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We recently had a presentation from a professor from Purdue. They are working on a way to get ethanol out of cellulose (basic plant cell wall material) working specifically with poplar trees. There is not currently a commercially-viable method to separate the cellulose from the lignen which binds it together.

He said Indiana is currently the 5th largest producer of corn in the US. They are building new plants to extract ethanol from corn - I believe he said 6 new plants are under construction. If they all come online, Indiana will not have enough corn to fuel the plants = they will have to import it. The price of corn and all animal products (meat, milk, eggs) from livestock that eats corn will be going up.

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"If you used something to create salt water that was then used by the RF during peak hours I could see what the benefit could be. But they are already using hydorgen fuel cells to do this."

My idea was, during NON-peak hours, use excess generation to Use the RF Devices to Seperate out the Hydrogen and Oxygen into storage Cells. Then, during Peak load, Use the aforementioned Hydrogen to run a fuel cell. This would be a No-fuel device. It would recreate the water during the fuel cell operation, AND the excess generation from Non-peak load times could be stored in Chemical Form. There would be no cost for Pressurized Hydrogen, or Coal, or Natural Gas (all of which can be used to run a fuel Cell). Its a huge idea if this RF generator works the way I believe it does.

It could be used very versatilely withe Wind Generation, as well as Nuclear Power Plants. Where Wind Power is very volatile, during over generation, the power could be stored, and bled out over time with lower generation to normalize the power output. With Nuclear Gen, the power curve of those Plants is a Straight line. If there is not enough load for their Output, they have to shut down. Why waste the generation? Save it up chemically as such.

I just gave a presentation on future generation and integration of renewable's as well as the environmental impact (or lack thereof besides in manufacturing). Renewables are a great idea, but very impracticle for a stable grid. It will take power storage devices as the one I've mentioned above, along with installation of FACTS devices over every major transmission line along with HVDC redundancy to work reliably, and the Power companies, in this Deregulated market, are not willing to make that type of investment. It would drive their electricity prices to be not competitive.

Re-regulating the market might be a start to fixing that.

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I know what the advantages of using a storage system of some kind cause I have done research into the subject (not as in depth as I might like...) However we have not determined that the RF genorator makes H2 and O. As has already been stated in this discussion it doesn't look like that type of flame and could be something like a sodium and water reaction. In addition it produces a flame which means that an added process of separating the two gasses (if indeed that is what is produced) would need to be added. I agree that if it does do this and is more efficient than electrolosis...

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I'm not a huge fan of bringing back dead threads and please no one flip out at me, but there have been a lot of articles recently about this invention that I thought some here may be interested in...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007..._from_salt.php

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2...lvania-ma.html

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I would have to say it's a subtle fraud. I can't find any attribution to his name on any website that describes using microwaves to treat cancer even though an article says they licencsed his technology. The best way to tell is to actually contact the people who are actually doing research with microwaves and contact them. I'm sure they'd be really happy to prove that it wasn't his idea.

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Kanzius's Patent Application

Can't get to much more official than the US Patent and Trademark office. He has more patents filed in addition to that if you search.

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You'll find a lot of stuff in the US Patent and Trademark office. Not all of it actually works as advertised. That said, I attended a seminar yesterday about using RF to treat cancer. The original method used an invasive needle with a small electrical charge at the end. The RF excited the electrically charged needle tip and heated up the surrounding area, destroying the cancer.. and anything in the area of heating around the tip. This surgeon received FDA approval for that back in 2001, in fact. Problem was it was invasive and all. So he's now doing research to make it non-invasive using nanotubes or gold nanoparticles in the tumor instead of the probe. He also mentioned that with enough RF, you can heat up anything with some molecules with some excitable electrons in it, like metals or nanotubes.

So:
A. The burning salt water or whatever is probably being heated to the point that the water is dissociating into H2 and O2, and then igniting again to form the flame. Plus some sodium in there for the color. I can't possibly believe this is an over unity or even anywhere close to unity process.
B. If he focused enough RF at a tumor he probably could heat it enough to destroy it. However he'd also heat also heat anything on the way in and out and he'd need a heck of an RF field besides. And he'd still have to aim the thing precisely at all the cancerous cells, etc. On the whole I think the talk I heard yesterday is much more on the right track to destroying tumors with targeted nanoparticles. And I really hope this guy doesn't decide that infringes on his patents or something.

EDIT:
He apparently actually mentions working with the folks from MD Anderson here that spoke yesterday. I don't know that I actually heard his name mentioned, however. I have a feeling that he's a little more peripheral to the research than he might be portraying things.

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Well it wasn't in the US Patent and Trademark office. I'm talking about the National Cancer Institute which apparently is a part of the National Institute of Health. Not only that but Im finding researchers who basically want to do the same thing that this guy is claiming to do. Here is a website from MIT:
Website Though I admit I first heard of using infrared and the gold nanoparticles to burn the cancer off.