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FIXIT 02-05-2007 20:34
Re: WOW-- Did I miss something?
 
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Originally Posted by Liz Smith (Post 624259)
That is the way the play was called. It is over. It's unfortunate that your team got DQed, but thats just the way it is. Bringing up the issue over and over isn't going to change anything.

I am personally offended that you would imply that the referees on the field were biased. None of the referees on that field were against your team, or any other team in the competition. To say that the referees made a call you disagree with is one thing, to say that they made a call because they were biased is not right. You should really think before you post. By making implications like this, it only reflects poorly on you and your team.
Sorry you took offense. I was not implying that the referee favored one team over another. What I meant by “bias” is a personal preference. If you participated in sports, you’ll know what I’m talking about (e.g., home field advantage). As noted throughout this website, some officials were more tolerant of pushing and shoving than others during the competition. This in itself shows bias in judging—not a team preference. Bias is used here to show that people see things differently.

Would you not agree that in the event of a dispute, a consensus of several individuals is much preferable to the opinion of one person? Consensus has the tendency to nullify any bias. That’s why in many big sporting events there is more than one final decision maker. Whether it be more than one referee or instant replay, disputed calls are reviewed. It’s our human nature to want to get it right. I’m sure you agree.

Again, sorry you took offense. Please do not be biased against me for trying to find the answer to a very simple question: What rule was used to disqualify Team 1270 in the Semifinals? I’ve emailed Aiden Browne twice – no response. I contacted FIRST – no response to my question.

Again: What was the ruling that was used to disqualify Team 1270? The announcer after the match said that 1270 was disqualified for “excessive aggressiveness.” The referee told the alliance partners that it was for “contact made outside the bumper zone.” What rule was broken?

Don’t get me wrong, the tournament was great, and we had a blast. And please do not hold it against the entire team that I have an inquisitive nature. That would be unfair -- just as it would be unfair to judge the entire FIRST organization because of one individual.

Please, let’s keep this thread serious. We have speculated enough. If anyone out there knows what the official ruling was – please respond.

FIXIT 02-05-2007 20:44
Re: WOW-- Did I miss something?
 
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Originally Posted by Tim Delles (Post 624264)
I must say that if you believe that people are 100% unbiased then you are clearly wrong.

I would not have been suprised if you had been DQ'd for intentional tipping, because after looking at the footage and pictures that i have and that have been posted it looks as though the Beast was tipped on purpose (I don't know what happened since i am not one of your drivers. all im saying is what it looked like)
Where can we get copies of the footage and pictures that you have of this match?

FIXIT 02-05-2007 20:45
Re: WOW-- Did I miss something?
 
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Originally Posted by Arefin Bari (Post 624261)
At the rate FIRST is growing, it is very hard to keep everyone happy. Championship was last month, it's may now... let's move on to the offseasons, think about which strategies are you going to use to bring the offseason golds home. You guys have an amazing robot and I was privilaged to see it in action in person at the Florida regional and at the Championship event.
Thanks, and I agree, it's time to move on!

FIXIT 02-05-2007 20:46
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Originally Posted by Liz Smith (Post 624266)
I agree with that. But, implying that referees are making calls based on how much they like a team, rather than legitimate rules is offensive.
What was the ruling?

FIXIT 02-05-2007 20:51
Re: WOW-- Did I miss something?
 
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Originally Posted by Squirrel Lord (Post 624267)
What makes me wonder about this call is another group of calls made on another field (go figure):

254 (Cheesy Poofs) was a rather light robot with a relatively high center of gravity, at nationals it was exposed that if you hit them in a certain way, they would tip over. This eventuall meant that for the paltry sum of ten points the other team could force their opponents to go two against 3.
This eventually lost them the match.

Should this be the same call?
My point exactly, people see things differently. When it really counts you should have more than one person making the call.

Liz Smith 02-05-2007 20:58
Re: WOW-- Did I miss something?
 
My advice is to let this go, and start thinking about the off season, and next season. Here is what I'll leave you with.

9.6.2Referee Interaction Rules
<T04> The Head Referee has the ultimate authority on the field during the competition. THE
HEAD REFEREE RULINGS ARE FINAL! The referee will not review recorded replays
under any circumstance.
<T05> If a team needs clarification on a ruling or score, a pre-college student from that team
should address the Head Referee after a field reset has been signaled. Depending on
timing, the Head Referee may postpone any requested discussion until the end of the
subsequent match. Head Referees will only discuss calls, scores, penalties or match
outcomes with pre-college team members.

As outlined in the manual, if you wanted to know what the official ruling was, or had questions about it, a pre-college drive team member should have brought up the issue with the head referee right after the match. I think all this energy could be put to a lot better use. This is all I have to say on this matter.

FIXIT 02-05-2007 21:12
Re: WOW-- Did I miss something?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liz Smith (Post 624279)
My advice is to let this go, and start thinking about the off season, and next season. Here is what I'll leave you with.

9.6.2Referee Interaction Rules
<T04> The Head Referee has the ultimate authority on the field during the competition. THE
HEAD REFEREE RULINGS ARE FINAL! The referee will not review recorded replays
under any circumstance.
<T05> If a team needs clarification on a ruling or score, a pre-college student from that team
should address the Head Referee after a field reset has been signaled. Depending on
timing, the Head Referee may postpone any requested discussion until the end of the
subsequent match. Head Referees will only discuss calls, scores, penalties or match
outcomes with pre-college team members.

As outlined in the manual, if you wanted to know what the official ruling was, or had questions about it, a pre-college drive team member should have brought up the issue with the head referee right after the match. I think all this energy could be put to a lot better use. This is all I have to say on this matter.

Thanks, I am well aware of all of this, and we followed the required procedures. I simply want to know what the official rulling was. You were there--do you know what the official ruling was? It seems to me that in a match of this magnitude the official rulling should have been quickly anounced -- it was not!

cam-man 17-05-2007 23:30
Re: WOW-- Did I miss something?
 
for those looking for video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41lMfJqLPas
This was captured field-side during the match.


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