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Dave Flowerday 12-06-2007 15:21

Re: flash drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavan (Post 631542)
That "Safely Remove Your Hardware" mumbo jumbo is exactly that, mumbo jumbo. If you use your brain and wait until the drive is stopped and than remove it you will be safe.

It's not mumbo-jumbo. If you know what's going on under the hood you'd understand why. It's difficult for you, as a user, to understand when the OS is finished writing to the drive. If your flash drive has a light on it that turns on during writes, that helps, but it's no guarantee.

With Windows XP, write caching has been disabled on removable drives, so the likelihood of corruption is low, but not zero. Basically, each time you yank it out without safely removing it you take the risk of corrupting either the file you were working on or the whole disk (if the FAT is corrupted). If you're using Windows 2000, I believe it still caches writes to removable drives so I highly recommend removing the drives safely only on that OS.

Now, that being said, I myself yank drives out w/o proper shutdown all the time. However, I only keep data on my flash drive that is also copied somewhere else so if I manage to corrupt it it's really only an annoyance. Worst case I corrupt the file or need to reformat the drive, but both of those are acceptable risks to me. It's very, very unlikely that you could actually damage a disk to the point of not being able to reformat it by unsafely removing it.

tseres 12-06-2007 15:25

Re: flash drive
 
ya.....except my flash drive is now dead. i cant even re-format it, and i've tried on about 3 different computers. now i'm mad cuz i have to buy a new one.

Pavan Dave 12-06-2007 15:41

Re: flash drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Flowerday (Post 631548)
It's not mumbo-jumbo. If you know what's going on under the hood you'd understand why. It's difficult for you, as a user, to understand when the OS is finished writing to the drive. If your flash drive has a light on it that turns on during writes, that helps, but it's no guarantee.

With Windows XP, write caching has been disabled on removable drives, so the likelihood of corruption is low, but not zero. Basically, each time you yank it out without safely removing it you take the risk of corrupting either the file you were working on or the whole disk (if the FAT is corrupted). If you're using Windows 2000, I believe it still caches writes to removable drives so I highly recommend removing the drives safely only on that OS.

Now, that being said, I myself yank drives out w/o proper shutdown all the time. However, I only keep data on my flash drive that is also copied somewhere else so if I manage to corrupt it it's really only an annoyance. Worst case I corrupt the file or need to reformat the drive, but both of those are acceptable risks to me. It's very, very unlikely that you could actually damage a disk to the point of not being able to reformat it by unsafely removing it.

I guess I kind of agree with you. I do not know exactly what is under the hood (although the 'hood' is clear) I do agree that there is some risk involved. I use it at work and I always make sure that the file I'm working on is closed, and usually when I pull my pin out, it has been inactive for at least half a minute of not more than 10 or 15. I still stand by my statement that if you make sure that your drive is not 'running' and wait a few seconds it will be okay. That said, time to see what is under the hood...after I back everything up of course! :D

Peace.

EHaskins 12-06-2007 17:11

Re: flash drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tseres (Post 631549)
ya.....except my flash drive is now dead. i cant even re-format it, and i've tried on about 3 different computers. now i'm mad cuz i have to buy a new one.

Try formating it from a non-Microsoft formating app, or even better a Linux Live CD. Those can be willing to try to do something Windows would never try.

Buying a new one isn't that bad, you can get a 2gb for $25.

chris31 12-06-2007 21:17

Re: flash drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tseres (Post 631549)
ya.....except my flash drive is now dead. i cant even re-format it, and i've tried on about 3 different computers. now i'm mad cuz i have to buy a new one.

I lost mine awhile ago and just bought one this weekend. Check the ads in the newspaper for places like Office Depot, Best Buy, and Staples. There were 512mb ones for $9 and 1gb for $12 this weekend which really isnt that much money and I rarely spend money.

tseres 13-06-2007 16:05

Re: flash drive
 
maybe in the US...in Canada it's usually more expensive. o well, school's almost over :)


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