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David Brinza 21-06-2007 03:58

Preview of Dave's "Monster Truck on Mars"
 
Check out the drive train for the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) in action, courtesy the Planetary Society:

MSL is going to be HUGE!

Known as Scarecrow (due to it's lack of a brain), this full-size test model for the mobility system of MSL demonstrates it's ability to negotiate rugged terrain. The
"Monster Truck of Mars" - yet another reason why the 2007 Engelberger Robotics Award for Leadership was bestowed on Dave. So cool...

chris31 21-06-2007 07:47

Re: Preview of Dave's "Monster Truck on Mars"
 
Wow! That is a beast! I wonder what the speed of it is.

JohnBoucher 21-06-2007 08:10

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SWEET

tseres 21-06-2007 08:12

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i want one :)

Tapoore 21-06-2007 09:42

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Nice wheels! ;)

cooker52 21-06-2007 09:45

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<sarcasm>So, how are they getting this one to Mars? It's a BEAST!</sarcasm>
No, it truly is a beast, but NASA always finds a way to get these thing up there. I think we should have a FIRST competition to see who can drive through that kind of terrain the best and just have a full out race.:D I think we need a robot race.

Schnabel 21-06-2007 10:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chris31 (Post 632457)
Wow! That is a beast! I wonder what the speed of it is.

[sarcasm]Only about .567 kph. The torque is amazing though![/sarcasm]

JesseK 21-06-2007 10:14

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Yet another NASAbot with crab drive. I do believe NASA loves crab drive. I wonder what the weight/cost of that thing is and if we can get the drive train in under 75lbs/$3000...

Those wheels look beasty.

Nate Laverdure 21-06-2007 10:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 632473)
Yet another NASAbot with crab drive.

To be technical, depending on the situation, the rover can use any of several steering modes at any time: tank drive, crab/swerve drive, Ackerman drive, and probably one I'm forgetting. The steering system is built on a rocker-bogie suspension system, and the whole thing is a derivative of the systems used on both the Mars Pathfinder and Mars Exploration Rover programs.

EDIT: See here for info on the MER drive system.
EDIT 2: Oh yeah, the one I forgot! To add to the list of modes of steering, the rovers also have a pre-programmed turn-in-place routine, as evidenced here.
EDIT 3: Hey, sorry for all the edits, but check out the rover's right front wheel in the picture I just posted. Notice the lettering hidden in the tread? That's clever.

JesseK 21-06-2007 14:43

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm surprised we havne't seen a rocker-bogie-type drivetrain in FIRST yet, or at least I haven't in the couple of years I've done FIRST.

edit - Well, maybe now that I think about how much force other robots could impact upon your drive train....maybe I'm not so surprised any more...

JaneYoung 21-06-2007 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tseres (Post 632460)
i want one :)

I would be happy just to see it.
To watch it.

Pat McCarthy 21-06-2007 21:08

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That thing is amazing!
But I think those cross-eye stereo images are even more amazing!:yikes:

Kevin Watson 21-06-2007 22:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cooker52 (Post 632468)
<sarcasm>So, how are they getting this one to Mars? It's a BEAST!</sarcasm>
No, it truly is a beast, but NASA always finds a way to get these thing up there. I think we should have a FIRST competition to see who can drive through that kind of terrain the best and just have a full out race.:D I think we need a robot race.

A fair portion of the avionics for MSL are being developed in my group, including the controlller for the Sky Crane.

-Kevin

Nate Laverdure 22-06-2007 07:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Watson (Post 632560)
A fair portion of the avionics for MSL are being developed in my group, including the controlller for the Sky Crane.

-Kevin

That is so cool! I think the retrorocket will turn out to be one of man's greatest inventions. I think I'll kind of miss the giant inflatable bouncing balls that landed Pathfinder and the MERs, through.

seanwitte 22-06-2007 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Watson (Post 632560)
A fair portion of the avionics for MSL are being developed in my group, including the controlller for the Sky Crane.

-Kevin

I remember seeing a preview of the Sky Crane, but the video is incredible. Now you just have to convince the science people to let you land close enough to one of the MER fellas that they can get a picture of the landing. Will it be drop tested before the big trip?

Kevin Watson 22-06-2007 11:34

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Originally Posted by seanwitte (Post 632581)
I remember seeing a preview of the Sky Crane, but the video is incredible. Now you just have to convince the science people to let you land close enough to one of the MER fellas that they can get a picture of the landing. Will it be drop tested before the big trip?

There will be lots of modeling, simulation, and bench testing of the various components, but I'm not sure if there will be a full-up drop test of the sky crane itself. I suspect Dave attended that portion of the Critical Design Review, so you might ask him for a more definitive answer.

-Kevin

cooker52 22-06-2007 11:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Watson (Post 632560)
A fair portion of the avionics for MSL are being developed in my group, including the controlller for the Sky Crane.

-Kevin

Very impressive. Will it be more controllable than the MER on the landing?

Kevin Watson 22-06-2007 12:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cooker52 (Post 632597)
Very impressive. Will it be more controllable than the MER on the landing?

Yes, we'll have more control, but we're still not to the point where we can drop a lander right where we want to. There is a program based at JSC called ALHAT (Autonomous Landing and Hazard Avoidance Technology) that is looking at ways to autonomously land a spacecraft fairly close to a pre-determined location. One of the problems that my group is working on (with folks at Goddard) is providing the computational throughput needed to calculate a safe path to the landing area. Looking at the current algorithms, we think we'll need a computer(s) that can provide a sustained throughput of a few hundred billion calculations per second, which is a few orders of magnitude faster than current flight-qualified CPUs.

-Kevin

Adam Y. 22-06-2007 13:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chris31 (Post 632457)
Wow! That is a beast! I wonder what the speed of it is.

Quote:

[sarcasm]Only about .567 kph. The torque is amazing though![/sarcasm]
Apparently, the speed is limited by the rocker boogie suspension. At least that's what the article on wikipedia says about rocker boogie. It would be really neat if we could get it going faster.

Protronie 22-06-2007 21:55

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Yeah but can it crash a car?
Jump 10 feet in the air?
Or float on a lake?

I don't think Big Foot has anything to worry about :D


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