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alphaone 25-05-2007 19:16

Boeing 787
 
With 787 LN0001 nearing completion, I was curious about what people here thought of it. I'm sure there are plenty of future aero-engineers around. Me, I'm hoping to fly it one day far far in the future. Check out http://flightblogger.blogspot.com/ for tones more info. Planned rollout of LN0001 is on July 8th, this year.

Also of note, the 777 had 2 million lines of code; the 787 has 6.5 million lines of code.

Jon Jack 26-05-2007 01:19

Re: Boeing 787
 
I used to work with a guy at SeaBotix that left to take a job as a designer for Boeing on the 787 project. From what he told me, it's quite an impressive plane. I think he said when he was hired (October of last year) they we hiring roughly 2000 new designers every other week, and paying for their relocation.

On a related note, I read in article in our local paper which might spell bad news for some of the machinists that work for Boeing. The article said that Boeing had outsourced a lot of the fabrication for the plane to outside to company and that it had no plans to return the fabrication to inside the company.

alphaone 28-05-2007 19:13

Re: Boeing 787
 
Here's a picture I found of all of the airlines' tails that will be flying this plane so far:

You may have noticed a certain 3 major american airlines missing from there (United, American, and US Air). They have not decided on the 787 yet and it will be interesting to see what they plan on doing.

Credit for the image obviously goes to flightblogger.com

J Flex 188 28-05-2007 20:59

Re: Boeing 787
 
It's honestly an amazing aircraft, I was reading about the virtual rollout that they did to spot production problems without acutally having the airframe present for it and I was pretty blown away by the fact that they could pull that off and still have sourced out parts to so many different countries and manufacturers. In business, engineering and I guess life, its all about the process and making it as streamlined as possible.

Theres one more tail to add so far at least ;) Joseph Lau has personally ordered a dreamliner for his own exclusive use!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070522/...sinessjet_dc_1

alphaone 31-05-2007 21:22

Re: Boeing 787
 
There's a rumor going around that American Airlines is planning a massive order with boeing at the paris airshow (June 18-24).

100-125 787's plus options for 100 more
some more 777's (number unknown)
100 737-800's

That's a lot of $$$

The 787's will be for replacing the airline's 767's and A300's. And the 737's will be for replacing the MD-80's. As for the 777 - nothing can replace that right now.

KTorak 31-05-2007 23:00

Re: Boeing 787
 
It's going to be one heck of an airplane. As will the other variants that Boeing intends on making, based off of the success of the 787.

alphaone 01-06-2007 20:01

Re: Boeing 787
 
Yeah I'm kinda curious to see what is going to happen with the 747-8i (the new variant of the 747 based on 787 tech). I can't figure out if there's actually a market for it right now or not. There's also the 737RS (same type of deal), which may or may not happen.

Also, the assembly process of LN0001, now known as ZA0001, is nearly completed. All that remains is the final integration of the last remaining major parts. The system software for the aircraft is being installed and tested. The aircraft is due to enter the paintshop on June 25th for the July 8th rollout ceremony.

DonRotolo 01-06-2007 23:22

Re: Boeing 787
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaone (Post 630197)
the 747-8i (the new variant of the 747 based on 787 tech). I can't figure out if there's actually a market for it right now or not.

Yes, as an alternative to the A380, but which can land at several hundred more airports. That's the A380's weakness (for now) - during a recent stop at LAX (not a small airport) they didn't even have a gate that could accomodate it. They had to fool with the airstairs trucks to even get in and out...

Don

Stephi Rae 02-06-2007 04:07

Re: Boeing 787
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaone (Post 630197)
The aircraft is due to enter the paintshop on June 25th for the July 8th rollout ceremony.

I was able to see a video of how they redesigned the look for boeing (from what I understand a similar new paint job will be put on all boeing aircraft from now on) for the 787 in order to "target a younger, more active audience" as well as video of the actual painting process. I was even fortunate enough to get to hold the tape covered in paint that was protecting a window of the aircraft (not a 787 obviously, but another)... major observation was that the paint is extremely sparkly... :rolleyes:

All in all an interesting process...

alphaone 03-06-2007 02:14

Re: Boeing 787
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 630212)
Yes, as an alternative to the A380, but which can land at several hundred more airports. That's the A380's weakness (for now) - during a recent stop at LAX (not a small airport) they didn't even have a gate that could accomodate it. They had to fool with the airstairs trucks to even get in and out...

Don

Correct, however, I still don't know if there's a large market for a new 747 right now. They already have the 380 to look at and that's not going well for the 380. The thing is the market is already saturated with 747's, many of them being very new. Those planes are a massive investment and airplanes can't just go willy nilly and upgrade their fleet all the time. Therein lies the problem.

alphaone 06-06-2007 18:25

Re: Boeing 787
 
They're starting to put the wings on now. They say that they expect that that will take about 2 weeks. Also the aft fuselage mounting to the center fuselage section has been stopped because they unexpectedly ran out of fasteners. Can you say oops? Someone's in trouble..

cooker52 07-06-2007 15:30

Re: Boeing 787
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaone (Post 630764)
Also the aft fuselage mounting to the center fuselage section has been stopped because they unexpectedly ran out of fasteners.

Yeah, big oops. But hey, mistakes happen. Unluckily, someone is going to have to pay. I feel sorry for that person and hope their boss is mericful.

DonRotolo 07-06-2007 21:57

Re: Boeing 787
 
I called them and offered them a bag of 1/8" pop rivets, but they said they got some now, but thanks anyway...

alphaone 07-06-2007 23:27

Re: Boeing 787
 
"If I work for Boeing and I'm in Seattle on July 8th, where can I watch [the rollout]?

Boeing is permitting 50,000 employees and retirees to come to a simulcast at Qwest Field. Attendance is limited to 50,000 people, and registrations will be accepted on a first-come, first-served basis. The first 25,000 guests will receive a 787 glider as a souvenir."

That is one of the coolest things I've heard a company do. So cool.. It's also going to be broadcast live on dishnetwork and directv, and the internet.

J Flex 188 09-06-2007 01:46

Re: Boeing 787
 
Hmm, I had been hearing about that for awhile and they mentioned that supply was tight because they optioned it out to Alcoa, but I thought they had solved those problems. At least they were aware of it, but its weird that they couldn't solve it?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaone (Post 630764)
They're starting to put the wings on now. They say that they expect that that will take about 2 weeks. Also the aft fuselage mounting to the center fuselage section has been stopped because they unexpectedly ran out of fasteners. Can you say oops? Someone's in trouble..


popo308 09-06-2007 02:22

Re: Boeing 787
 
NATHAN ASNER {Randomest kid you will ever meet}

What if the plane had a cheese machine and it despensed swiss and cheddard.

alphaone 10-06-2007 14:08

Re: Boeing 787
 
Begone! For this is not for your brains.

In other news, Rolls-Royce shipped one of the two Trent 1000 engines to boeing. This is good. I was worried that the engines would not be ready in time. Engines not being ready has a habit of killing airplanes.

Jeremiah Johnson 10-06-2007 19:38

Re: Boeing 787
 
From the previously posted article:

Quote:

A new plant in Suzhou, China, will open next year after three years of construction, Christopher said.
This makes me very angry. I'm sure this will cause downsizing at our local Alcoa, that employs a large part of the Quad Cities workforce...

alphaone 10-06-2007 20:47

Re: Boeing 787
 
Well if there is a global shortage of fasteners isn't this a good thing overall?

alphaone 13-06-2007 15:52

Re: Boeing 787
 
Update: picture of the wing going on: http://bp2.blogger.com/_9PoYPYFFn4Y/...-h/787wing.jpg

Jeremiah Johnson 14-06-2007 00:37

Re: Boeing 787
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaone (Post 631343)
Well if there is a global shortage of fasteners isn't this a good thing overall?

NO!?! I'll be out of a job... or they'd move me to that gosh-darn tool department. :eek:

Heh, in all seriousness, why would it be a good thing?

alphaone 14-06-2007 14:56

Re: Boeing 787
 
Ok, I know virtually nothing about this area of trade, but if Alcoa can't keep up with demand and another company builds a new factory of their own: what is wrong with that?

But hey, I'm just a pilot. :)

Jeremiah Johnson 14-06-2007 21:43

Re: Boeing 787
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaone (Post 631762)
Ok, I know virtually nothing about this area of trade, but if Alcoa can't keep up with demand and another company builds a new factory of their own: what is wrong with that?

But hey, I'm just a pilot. :)

It's Alcoa that's building a plant in China, if I understood it correctly. I guess, not such a bad thing since they are hiring back to full capacity, but it'd just be nice to have the Quad Cities back in the top 5 most industrialized cities, like it was back in the middle of the 20th century

alphaone 14-06-2007 22:49

Re: Boeing 787
 
Ah ok, like I said, I don't really know anything about it.

alphaone 21-06-2007 16:06

Re: Boeing 787
 
As another update; the 787 is nearly complete. Everything is on the airplane except for the engines, landing gear, and vertical stabilizer. It's still on schedule for going in for paint on the 25th, if not sooner. Everything is looking good for the rollout on 7/8/07. First flight is expected to be around 8/15/07. No official date has been set.

J Flex 188 23-06-2007 20:25

Re: Boeing 787
 
Meanwhile, Qatar Airways recently had that 17 billion.. think about that again, BILLION dollar order for the A380, along with news of another person wanting to retrofit the A380 for a private personal jet.

Still, no one can argue with the fuel savings of a composite based aircraft =)

alphaone 24-06-2007 02:04

Re: Boeing 787
 
The A380 is too big. Plain and simple. Airbus would have been better off making a direct competitor to the 747 (something in the same size range, but with composites and other new technologies). Even so, things are looking good for aviation right now. Lots of very good new commercial aircraft coming out. Bombardier just launched the CRJ Next-gen. Bombardier is also studying a 90 seat version of it's Q400 (dash 8) series turboprop. The Embraer 170 and 190 series are doing well. Sukhoi is working on their new airliner called the Superjet (and Boeing is helping them). And who can forget the VLJ "gold rush" that's happening. It really is an exciting time in this business.

alphaone 26-06-2007 22:16

Re: Boeing 787
 
It's finished: http://bp0.blogger.com/_9PoYPYFFn4Y/...8718x88j9E.jpg

Boeing rolled it across the field to the paint shop under cover of darkness last night.

Jeremiah Johnson 29-06-2007 02:51

Re: Boeing 787
 
It doesn't look THAT big... But then again, I know nothing of planes.

alphaone 29-06-2007 16:09

Re: Boeing 787
 
It's not designed to be big. Its size is comparable to the 767. Also, this is the 787-8 version, which is the mid sized one. There is a 787-3 planned which is a version aimed at high frequency domestic flights (it is virtually the same as the 787-8,but it has shorter wings and uses winglets), and a 787-9 version, which is stretched and is aimed at longer distance flights carrying more people.

alphaone 06-07-2007 23:08

Re: Boeing 787
 
If you're interested in watching the rollout this sunday live, info here: http://787premiere.newairplane.com/


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