Chief Delphi - November 3, 2007 Brunswick Eruption 6

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Re: November 3, 2007 Brunswick Eruption 6

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Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 650759)

Combined with 1626, they were unstoppable (No disrespect to the other alliance members)

Don

You're telling me.

Signed,

0-3 against 1626 this year

Re: November 3, 2007 Brunswick Eruption 6

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Originally Posted by BasicKudosError (Post 650739)

Well, I just finished digitizing all of my tapes from North Brunswick. It was a great event and everyone did a great job. It feels great to finally see a competition after several months with no FRC. Congratulations to teams 1626,25,1923,and 222. You guys did an amazing job. Despite this, I was, however, a bit surprised about a calling made in one of the matches.

I was watching the final match of the day and it seems that the referees handled the penalties wrong. This corresponds to rule <R25>. To my knowledge, being in the opposing alliance's home-zone at the start of the end-game is a 10 point penalty. Another 10 point penalty is assessed for every five seconds of sitting in the opposing alliance home-zone after the initial penalty. The video that I have shows team 1923 in the home-zone for eight seconds after the start of the end-game. This means that the red alliance would incur an additional 10-point penalty. I am not sure if this would change the out come of the match, but it is something that was over looked in the heat of the moment.

I was also a bit surprised at the previous match (the final one was a replay of this match). During this match team 25 repeatedly rammed the player station. While there is the argument that they were trying to knock the tubes down so they could pick them up, and I realize that this is the only way some teams can pick up tubes, like team 1626, team 25 never once picked up any of these tubes. At one point they rammed something which disabled something on the blue alliance causing the match to be replayed. I am not sure if this would violate rule <R35>.

At any rate, I was just curious to see if anybody else noticed this. Maybe this is just splitting hairs, but what do you guys think?

I can try to answer these points. I think both of them can be attributed to the distance from the view of the player station and the action on the field.

Our driver Morgan does get a little overzealous in bumping the wall to knock down the tubes. The maneuver is supposed to bump the standing tubes and make them fall forward. What we don't want is to pop them and make a mess nor do we want to smash through the player station wall, damaging the NASA field and killing somebody. So all I can say is that in the heat of the game he got a little too fast and kaboom. Of course when other robots are all over you it is sometimes hard to to the flip and pick up the tubes you knock down. You may recall a few blind grabs they missed along the far wall. You will also recall our whole grabber flopping side to side in the eliminations rounds. We broke it in the QFs and replaced the entire thing in the pits between rounds. However the tubing we use to stabilize it was just thrown on and needed to be tightened a lot. So placing tubes was becoming a challenge while we were under pressure.

As for the penalties- As I understand it, the objective of the round was to put up a bunch of tubes and pull attention off 1626 while they continued to do so. The plan was for 25 and 1923 to park just off the end zone and apply the brakes in a broadside position so the two robots couldn't get the running start they needed to get up the ramp in the final 15 seconds of the game. I think 1923 drifted back over the line and incurred the penalties because they couldn't see their position clearly due to the rack in the way. I think they called 2 penalties for over the line but the score was high enough anyway to win by a few points

Believe me, as the guy on the outside line, I was thinking "oh great- a controversy in the finals- and it's so late already!'' Winning the event wasn't as important to us as doing our best for the alliance partners and playing the game. I hope everybody enjoyed the day and has some fond memories of it.

WC :cool:

Re: November 3, 2007 Brunswick Eruption 6

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Originally Posted by BasicKudosError (Post 650739)

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Originally Posted by 2007 FRC manual

<G25>END GAME play – ROBOTS may not occupy the opponents HOME ZONE during the END GAME. Any ROBOT in an opponent’s HOME ZONE at the start of the END GAME will be assessed a 10-point penalty. A second 10-point penalty will be assessed if the ROBOT is still in the HOME ZONE 5 seconds after the start of the END GAME. Another 10-point penalty will be assessed if the ROBOT remains in the HOME ZONE 10 seconds after the start of the END GAME. However, a ROBOT that has been blocked or otherwise prevented from exiting the HOME ZONE (as described in Rule <G24>) will not be assessed any penalty.

So if they were there for 8 seconds after the start of the END GAME, then they would have the 10 point penalty for being there at the start and another for being there 5 seconds after the start. The next penalty would only be assessed if they were in the home zone 10 seconds after the start of the END GAME.

Re: November 3, 2007 Brunswick Eruption 6

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Originally Posted by Wayne C. (Post 650784)

Thanks for clearing that up. I figured that the differences in the score would be such that it wouldn't make a difference, but curiosity got the better of me.

I am just a bit curious about one thing. Since it appears that team 25 knocked the wall warts out of the socket when they hit the player station, does that mean that the configuration of the area controllers was different
than it was at a regional. I noticed that they weren't in the sealed metal case below the player station, but is the setup with power different?

Anyway, thank you to everyone for clearing that up. Thank you Wayne for clearing up what exactly happened during that match (my camera angle was a bit too tight to get the overall picture).

Re: November 3, 2007 Brunswick Eruption 6

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Originally Posted by BasicKudosError (Post 650891)

I am just a bit curious about one thing. Since it appears that team 25 knocked the wall warts out of the socket when they hit the player station, does that mean that the configuration of the area controllers was different
than it was at a regional. I noticed that they weren't in the sealed metal case below the player station, but is the setup with power different?

Brunswick Eruption (along with several other off-season events, including Duel on the Delaware, Ramp Riot, the Virginia State Fair, and Rah Cha Cha Ruckus if I remember) uses the NASA Field, which is owned and run by NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. While strikingly similar to the FIRST-owned fields at regionals and the Championship in many regards (particularly this season, with its field-spec rack), their setup is different in the electrical department (and elsewhere--look at the carpet for a good example). Naturally, my picture collection is failing me right now for showing the differences.