't 1126 on this list?

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Actually, 1425 didn't turn it off. Our lower ultra sonic sensor wasn't working correctly (possibly due to a change we made to strengthen the front end). Looking at the video, I think it almost worked in one match after we made some adjustments, but that match a defensive auto mode pushed the spider legs towards us so we were too close to score.

We really didn't want to change much since we were doing so well in all other respects. In hind sight, the reward may have outweighed the risk.

Our system consisted of 4 ultra-sonic sensors. One low on the robot, aimed to detect the base of the rack. 3 right below our gripper to detect the foot. The basic program for auto mode went like this:

deploy the gripper/tube
start to move the tube to scoring height
start moving forward - timed -
this lets us ignore our lower sensor while it calibrated
and prevented false readings in case it saw the gripper deploy.
using the lower sensor - drive to within scoring distance of the rack
using the upper sensor pod, center the robot on the nearest spider foot
robot turns right/left to seek the foot
If foot found, lower gripper - release tube - wait for auto to end
else release tube regardless at 14.5 seconds

The upper sensors were read by a custom curcuit which fed back 2 bits of target data
to the RC. The data that came back represented the possible foot locations from the
sensor pod's point of view:
Center
Right
Left
Unknown

The original plan was to have more info go back to the RC but our first cut at the communications
did not work and we ran out of time.

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Thanks for the comments for 386! I can't vote yet as I haven't seen videos of all of the choices (the link offered in post 1 is down).

As for speed, I'd say 386 and 1902 were a tie provided that we (386) didn't need a retry. As for consistency, I'd have to give that one to 386 with a 13/14 hit rate (92.85%) on Archimedes regardless of what they did to the rack (and they seemed to twist and translate it EVERY time when we were on the field).

We only missed the first qualifier, but a simple distance tweak fixed that. We were drifting off to the left for a bit, but another small target tweak brought us back into the center. We ended the competition with 100% in the 7 elimination rounds on Archimedes.

As the alliance captain of the finalists on Archimedes, we were the backup 'bot for the division on Einstein. We did check the lighting and alignment on that field and found it to be within our tolerances (lighting was perfect, alignment was close enough).

I suspect that the "brand new field" on Einstein was the cause of 1902's failure to score. The other playfields had bungie's that were steadily stretching causing the spiders under the lights to skew steadily to the side for which we all adjusted our targeting. If you had checked Einstein closely, the spiders were very straight under the lights for the first time since all of our first regionals.

For YouTube views of our Archimedes autonomous along with our toughest and best runs at Palmetto, check out the following links. If you want to see ALL of 386's autonomous executions, check out the BitTorrented videos at http://ldeffenb.dnsalias.net:30049

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iZxxcQADhM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_2BXB8aMU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McvLJym0lhg

Lynn (D) - Team Voltage 386 Software & Coach

2007 Winner of the Championship Innovation in Control Award

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i was wondering that too!!!

i think that we hit on like 85% to 90% throughout the whole year(maybe a little high but im just guessing)

but ne who:D

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I put my voice in for 1902, the accuracy on that hog was outstanding. I would also like to give my honorable mention to 386 with the "cool" factor. Many teams have Easy Buttons in their driver station, but not many teams have a functional Easy Button on their robot that they use as a sensor for autonomous mode.

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I'd love to view the videos and post an educated vote, but the site above has been down for days. Any alternate link to the videos?

Lynn (D) - Team Voltage 386

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The correct link is thebluealliance.net.

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The actual link is www.thebluealliance.net but i cant edit the first post
any advise?

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I am putting together a video of all the various bots auto modes. See the thread below:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=57184

I already have collected myself 33,39, 79. 116, 340, 341, 386. 424. 1629, 1730, 1902 which came out of this discussion.

Go to the thread and add your URL to your video to be added to the video we are making. Please read the rules.

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i vote 1126:D as well, why are they not on the list they were consistent

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is it just me but is the web site down

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1902 dropped theirs every other time I saw them in Vegas and Atlanta. 39 hit their autonomous every single time I saw them in Vegas and Atlanta. I didn't really pay attention to the others. I admit that I'm only judging on accuracy, because in the end unless you can score twice in autonomous or have something extremely valuable to do afterwards, speed & coolness don't matter so long as scoring happens.

340 comes in a close 2nd due to their auto-code's correction after they were "defended" against in Atlanta. That showed true camera calibration and state control, something that's hard to master without several run-time iterations of obscure scenarios.

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If you consult some of the video posted on the Blue Alliance and SOAP you will see that 1902 was actually more accurate than 39.

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I would have said the opposite--I don't think 1902 missed more than once (maybe twice) the entire competition at Vegas

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I have been working on a video of the autnomous robots. Here is a post on an update:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...854#post633854

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I have the first rough pass at the autnomous video. Go to this thread for the url and discussion on the video.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...082#post634082

Once we get the final I will post for all of CD.