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Re: The Honor Code of FIRST

Perhaps instances like this are exactly what Mr. Bottiglieri had in mind.
However, I do agree with Mr. Baker in that if you find a rule to be asinine, let the GDC know, don't just pick-and-choose which rules you follow.

Re: The Honor Code of FIRST

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Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 637138)

FIRST is supposed to inspire and prepare kids for a life and career in a science based profession. The last time I checked, the world wasn't "fair". People lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead in every aspect of life. I'm not saying this is justification to go out and break the rules; it is nothing even close to that. With that being said, people really just need to worry about themselves and their team. How far are you willing to push while still feeling comfortable? In reality, this is a question that only YOU are able to answer, and if you break the rules then prepare to suffer whatever consequences await.

Is the world 'fair'? No, absolutely not. But that does not mean that we cannot inspire these kids to be better than that. Lets change the world, 1 person at a time.

If you teach that lying, cheating, and stealing are acceptable ways to get ahead, than that is what these kids will do. I say, take the high road. Show them that lying, cheating, and stealing are wrong and will not be tolerated by our society (in this case, FIRST).

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Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 637138)

What I do not like hearing about is the "vigilantism" that is going on at competitions. I don't care if someone broke every rule in the book... One team has absolutely no right to touch another teams property. Seriously, it's just a game. If everyone could just worry about how much fun they are having rather than how much they disagree with other teams, the program would be much better off.

Here, I completely agree with you. 2 wrongs do not make a right. 'Vigilantism' is just plain wrong. If you see a team not playing by the rules, talk to them. If they dont care, let the proper authority (head referee?) know. Let the system work.

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Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 637234)

Hey, many of the rules can seem almost arbitrary and incompatible with the way some FIRST teams operate.

The "fix-it window" rule is a good example: last year you were allowed two 5-hour periods in which to upgrade, make spare parts or work on software. For some teams, that highly-constrained work period just couldn't work. If, during weekdays, the mentors couldn't show up until after 6 pm and the school or facility where you built the robot required you to leave by 9pm, you basically lost 40% of your fix-it window those days. FIRST could make it easier (and dare I say, more "fair") by allowing teams to have three "fix-it window" sessions with no more than 10 hours cumulative permitted. Under last year's rule, that wasn't an option.

Would you consider a team that worked 3 hours on two weeknights and four hours on Saturday to be taking unfair advantage of other teams? Could YOUR team rationalize this as meeting the spirit of the "fix-it window intent"? (I'm not saying that I know of teams that did this; we certainly didn't.)

As part of the FIRST community, we have the right (actually, the duty) to suggest that the FIRST rules have enough flexibilty to accommodate teams constraints without unduly penalizing them. Why put teams at a disadvantage via somewhat arbitrary rules intended to "level" the playing field?

Honor code is a great thing, but if some of the least enforceable rules seem arbitrarily over-constrained, the temptation to "skirt" them can drive teams down the path to rationalize their deviations from those rules. Once you start down that path, other rules can become victimized as well. I don't think that's where we want to go...

The fix it windows were definately intense for us this year. Luckily, due to severall machinist and CNCs working concurrently, we pulled it off.

Now to actually contribute; The rules that FIRST hands down are the rules. Complain on CD about them, or nitpickt he Q&A; but in the end, if FIRST doesn't change it, you just have to follow it. If it were to become standard practice for some teams to break some unpopular rules (that seem to have no rationale) that easily spread to rules that would have worse consequences if broken.

On the other hand, if the referees or field crew is insisting on a rule that is no place mentioned in ANY documentation, then go ahead and fight it. But even then, if the ref's are adament about it, you'll have to follow.

FIRST is unfair enough as it is; unfairly breaking rules because "no one" is watching will just make that worse.

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FIRST has to include a couple silly rules each year so the IRI can make fun of them and change them.

Re: The Honor Code of FIRST

I was first introduced to the honor code by CD. It was about 3 weeks into build season and I decided to see what it was. I was pretty amazed. I learned that FIRST is waay more than just a robotics competetion. No other activity that I have ever tried has an honor code like FIRST's.

-vivek

p.s. I am definetely going to have that talk with new members about the honor code.

Re: The Honor Code of FIRST

"Ethics" nuff said.... Look it up.